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In a defeat for organized labor, Volkswagen workers reject union

  • In one of the most closely watched union votes in the U.S. in decades, workers at the Volkswagen (VLKAY, VLKAF) plant in Chattanooga, Tenn., voted against joining the United Auto Workers union.
  • A win would have marked the first time the UAW had been able to organize a foreign-owned auto plant in the U.S., as well as a turnaround in sentiment in the traditionally anti-union South.
  • The UAW’s loss likely will hurt plans to organize other auto plants in the South; two other German-owned plants, Mercedes-Benz (DDAIF) in Alabama and BMW (BAMXY, BAMXF) in South Carolina, as well as a Nissan (NSANY, NSANF) plant in Mississippi, have been among its top targets.
  • The UAW enjoyed some unusual help - the cooperation of Volkswagen management and the aid of Germany's IG Metall union - yet it still lost; "If the union can't win [in Chattanooga], it can't win anywhere."
Comments (82)
  • Scrying Biotech
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    If they're happy with their current pay and working conditions, why should they vote to unionize? I've been a member of an effective union for over 23 years and would hope to remain so. That said, it doesn't work in every situation. And fear of management retaliation in our culture has little to do with it.

     

    I'd be skeptical of a similar outcome in any developing country, but those conditions usually require bloodshed prior to a legitimate vote.
    15 Feb, 12:53 AM Reply Like
  • Petrarch
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    fantastic news
    15 Feb, 02:15 AM Reply Like
  • june1234
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    Not the first time foreign made auto workers in this country have rejected the UAW . Why join. No need. German and Japanese carmakers union members enjoy high wages and good working conditions. But there's a BIG difference between the confrontational relationships US manufacturers and their unions have with one another vs ones a Nissan, Toyota or BMW maintain with theirs.No need to go down that road.
    15 Feb, 02:28 AM Reply Like
  • omarbradley
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    "the US South is open for business." Huge win for Republicans and of course the Republican Senator from Tennessee Bob Corker who got thrown under the bus by Nancy Pelosi and the UAW in 2008 when they "eliminated" Saturn and basically the entire GM workforce in that State. Now Detroit has gone bankrupt and Tesla is pressuring the entire industry to the brink of bankruptcy...yet again. "I'm sure there's a book deal in here somewhere" as well.

     

    The price collapse in the auto space inside the USA could be epic here...save for California which could quite easily see a massive increases in food prices in the coming days and weeks ahead. "and yes those transportation costs will shoot to the moon as well too." Here's your number one pick on "price gouging Cali": http://bit.ly/1j1TzW4 Morgan Stanley owns this company...the largest trucking company in the world...based out of Phoenix...and yes they just bought a huge refrigerated division as well. Stock is up 100 percent in year and I think "for all the wrong reasons."
    16 Feb, 02:23 PM Reply Like
  • MiserableOldFart
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    Assuming he doesn't get prosecuted for his illegal activity..
    24 Feb, 03:16 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    How was what Corker did, "Illegal?"
    24 Feb, 03:18 PM Reply Like
  • seterk
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    After being in Mailhandlers union at the Post Office for many years I can only say this is wonderful news. Why let the criminal and lazy element control the work environment while stealing dues? Management may not always be great but they at least pay you.
    15 Feb, 03:26 AM Reply Like
  • MiserableOldFart
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    You must work in a post office that is a lot different from the ones I worked in. Postal unions don't have the power to "control the work environment," nor do they "steal dues." Membership in postal unions is voluntary, and the most any union can expect to do is to hold "management" to the applicable contracts and laws. Why were you even in the union if you felt that way?
    24 Feb, 03:18 PM Reply Like
  • fuzzymc
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    Too bad, they could have been like Detroit .
    15 Feb, 03:49 AM Reply Like
  • NPDiver
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    That's absolutely right!!!
    Just like the workers in Detroit.

     

    Lazy and Overpaid !!!
    16 Feb, 10:59 AM Reply Like
  • SlimmyHendrix
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    only difference is that VW management is good and knows how to turn a profit without drilling their workers into slave labor.
    GM, FORD, and CHRYSLER all had poor management of their business'. Ford made a turnaround with building quality products and outsourcing its production outside the USA (unfortunately). Imagine that, they shut down the Ranger plant here in Minnesota, and wala, 2 years later they are building the same truck, same style, same size and engine, in CHINA!
    And of course its all blamed on the "union" causing high wages and pensions.
    Its called taking care of those loyal workers of 25 years.
    But unfortunately its all really caused by people like us, traders looking to make a buck off of a company posting profits, not the workers who put 25-40 years working at a plant building cars.
    16 Feb, 04:10 PM Reply Like
  • loudano
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    S/A

     

    People are paid to do a job. If they accept the pay they are not slaves. The company gets the work and the employee gets paid. No one owes the other anything. You believe that you are owed something because you provided good work for many years. However the company can make the same claim as they have been paying good money to you for many years. The truth hurts!
    16 Feb, 10:58 PM Reply Like
  • MiserableOldFart
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    Baloney. There are millions of wage slaves all over the world, and in the USA, "right to work" = Slavery 2.0.
    24 Feb, 03:20 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    Right to work does not prohibit Unions.

     

    It does prevent Rank & File from being slaves to Union Thugs however.
    24 Feb, 03:27 PM Reply Like
  • aaron rodgers
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    Interesting to read the Times article that blamed the Republicans rather than give the workers credit for making their own decisions. I am surprised that just did not blame Bush.
    15 Feb, 06:32 AM Reply Like
  • tomlos
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    A vote of common sense here. Good for them. Hopefully the acceleration of the end times for these unions, what a colossal waste of time.
    15 Feb, 06:41 AM Reply Like
  • Bret Jensen
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    Too bad we can see same trend in public employee unions who are bankrupting every city and state.
    15 Feb, 08:12 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    "Too bad we can see same trend in public employee unions who are bankrupting every city and state."

     

    Unfortunately, we all deal with it as taxpayers when they do that, unlike just the shareholders in companies like GM.
    16 Feb, 01:44 AM Reply Like
  • Alex T
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    Bret, you forgot to mention, robbing the taxpayer.
    16 Feb, 03:02 PM Reply Like
  • joe kelly
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    UAW is better off not organizing in right to work, or more accurately, right to scab states. Too many workers would not join union but union would still have requirements of negotiating and enforcing contracts for them. UAW would go broke.
    15 Feb, 06:45 AM Reply Like
  • Johann Galt
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    "Right to Scab". Yeah, people should be forced to join a union or be unable to find employment. Because if they don't want to join fundamentally left organizations they are "scabs". Sounds really American-great philosophy there, Lenin.
    15 Feb, 11:23 AM Reply Like
  • wyostocks
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    joe Kelly

     

    "right to scab states".

     

    Not wanting to join and pay a tax (you guys call it dues) makes them a scab?
    If that is so, would you punish anyone that doesn't want to join any other organization like say the democratic party? Why not just put them in forced labor camps.
    15 Feb, 11:51 AM Reply Like
  • joe kelly
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    If the scabs are not allowed the benefits of union membership they are not paying for then I would say fine with them. But they do and don't pay for them. That makes them freeloading scabs.

     

    I appreciate your left leanings by wanting people to enjoy benefits and wages that someone else is paying for Wyostocks.

     

    This one will be reported as offensive by you or one of the like minded, by that I mean close minded, so enjoy while you can fellas.
    15 Feb, 04:27 PM Reply Like
  • Timothy Bryan
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    If by benefits, you mean being useless and lazy, then i agree the non-union folks should not be part of your ideal....
    15 Feb, 06:18 PM Reply Like
  • Alex T
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    But Joe, here in San Antonio, Toyota is not unionized but I hear they have a great benefits. They have a doctor, dentist, and Walgreen's Pharmacy onsite. You can't ask for more.
    16 Feb, 03:07 PM Reply Like
  • TAS
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    About as daft a comment as I have read on this site.

     

    joe kelly must have had bad luck with a Southern Belle ;)
    16 Feb, 05:21 PM Reply Like
  • MiserableOldFart
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    Really? Useless and lazy? And you obviously know what you're talking about being a scab or scab sympathizer yourself.
    24 Feb, 03:21 PM Reply Like
  • MiserableOldFart
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    Maybe someday a company store, too, and get paid in scrip instead of dollars.. just like the good old days when guys with guns watched the miners..
    24 Feb, 03:22 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    Now the Union Thugs are the ones with the guns.

     

    Pointed at the heads of the economy, companies, and taxpayers.
    24 Feb, 03:29 PM Reply Like
  • Andre LaPlume
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    There was a time when unions were necessary in the U.S., but in general that day is long gone. Good to see.
    15 Feb, 07:55 AM Reply Like
  • gatlingg
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    perhaps if you were a single mom getting no child support from a deadbeat dad while working at McDonalds or Walmart you might wake up to a different reality.
    15 Feb, 08:03 AM Reply Like
  • Timothy Bryan
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    ?? unions help single mothers who have deadbeat dads of their children? I notice you didn't say husbands, which might require a bit of thought before engaging in the behavior that precedes children...
    15 Feb, 08:26 AM Reply Like
  • rvclark
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    ...yes, it really sucks when a person is forced to take responsibility for their own bad choices...it not there fault they "screwed their own futures," it's everybody else fault...i.e. George Bush, conservatives, TEA party, NRA, blah...blah...blah
    15 Feb, 10:58 AM Reply Like
  • TVRPAUL
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    Were talking apple and oranges, this was about an auto plant not the two places you mention
    15 Feb, 12:53 PM Reply Like
  • seterk
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    Perfect point. They were necessary once. Now they are scams. Run by criminals who use the union to protect themselves and steal money for not working.
    15 Feb, 08:10 PM Reply Like
  • aeroguy48
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    @ seterk you are describing congress to a TEA.
    16 Feb, 08:12 PM Reply Like
  • DUP
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    They made the correct choice, UAW is worthless, take employee money, then manage to put the factory out of business, they keep the money, and say, can't help ya. Bye. UAW managers in limos, using workers money to live large. It's as bad as criminal organizations...just with different slogans. Good job VW employees, now go produce great cars and more new stuff.
    15 Feb, 08:26 AM Reply Like
  • BlueCollarBlueDog
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    The shop voted...to stay open.
    15 Feb, 09:00 AM Reply Like
  • joe kelly
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    VWsupports unions. They would have stayed open anyway. The shame is America and unions will not be educated on how union and management can work together for a better product and workplace.
    15 Feb, 04:29 PM Reply Like
  • Timothy Bryan
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    no shame about it, the UAW is a waste and is increasingly irrelevant--as they should be
    15 Feb, 06:20 PM Reply Like
  • Mpac1
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    Let me make sure I understand this: Nissan, Toyota, Mercedes and BMW would improve their products under a shop going union?

     

    Looks like they've done ok on their own........
    16 Feb, 05:34 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    Joe,

     

    VW supports the Work Council style unions.

     

    Sadly our laws are to antiquated to permit such a system, where Management and labor can work together for the common good, vs the old fashioned way of an adversarial relationship.
    24 Feb, 05:08 PM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    If the relationship between management and labor were adversarial, you would have seen a 'yes' vote for a union. Perhaps the workers saw the union as their adversary.
    24 Feb, 07:53 PM Reply Like
  • jeff lauder
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    As a prior member of ALPA pilots union for over 25 I can say good for VW! Unions are corrupt and in the end will throw the employee under the bus like ALPA did at Comair.
    15 Feb, 09:12 AM Reply Like
  • Johann Galt
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    And at Trans States Airlines, and TWA, and . . .
    15 Feb, 11:25 AM Reply Like
  • seterk
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    ... the NPMHU at the Postal Service.
    15 Feb, 08:14 PM Reply Like
  • Alex T
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    Or just like Toyota told California a few years back resulting in their truck plant moving to San Antonio. By the way, don't believe California has any car manufacturing plants there anymore but could be wrong.
    16 Feb, 03:14 PM Reply Like
  • loudano
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    Alex T

     

    Wait until you see all the bankrupt cities in Khal E Four Nee A (Mainly due to their civil service unions).
    16 Feb, 10:39 PM Reply Like
  • SoldHigh
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    The NO vote toward unionization is a victory for the employees and for the USA. The UAW is past-due to follow the dinosaurs.

     

    Corrupt, politicized union leadership has encouraged worker indolence, which only hurts the company (see GM/Chrysler et al). These politically-driven union leaders back bad laws like Obamacare and then they ask for exemptions for it! Total hypocrites!
    15 Feb, 10:40 AM Reply Like
  • rambler1
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    Now we just need towns & cities to stop catering to these groups.
    15 Feb, 01:38 PM Reply Like
  • wyostocks
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    Jake

     

    Now that is funny. You guys spent two years trying to coerce them into the union tent and now that they rejected you, you resort to name calling and denigrating them.

     

    typical, so very typical.
    15 Feb, 05:09 PM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    Sure Jake, it worked out really well for the Hostess employees as well as most of the people living in the rubble of Detroit. The UAW bankrupted GM and US taxpayers just lost $12 billion on that 'deal'.
    15 Feb, 05:25 PM Reply Like
  • snowman23
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    Great news! I almost sold my position a couple times over the last couple weeks with this vote hanging over the stock, and my fear that the UAW was about to get their claws in the company. I didn't sell though and was then thinking I'd sell right away if they ended up winning. Right now though I'm feeling pretty good about having held on!
    15 Feb, 06:08 PM Reply Like
  • SlimmyHendrix
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    FYI every other VW plant in the world is union, VW sure seems to be doing just fine.
    16 Feb, 04:13 PM Reply Like
  • Hendershott
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    VW likes their German auto workers union. The works councils have been good for the company and the workforce, and they are mandated by German law. The Mexican plant has a works council which the company supports.
    15 Feb, 06:09 PM Reply Like
  • seterk
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    Because the union and the company share the same goals. Not the case in the US. These aren't real unions here, they are thieves, liars, criminals and sloths.
    15 Feb, 08:26 PM Reply Like
  • crorec
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    Union Reps are making Big dollars off of others work , they don't protect the workers interest only their own, Unions are dead in The USA and the vote at VW proves the point, is the union growing, I think not!
    17 Feb, 08:22 AM Reply Like
  • seterk
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    Jake read the comments-we understand the need for protecting employees, but the unions as they are today don't do that. You can see from the posts that they-and I- name specific unions. They all suffered in one way or another. They lived it, saw it, and were victims of it. Hardly right wing name calling IMO. I doubt their horror stories are worse than mine, but their opinions come out of their suffering, not their politics.
    15 Feb, 08:21 PM Reply Like
  • loudano
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    Seterk

     

    That's what happens when you try to make someone do what they do not want to do. It works for a while but payback is a bi-ch!
    16 Feb, 10:34 PM Reply Like
  • SoCalNative
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    Hostess employees = 0
    Twinkies = 1
    Win!
    16 Feb, 10:21 AM Reply Like
  • Hendershott
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    Yes, companies and unions can be mutually beneficial. The interests of management and the workforce aren't necessarily antagonistic.A viable workforce is in the company's best interest and a viable company is in the workforce's best interest.
    16 Feb, 11:01 AM Reply Like
  • RJKRJK
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    Chalk one up for those fighting the Thugocracy. And Hendershott give one of the best reasons why union are mostly unnecessary. If there is a mutual agreement between a workforce and its company, there is no need for an interloper( union).
    16 Feb, 12:03 PM Reply Like
  • Hendershott
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    RJK: Like I said, VW likes their German Autoworkers Union and the works councils. To VW, it's good for the company which is why the Mexican plant has a works council.
    18 Feb, 08:27 PM Reply Like
  • Alex T
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    Yea Jake, I've seen pictures of that dump of what once was called Detroit. Disgusting.
    16 Feb, 03:17 PM Reply Like
  • SlimmyHendrix
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    Unfortunately I've seen countless people loose their 20+year union jobs to "outsourcing". And in return the companies have given them a hand full of lint in exchange for the view of others stock portfolios increasing. Its sad really.
    16 Feb, 04:15 PM Reply Like
  • SoCalNative
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    Wow. That's quite a reach. Be honest. You don't know anyone like you described. WTF are you saying anyway???
    16 Feb, 06:43 PM Reply Like
  • seterk
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    The greedy postal unions actually have it in their contract that they can NOT be laid off.
    16 Feb, 11:29 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    Tennessee vs Detroit.

     

    Wise decision

     

    http://bit.ly/dF0pEa
    16 Feb, 06:44 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    Thank God!

     

    I was worried there for a bit

     

    http://bit.ly/13O0FTh
    16 Feb, 06:47 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    1980,

     

    Interesting clips. There are areas of Tennessee that resemble Detroit... Just look at a map that shows voting demographics to see where they are. Memphis proper is not far from looking like that.
    16 Feb, 07:04 PM Reply Like
  • bukdow
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    I am on the salary side of a UAW manufacturing facility. I can honestly say that probably 50% of the workers are solid and dependable, the other half should be in prison. In fact, the 50% that are good workers despise the lazy, incompetent and insufferable 50%. They call them "anchors". The bigger problem is who the union is recruiting now. I will try and put this delicately - the majority of new(er) union members are low-class whites and blacks. The low-class whites have zero skill and are lazy while the blacks come in with an entitlement mentality along with zero skills and zero work ethic. Both perfectly dove-tail with the victim/socialist union rhetoric.

     

    As one of the older members who is a solid dependable worker told, "If there aren't the lazy good-for-nothings, the union isn't needed." The union needs the malcontents as much as the malcontents need the union.
    16 Feb, 08:56 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    My first job as a teen was at a unionized grocery store, and you're right, it made it impossible to fire the dead weight. Wages and bennies still sucked, but you could be useless and not worry about reprimand. Other than that, the union didn't help out other than lightening your wallet every payday. Place went out of biz a long time ago. (Well before Walmart came to town if anyone was wondering)
    16 Feb, 09:11 PM Reply Like
  • loudano
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    Comments (353) | Send Message
     
    Bukdow

     

    Sounds a lot like communism or Obamcare.
    16 Feb, 10:30 PM Reply Like
  • seterk
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    Comments (223) | Send Message
     
    You just described the Postal Service.
    16 Feb, 11:31 PM Reply Like
  • loudano
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    Great news. I was always paid what I was worth and not what some thug got me through intimidating my employer. Hence we all profited and I can look at myself in the mirror and not feel ashamed.
    16 Feb, 10:27 PM Reply Like
  • sethmcs
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    Small victory. A national right to work law would be much better. Eliminate NLRB. Government has no business interfering in labor relations.
    17 Feb, 12:16 AM Reply Like
  • fanebrp
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    The Soviet Union is good, so why not have a Union like that?
    17 Feb, 12:49 AM Reply Like
  • seterk
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    The unions started in Communist countries so...
    17 Feb, 10:03 PM Reply Like
  • fanebrp
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    Why work anyway... If you can watch ads on TV, eat, drink and get paid for it? It's the BO way.
    17 Feb, 12:54 AM Reply Like
  • ellaruth
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    Why didn't the UAW simply try to buy out GM instead of the taxpayers. The UAW and there excellent wealth creating formula's could certainly have turned GM around and even paid the workers more. It was just their virtue of not being greedy that caused them to forego taking GM over. Its was far better to provide fast food workers, non union industrial workers, day care workers, bank tellers, and retail sales persons with the privilege of paying taxes in order for UAW members to retain their upper middle class wages and benefits.
    Why don't more unions strive to own the companies, because they would go either go bankrupt or hardly earn earn a profit.
    17 Feb, 06:04 AM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    "Why didn't the UAW simply try to buy out GM instead of the taxpayers"

     

    That's easy to answer; they wanted their cake and to eat it too. We (those of us who pay taxes) are on the hook for $12 billion thanks to the wonderful benefits GM employees have.
    17 Feb, 06:55 AM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    The UAW would not want to, nor could, own GM

     

    Then they would be setting themselves up to actually have to go F*#K themselves.
    17 Feb, 08:26 AM Reply Like
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