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Illinois considers penny-per-ounce soda tax

  • The Illinois Senate is considering a tax of one penny per ounce on soda drinks sold in sealed containers.
  • Proponents of the measure claim the state will save money on health care costs on top of the added tax revenue, while opponents say it will cost the state jobs.
  • Illinois Senate Bill 3524
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  • LYogi
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    they should double it to 2 cents. and 4 next year.
    18 Feb, 12:39 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    I think texting should be taxed a penny per text, then 2 cents the following year and 4 cents per year after that...
    There, you don't like sodas and I don't like texting.
    18 Feb, 01:14 PM Reply Like
  • Drew Robertson
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    It's called pop in IL.
    18 Feb, 01:15 PM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    I think they should tax bicycles. All those bike lanes and bike paths cost taxpayers fortunes to build and maintain. Why should I subsidize bicycles? Pretty soon the loons will want to tax drive-up windows at McD's and Starbucks! Sheesh!!!
    18 Feb, 01:23 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    big difference between soda and texting - one hasn't been proven to destroy your health.

     

    Maybe with the cockamany health system in the U.S. you don't care because it is privatized but up here in the Great White North, why should society subsidize people who recklessly and systematically destroy their health in the form of increased health care costs?

     

    Hey, even down there your insurance premiums would likely drop!
    18 Feb, 01:33 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    "big difference between soda and texting - one hasn't been proven to destroy your health."

     

    Texting while driving can definitely destroy your health and the health of others depending on where it is done.
    18 Feb, 01:55 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    quite true and that is why most everywhere there is a stiff 'tax' in the form of a penalty for being caught texting and driving!
    18 Feb, 01:58 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    Tell that to the people killed by texting drivers....
    18 Feb, 02:22 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    But that doesn't deter them from texting while driving.
    18 Feb, 02:26 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    if the penalty was high enough it would.
    18 Feb, 02:47 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    If the death penalty doesn't stop people from killing, how much more extreme can you get?
    18 Feb, 03:10 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    how can you say that the death penalty doesn't deter more people from killing?

     

    what if there were no penalty for killing, would there be more murders??
    18 Feb, 03:36 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    Certainly did not stop all murders.
    18 Feb, 04:32 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    and if a tax on soda stops thousands of children from developing obesity but not all it would be waste?
    18 Feb, 04:40 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    Soda is just one factor in obesity. If that were not the case, then just make sugar illegal.

     

    Could well be a waste. lets say the "sugar tax" takes in $50B in taxes, if the amount "saved" from preventing obesity is $45B, then it is a waste overall of $5B. If amount "saved" is $55B, then it would be a net positive of $5B.
    18 Feb, 04:50 PM Reply Like
  • The Rebel
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    "...one hasn't been proven to destroy your health."

     

    Give it time, my friend. Sitting on your butt texting for hours leads to a less active lifestyle. It has been proven that it is better to stand when you can accomplish what you would otherwise by sitting. So I trust you are texting while standing up.
    18 Feb, 10:32 PM Reply Like
  • aheck320
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    @LYogi so hard working 'mericans need to pay more to enjoy an ice cold refreshing beverage after a long day's work because a few sillies can't figure out the concept of self control...

     

    also, increasing taxes while eliminating jobs. Whoever thought of this tax clearly took the same econ 101 class as o'BAMA
    19 Feb, 01:08 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    if only it were that easy, the issue with sugar is how addictive it is.

     

    and how damaging.
    19 Feb, 09:24 AM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
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    the penalty for murder is incarceration for the rest of your life, and doesn't seem to have much effect on the murder rate (especially in places like Chicago...a liberal bastion with strict gun control laws).
    20 Feb, 12:52 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    you can't say it doesn't have much effect until you could compare it to a society with no penalty for the crime.
    20 Feb, 02:55 PM Reply Like
  • Noquiche
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    They should eliminate the income tax then...it must keep people from working..
    22 Feb, 11:01 AM Reply Like
  • Noquiche
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    Exercise leads to injuries...it should be eliminated or taxed..
    22 Feb, 11:05 AM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    Our government tries to impose taxes on everything in the name of 'protecting us'. I have no issue paying taxes on needed items and services but government spending on virtually all levels is completely out of control and they will tax anything that moves to fill the coffers.

     

    If all levels of government shut down today and incurred no further debt ever again, US citizens would still be on the hook for $200 trillion. The government(s) could confiscate 100% of the gross income from ALL citizens (including the 47% who now skate) and ALL US companies for the next 25 years and they could still not pay off our debt. The response by Republicans? Tap the brakes. The response by Democrats? Throttle up.

     

    What will it take for the majority of Americans to realize we're already broke? Government is the problem, not the solution.
    22 Feb, 11:30 AM Reply Like
  • deercreekvols
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    When did Governor Bloomberg take over?
    18 Feb, 12:40 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    The Governors name is Kommon Cents, Jr.
    18 Feb, 12:42 PM Reply Like
  • frosty
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    Like the gas tax. Maybe they should also consider a penny per pound tax on red meat. And a penny per gram for sugar , ...
    18 Feb, 12:43 PM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
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    Illinois continues to prove that they are business unfriendly. I wonder why they have such large fiscal problems. The state continues to raise tax rates on everything (including a 50% increase in personal income tax rates) and yet they continue to have significant fiscal problems. And businesses continue to leave the state. I wonder if the tax-loving Democrats will ever learn.
    18 Feb, 12:56 PM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    Illinois is doing so well we should elect somebody from Illinois to lead our country. That should work out just fine...
    18 Feb, 01:05 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    Yeah, that's the ticket!
    /sarc
    18 Feb, 01:09 PM Reply Like
  • Drew Robertson
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    The ticker most affected by this law wd be ADM. Which is HQ'd in Decatur. So sadly I don't think this bill flies.
    18 Feb, 01:00 PM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    It’s unfortunate they can’t impose a tax on government stupidity; they could eliminate all other forms of tax collection.
    18 Feb, 01:04 PM Reply Like
  • Drew Robertson
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    Who says the government has a monopoly on stupidity? Anyway the bond market does a pretty good job of penalizing stupid governments. The stock market serves that purpose for the rest of us.
    18 Feb, 01:08 PM Reply Like
  • oscar13
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    Retards in the state gov.
    18 Feb, 01:24 PM Reply Like
  • jrsr4541
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    Just another way governments is making citizens pay because they don't know how to manage money. Then they claim it's for health reasons, but that is a lie. Why don't they just tax every item that has sugar in it then and food chemicals, don't be a hypocrite. it's easy to attack soda, but Kool Aid has just as much sugar and what about chocolate chip cookies? Ice Cream? The list could go on and on. Bunch of liars!
    18 Feb, 01:40 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    agreed, government should tax sugar items and one day it will
    18 Feb, 01:44 PM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    How about eliminating anything with red meat or sugar being OK for purchase with Food Stamps? When they do that, they are serious.
    18 Feb, 03:01 PM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    With all US governments combined facing $200 trillion in debt and their foot still on the accelerator, they are eventually going to have to tax the air we breathe. Everyone knows they will never rein in spending.

     

    Is anyone else beside me thinking of exiting stage left?
    18 Feb, 04:12 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    Exiting to just where, if I may ask?
    18 Feb, 04:33 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    Canada is a nice place, but a bit too cold :)
    18 Feb, 04:40 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    Global warming will take care of that...
    18 Feb, 04:51 PM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    I’m starting to look at countries where their debt isn’t at insane levels; they’re somewhat hard to find. I’d love to move to Brazil, permanently, but their taxes on capital gains are worse than the US.

     

    It’s hard to say how much longer they can keep the charade going, but it has to collapse at some point.
    18 Feb, 05:02 PM Reply Like
  • The Rebel
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    LYogi- And one day it may tax everything that you enjoy. Be careful what you wish for.
    18 Feb, 10:37 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    if there is scientific evidence that the 'enjoyable' things are clearly damaging to health and ergo create costs for society to care for this damage then tax it to high hell as far as I'm concerned!!
    19 Feb, 09:26 AM Reply Like
  • Noquiche
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    They should tax breathing...every breath leads to death
    22 Feb, 11:12 AM Reply Like
  • Noquiche
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    We should tax poverty then...
    22 Feb, 11:15 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    breathing and poverty are not choices.

     

    drinking sugar water that is going to hasten your demise and burden society is.
    22 Feb, 11:40 AM Reply Like
  • Richard0623
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    Rest assured, anything government can do to raise revenues, they will. It's always easier to increases taxes than do the responsible thing and cut back government or improve/reduce the budget.
    18 Feb, 01:44 PM Reply Like
  • rheimerl
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    glad i moved out of the state!..property taxes and state tax just kill you..with no end in sight!!
    18 Feb, 02:12 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    or they might keep you alive by providing more means to keep the streets safe and your health intact ;)
    18 Feb, 02:18 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    "or they might keep you alive by providing more means to keep the streets safe and your health intact ;)"

     

    Streets safe? Have you even been to Chicago?
    18 Feb, 02:27 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    Ever looked at the homicide stats of say....Chicago??? Certainly keeping the peep there safe.
    18 Feb, 02:28 PM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
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    No, Chicago is the safest place in the U.S. They have the strictest gun laws, so it has to be the safest place!
    18 Feb, 02:33 PM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
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    I lived in Illinois many years, but have since moved. It has basically become a one-party state, just like the northeast and west coast states. And obviously, just like those liberal coastal states states, they prove time and time again that the state governments have no management skills, and are business unfriendly. I feel sorry for the "downstate" Illinois citizens, that are forced to pay for the follies of Chicago.
    18 Feb, 02:38 PM Reply Like
  • The Rebel
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    "or they might keep you alive by providing more means to keep the streets safe and your health intact ;) "

     

    Is this a joke?
    18 Feb, 10:39 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    well if you want a government that has no tax base you can go back in time to the Wild West and see how you fare....
    19 Feb, 09:26 AM Reply Like
  • Dividend Garden
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    A penny per ounce is steep. If you buy a 12-ounce can of soda for $0.50, then the 12 cent tax is a 24% tax rate...That's crazy. If you buy a 44-ouncer at the local gas station for a buck, then it's a 44% tax rate.
    18 Feb, 03:41 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Probably not that far off from tobacco in terms of tax level.
    18 Feb, 03:47 PM Reply Like
  • Drew Robertson
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    $.50 can of pop? Where do you live? 1985?
    18 Feb, 03:51 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    The Safeway by my house sells soda in the can out of a machine for $.50, Glendale, Az, 2014.
    18 Feb, 04:34 PM Reply Like
  • tomlos
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    I'm ashamed of my state every time something comes up in the news..
    18 Feb, 04:05 PM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    Me too. I reside, unfortunately, in the State of Calyfornia.
    18 Feb, 04:11 PM Reply Like
  • starcorral
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    I think they should tax everything liberals think isn't good for us. If we could raise $2,000 per family per year we'd all be lean and rich because poor folks really know how to spend mony.
    18 Feb, 09:58 PM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    starcorral, that sounds like trickle-up poverty to me. It would be much easier to tax cable TV and make people buy real food with food stamps. (not steak, potato chips and soda pop & twinkies.
    18 Feb, 10:24 PM Reply Like
  • Uain53
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    The obeisty thing dates back to the late 1980s or so when the US Government cooked up the ridiculous Food Pyramid. Turning nutrition science on its head, they stipulated that Carbohydrates should form the base of the pyramid.

     

    This then was propagated into school lunch programs and and food give out to the poor. The natural result is that high carbohydrate intake (especially simple carbs like refined grain products) result in diabetes and obeisity.

     

    the whole sugar thing is to divert attention from the malfeasance and (yet again) demonstrated inability of government to solve anything.
    19 Feb, 12:32 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    so now that the government wants to correct that mistake we should rise and bear arms against it?

     

    makes no sense
    19 Feb, 09:28 AM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    Yogi, no the gov't wants to tell us they did the best job they could and that they tried really, really hard. And the sheeple should just let the gov't continue to do whatever they want, whenever they want. Hillary took the phone call in the middle of the night, four Americans in Bengazi are dead now. Obama says that if you like your doctors and your health plan, you can keep them. Bush says that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. They all lied.

     

    What we should do is never, ever trust ANY of them! Vote against the ones that want to actually do anything. Government IS the problem.
    20 Feb, 12:24 AM Reply Like
  • dcarlsen
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    Illinois residents already come over to Missouri to buy gas and cigarettes. Now they will stock up on soda too. Smuggling in Pepsi will be a new black market.
    19 Feb, 01:15 AM Reply Like
  • BlueSeas
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    Who what's to bet this is simply a money grab, with the proceeds going in to the general fund. From there the money will go to any number of brother-in-laws of the government officials, welfare cheats and let's not forget some other corporate tax loop-hole.
    Call be the cynic, but I've seen this story play out too many times to believe this one.
    19 Feb, 03:01 PM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
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    I agree! Democrats are never about what is good for the people. It's all about what's good for them. And in this case, more money in the state coffers, mean more money to buy votes with. It's the Chicago way!
    19 Feb, 03:08 PM Reply Like
  • BlueSeas
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    rvshaw: I'd agree as far as you go but really it goes well beyond the Dems and Chicago all the was to RINO's and Dems in DC.
    19 Feb, 03:31 PM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
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    That's why I'm a supporter of the Tea Party. The only party that has the long-term interests of this country at the heart of what they stand for.
    19 Feb, 03:37 PM Reply Like
  • BlueSeas
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    I'd be a tea party fan too, IF they would jettison that religious(mythical magical unicorn) nonsense.
    So it's LP for me:)
    20 Feb, 01:00 PM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    BlueSeas, you won't have to worry about the mythical magical unicorn stuff from the Progressive Obama crowd. They hate all forms of worship except of course worship of the State. The secular states of Cuba and USSR were great places to live I'm sure. I don't care what anyone else worships but states that are populated by people that worship themselves, money or the state itself have lousy societies to live in. Would you prefer to live in downtown Chicago or downtown Salt Lake City?
    20 Feb, 07:45 PM Reply Like
  • BlueSeas
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    areailguy: Your not following. Please reread my comments. Fiscal conservative plus personal liberty DOES NOT EQUAL Totalitarian Dictatorship! I fully support the Establishment Clause, look it up. You have the right to believe in any myth you what just keep out of our government.

     

    I suppose by your logic you must think Teheran or Islamabad are nifty places too.
    21 Feb, 07:50 AM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    Just how do Tea Party individuals want to impose mythical magical unicorns on anybody in any circumstances? I have been to many Tea party gatherings locally and the ONLY thing that is EVER talked about is getting government OUT of peoples lives. I am a registered Libertarian for what its worth. The establishment clause is just fine but when it is twisted to outlaw pagan celebrations in the town square, that is a bit silly. What ever happened to free speech?
    21 Feb, 10:15 AM Reply Like
  • Noquiche
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    I fail to see a religious component in the TP platform....http://bit.ly/11qLL7f
    22 Feb, 11:39 AM Reply Like
  • Uain53
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    Time to come back to earth Yogi,

     

    The fact is that the refined carbs as the bulk of caloric intake, with sedentary lifestyle is the cause of obeisity. Tilting at soda windmills is not addressing the issue.

     

    Oh well, it's the gub'mint, so they don't do solutions so well.
    19 Feb, 11:44 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    It's more than that....refined carbs as primary energy source is indeed problematic but when you load everything up with sugar and refined corn syrup, etc. for many people it becomes an irresistible urge to keep bumping up their insulin levels and they become helpless.

     

    We should protect those people and also draw awareness to the public at large of the dangers of consuming these sugars.
    20 Feb, 07:47 AM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    Yogi, who do I turn to in order to get protection from the people who are trying to protect me?

     

    The last thing I need is ‘protection’ from a government that cannot conduct its own affairs in an appropriate manner.
    20 Feb, 08:02 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    I'm not discounting that the US gov't has its issues but when an idea such as a tax on sugar arises, the gov't is finally doing something right!

     

    How is it any different than taxing tobacco or alcohol?

     

    Both are substances that are known to damage health and create massive health care costs.
    20 Feb, 08:18 AM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    Then outlaw the products from the market entirely; don't try to tell me a tax will protect me, that's ludicrous.

     

    Our government doesn't 'have issues'; it is entirely out of control.
    20 Feb, 08:27 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    I would have zero problem with an outright ban on high fructose corn syrup and the like.

     

    Until then....tax the life out of it so that people second guess their decisions or at least pre-pay for their impending health breakdown.
    20 Feb, 08:47 AM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
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    Spoken like a true liberal. "I have no problem with taking freedoms away from the citizenry. Because Big Gov knows best". Even though Big Gov has NEVER solved a single problem in the 200+ year history. The only department of government that is good at what it does is the military. And liberals hate that department. They love all the other departments and want to grow those departments, even though those departments don't have a single accomplishment to boast of. Unless you include wasting taxpayer dollars and employing people that are otherwise unemployable as accomplishments.
    20 Feb, 08:53 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    actually it is science, not gov't that knows best and you spoke like a true conservative ;)
    20 Feb, 08:58 AM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    lyogi, your acceptance of "science" is amazing. Are you familiar with the history of eugenics? The modern progressive movement can trace its roots directly back to the science of eugenics. I equate "global warming" or global climate change to the eugenics movement of the early 1900's. Science is great until some politician tells me that I must drive a golf cart and I can't indulge and have a 2500 calorie meal once in a while. BTW, I don't use GMO's, white sugar, white flour or white rice or eat white bread. In America today we have the Freedom to make intelligent decisions or dumb decisions. I place an extremely high value on my personal freedom. People have died so that I can live the way I want to. If you do not value this freedom, there are other places on earth that you can live without these freedoms. Please leave my freedom alone.
    20 Feb, 10:38 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    you, like they, are free to consumer the sugar, you are just going to help subsidize the costs to society for doing so.

     

    this isn't rocket-science and why people get so up in arms over something that makes total sense is beyond me..

     

    why do you feel so threatened that the gov't wants to impose a sugar tax? makes complete sense to me.
    20 Feb, 11:11 AM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    Yogi, so you’re saying we should allow the same idiots who have amassed over $200 trillion in debt to have more control over us? No brainer; I’ll pass.
    20 Feb, 11:53 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    I'm not trying to justify the recklessness and mis-management of the past but I do see this soda tax as a step in the right direction.

     

    (and to help reduce that crazy amount of debt!!)
    20 Feb, 11:55 AM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    Not one penny of any tax will ever go to reduce any debt. Politicians are like heroin addicts, living for their next fix. Only politicians live to take your money and spend it on wasteful projects that either buy votes or put money into their personal accounts.

     

    The only way you can help a heroin addict is to force them to go cold turkey, same as our political leaders.
    20 Feb, 12:05 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    well then we can take solace in that it may save some lives....
    20 Feb, 12:08 PM Reply Like
  • aretailguy
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    Have any sin taxes ever saved any lives? All you are doing is feeding the heroin addict (politicians) habit. Wake up man...
    20 Feb, 12:25 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    to answer that we would need to see the statistics connecting level of taxation with level of use...is there a correlation?

     

    stands to reason that there would be.
    20 Feb, 12:31 PM Reply Like
  • Noquiche
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    it will save zero lives....everyone dies.
    22 Feb, 12:02 PM Reply Like
  • Rope a Dope
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    Yogi, write to your Congressman and ask him to spend money to do a study. If the can find the money to study cow farts, they can find the money for anything.
    22 Feb, 12:12 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    I live in Canada and we are doing just fine with our more socialist approach to taxation and health care.
    22 Feb, 12:47 PM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
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    Canadians love their oil as they live off taxation on hydro-carbons while living their socialist life and sneering at all things conservative. Hypocrisy!
    23 Feb, 08:11 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
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    not true,

     

    we tax cigarettes and alcohol and gasoline a LOT more than you free-wheeling yankees who still think they are living in the Wild West. (or ought to be)
    23 Feb, 09:13 AM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
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    Yup, the same group of incompetents without any accomplishments to their credit. To liberals, government is the answer to all problems. Even though the track record of government is one of failure in every endeavor it has ever taken. When do liberals ever deal with facts? Socialism and big government has never succeeded. Yet liberals want to give more power to government. I'm sorry, but I deal in the real world, and cannot understand that logic. And every time I make this arguement, I've never had a liberal point to an accomplishment of government. Because there aren't any.
    20 Feb, 11:57 AM Reply Like
  • LYogi
    , contributor
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    the cars you drive, the roads you drive on, the medicine you take, etc

     

    are all regulated by government

     

    without which all hell would break loose.
    20 Feb, 12:03 PM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
    , contributor
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    If you mean the cost of my car is higher because of government, then I agree. If you mean the cost of a mile of road is higher because of government regulation and intervention, then I agree. If you are trying to say these things are better and more cost effective because of government, then I disagree. There is not a single thing that the government does that private industry cannot to better and more cost effectively. Liberals cannot win this arguement, because conservatives can point to thousands of examples everyday of government ineffectiveness and inefficiency. Again, that would be the real world. Liberals' utopia does not and never will exist.
    20 Feb, 12:21 PM Reply Like
  • LYogi
    , contributor
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    riiiiight....you sound like a banker trying to fend off regulations and safeguards and we all know how that went in 2008.
    20 Feb, 12:34 PM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
    , contributor
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    Not a banker. Just a hard-working conservative that understands how economics and the laws of cause/effect work.

     

    LIberals always forget the housing mortgage fiasco is the fault of Democrats who pushed lowering mortgage standards, so their constituency could afford a house. Congress was shamed into doing so (because if they didn't, they would be labeled as racists), and voila! So, with mortgages created so the Democrat constituency could afford the home (baloon payments, interest only mortgages, etc) it created an overheated housing market, with people getting loans that they could not afford. And if banks didn't go along, they would be charged with "red-lining" violations. Again another Democrat initiativge. Anyone with basic understanding of economics can understand the cause/effect of this great maneuver. I think you can lay the blame of that at Rangle and Jackson & Company's doorstep.
    20 Feb, 12:50 PM Reply Like
  • rvshaw
    , contributor
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    If you think big government is good, you'll love the REAL state of the union here.

     

    http://bit.ly/1dSfQVD
    20 Feb, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • starcorral
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    Illinois represents the lowest ideals in this country. I am absolutely sertain that sugary soft drinks are bad for people; in fact taxing sugary drinks might not be a bad idea since the state will likely bear a signifact part of health consequences. The problem is that Illinois has no Republican leadership; Democrats primary focus has always been taking in more money and encroaching on rights.

     

    If I lived in Illinois exactly the same way I live in Oklahoma, I'd be in prison for life just by virtue of the differences in the law. California and Illinois are examples of the absolute worst consequences of our form of government; I would be ashamed to live in either. Both states teach us that our long held values are wrong.
    21 Feb, 11:02 AM Reply Like
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