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Boeing designs self-destructing smartphone

  • Boeing (BA) has unveiled an Android-based secure smartphone for defense and security customers that, in shades of "Mission Impossible," will effectively self-destruct if anybody tries to tamper with it - attempts to open the casing will result in the deletion of all data and will make the device inoperable.
  • The Boeing Black will presumably compete with BlackBerry (BBRY), which is the leader in the market for high-security mobile devices.
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  • seekingthetrooth
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    Boeing has initiated Ghost Protocol.
    27 Feb, 05:07 AM Reply Like
  • Arduino_RaspberryPi
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    Meanwhile, in the real world.
    27 Feb, 05:12 AM Reply Like
  • garryville
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    Also the market is very limited, they would have to continue developing new security and no where to market it, very important to raise money for research. Wont take long to put the US into bankruptcy. Does anyone really think there's enough cabbage to create their own phone system, it will have to be monetized to pay for it. If its not hacked before that occurs. Good luck if they can keep it secure and not break the bank at the same time.

     

    The way the competition is in the smart/cell phone market, do you really think a new player is going to walk in and create a proprietary phone and beat the experience of the players already in place.

     

    If this was to happen it would be a collaboration of all smart phone players and government to create the security, then it would be set as a standard controlled by the government, they would create a new agency, hire a whack of security personal to research and monitor themselves. WAY TO MUCH MONEY TO DO AND ANY BUSINESS WOULD GO BANKRUPT IN NO TIME.
    27 Feb, 08:42 AM Reply Like
  • 10553331
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    What a great idea! Now they have a use for all those Dreamliner batteries. Certainly the planes don't want them.
    27 Feb, 04:25 PM Reply Like
  • Mr. Knowitall
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    garry,

     

    funny how you thought BlackBerry should put satellite capabilities in a BlackBerry, yet here you fail to even acknowledge it amongst all your dismissals.

     

    "why don't the put the satellite chip in a cell phone, say the Blackeberry and you don't have to buy separate device to run there service, it would also make the cell phone the new toy we all would want. possible run there own internet service from the sat radio service." http://seekingalpha.co...

     

    High Security Android powered phone; Encrypted Calls, Biometrics, Satelite, Tamper Proof http://tinyurl.com/pbj...

     

    Seems it will pose a real problem for BlackBerry in exactly the markets it's going after. All they need to do now is announce that it has secure messaging (not BBM) and $BBRY drops 30%.
    28 Feb, 11:20 AM Reply Like
  • RHMASSING
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    May be Boeing should put its resources to ensure the battery on the planes is stable enough to instill confidence for passengers on its Dreamliners!
    27 Feb, 05:16 AM Reply Like
  • perryy
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    Android? It will surely fail on security. Boah! It will go. It won't see the light if day. U don't need to open it to harm it, just do it remotely and all is doom. BlackBerry still rule on security
    27 Feb, 05:18 AM Reply Like
  • David653
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    Samsung claims that the knox using advanced technologies that Blackberry simply cannot afford to develop
    27 Feb, 04:03 PM Reply Like
  • shubarua1
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    "samsung claims that the knox using technologies.....BB can not afford to develope"

     

    Ben-Gurion University researcher has found KNOX technology " that BB can not afford to develope" has security vulnerability of Catagory One. The security system that BB has built after many years of research, Samsung is trying to build similar security system in a year by picking up talents in the mobile security realm (mostly x BB-employee) on the fly.
    27 Feb, 10:36 PM Reply Like
  • seekingthetrooth
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    David653 - just to get you back on the learning curve since you seem to have fallen behind on the Enterprise security front, here's a link on the failure of Samsung Knox.

     

    http://bit.ly/1mKdVVj

     

    Enjoy reading.
    27 Feb, 11:00 PM Reply Like
  • David Jackson
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    If you click on the grey comment link below a commenter's name, you can see their prior comments and which stocks they've commented on. The list of tickers at the top of the page allows you to filter the person's comments by specific stocks.

     

    You'll notice that some of the people in this discussion only comment on Blackberry, and their comments are consistently positive. For example, perryy has only ever commented on Blackberry.

     

    What should one make of that?
    28 Feb, 02:11 AM Reply Like
  • Loophole69
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    Good point David. I also click on their names to see what they have for a bio. and in the bio their education, experience and job. Sometimes I have to take with a grain of salt someone who is in their early 20's and perhaps still in college. While I appauld them for researching, writing the article and trying, I also consider the relative lack of life experiences.

     

    In your case above, yes only Blackberry. hmmm........one trick pony?
    28 Feb, 05:29 AM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    Maybe he's trying to balance those who seem to exist only to trash BBRY?
    28 Feb, 10:07 AM Reply Like
  • Mr. Knowitall
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    David, there has been a brand new development on the KNOX front, and it's powerful. (February 24, 2014 02:01 PM Eastern Standard Time)

     

    Trustonic and Samsung KNOX Announce Partnership to Enable the Next Generation of High Trust, High Value Services
    http://tinyurl.com/kvj...

     

    KNOX is back in a big way.

     

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    --- from the article
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    LONDON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Trustonic, the leading provider of Trusted Execution Environments (TEEs) for smart devices, today announced a partnership with Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd, a leader in mobile technology and digital solutions. As a result of this partnership, Samsung smartphones and tablets will now deliver a secure, trusted platform upon which service providers can innovate to deliver an enriched, simplified and consistent user experience.

     

    “The Trustonic developer ecosystem has grown ten-fold since launching six months ago and we now have partners building trust-enhanced services across enterprise, content, commerce and identity verticals.”

     

    At the heart of this partnership is Samsung KNOX, Samsung’s end-to-end secure enterprise mobility solution designed to provide advanced data and privacy protection for both enterprises and consumers. The Trustonic TEE adds a hardware-isolated foundation to KNOX in order to secure the platform and the services running within it. The KNOX App Developer Eco-system will now be able to utilize best-in-class hardware-backed security features made accessible through the Trustonic ‹t™-base TEE.
    28 Feb, 11:24 AM Reply Like
  • Mr. Knowitall
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    gwynfryn,

     

    Or some of us recognize this new secure phone as a threat to BlackBerry's business; while many of the BlackBerry cheerleaders simply put their fingers in their ears and dismiss any and all such security advances.

     

    I believe if many of the BB cheerleaders here weren't so closed minded, then we shorts and longs could discuss the *real* implications of this announcement instead of lobbing one-liners at one another.

     

    For instance, I'm happy to discuss the tech here and how it could have a negative impact on BlackBerry's business model, but longs rarely if ever engage in such discussions. (with a few exceptions, LTnnn, Cliff, etc.)

     

    This is not good news for BlackBerry and longs would be well advised to take this opportunity to understand the implications of this new phone by Boing, new KNOX advances, and Intel's Hardened Android.
    28 Feb, 11:36 AM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    I've never denied there are plenty of very capable phones out there, Mr. K, but it remains a fact that there is an inherent security advantage in an embedded system, in terms of demand on processor and memory, compared to any software play.
    1 Mar, 08:36 AM Reply Like
  • Mr. Knowitall
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    gwynfryn,

     

    You seem to be suggesting something here; maybe that BB10 is "an embedded system" and this is more efficient?

     

    What exactly are you claiming in regard to BB10?

     

    For instance; KNOX is based on TrustZone (hardware) and the new BlackPhone by Boeing has at least the following hardware: Hardware Root of Trust, Hardware Crypto Engine, Embedded Secure Components, Trusted Platform Modules, Hardware Modularity

     

    What is your are claiming about BB10 in this regard?
    1 Mar, 05:04 PM Reply Like
  • Flog
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    Great Boeing! That is what customers want to hear. Self destructing phones! Wake up! Stick to making planes, with batteries that work and leave the technology of phones to BBRY. BBRY is SECURITY! Android is NOT security! Stop going CHEAP and have the best in BBRY!!!
    27 Feb, 05:21 AM Reply Like
  • David653
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    yes at one time BB was top in security, but that was then this is now.
    27 Feb, 04:05 PM Reply Like
  • stevef1086
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    @David - it still is today, what is your point exactly? Every comment you have left on here thus far seems to be sheer signs of incompetency.
    27 Feb, 05:00 PM Reply Like
  • joeycard
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    This is the cold war phone ! Today hacking a phone are from hacking the network. I can picture this phone as a military in dangerous SEAL operations phone. But I hope the MDM is given to BlackBerry. Today they hack a network , video tape your conversation. That's why bigger the phone easier to zoom into your phone.
    27 Feb, 05:39 AM Reply Like
  • shubarua1
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    This story of super secret phone from Boeing reminds me one of our well known SA commenter Mr. Knowitall (no offence) who used to tell us about those top secret phones which cost thousands of dollar. This top secret phone of Boeing will be run ironically by Anroid OS which US Govt. claims vulnerable to security threat (79% of malware affect Andoid). What a combination and Good luck to Boeing.
    27 Feb, 11:11 PM Reply Like
  • Kurt Windibank
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    I don't think with all of the NSA privacy issues that anyone outside the US is looking for a phone made by an American Military contractor.
    27 Feb, 05:41 AM Reply Like
  • seekingthetrooth
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    Boeing target market is US defense and communities that value high level security modularity and reliability. I think the secure communication is over the military and intelligence network. That's why the self destruct feature.

     

    This is not supposed to be posted in the BBRY section.

     

    Personally Boeing has initiated Ghost Protocol.
    27 Feb, 06:11 AM Reply Like
  • David653
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    it now seems more and more evident that the US DOD is NOT going with Blackberry.
    27 Feb, 04:06 PM Reply Like
  • seekingthetrooth
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    If it makes you happy, I agree.
    27 Feb, 11:02 PM Reply Like
  • farmwersteve
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    ...and the phone user must ingest cyanide pills if ever questioned about any content on their phone, thus making the most robust secure phone on the planet

     

    Next on Discovery Mayday ...I don't know what happened, someone was fiddling with the life vest under the seat, and suddenly the whole damn plane blew up...
    27 Feb, 06:15 AM Reply Like
  • David653
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    the self destruct only melts the ssd and information saving components. I don't even think you will smell smoke.
    27 Feb, 04:08 PM Reply Like
  • Mr. Knowitall
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    farmersteve.

     

    you and the others can make jokes about "cyanide pills" and such, but you do realize that this could be a serious problem for BlackBerry and more importantly your long position right?

     

    BlackBerry longs should take information like this seriously. I mean, it's your money.
    28 Feb, 11:43 AM Reply Like
  • Frank Siedler
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    A self destructing phone is nice ;-) ... but it's running Android! --> FAULT
    27 Feb, 07:45 AM Reply Like
  • Frank Siedler
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    Why Samsung Knox has Flopped | Blue Hill Research http://bit.ly/1hW6X0M
    27 Feb, 07:48 AM Reply Like
  • farmwersteve
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    Frank

     

    Can you please send that line to @ David

     

    Many times he comments how knox is currently better at security than BlackBerry is

     

    David, please read franks link above, it might shed some light for you

     

    Also, I missed you the past few days, so many articles came out and nothing from you

     

    Glad your back, you are always good for a chuckle with your 2+2=7.8 type logic
    27 Feb, 09:22 PM Reply Like
  • Mr. Knowitall
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    Frank, in the last 3 days there has been a major new development on the KNOX front. It's becoming far more robust. http://tinyurl.com/kvj...

     

    Also, and need I remind you that BlackBerry had a recent security failure, a major one where any android app running in the Personal Partition can read your contacts in the Work Partition. http://bit.ly/1l79eXa

     

    It's been 20 days and it's still not arrived on anyone's phone. (BlackBerry is blaming the carriers.)
    28 Feb, 11:49 AM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    "The Trustonic TEE adds a hardware-isolated foundation to KNOX in order to secure the platform and the services running within it." Just so; they are going after what BBRY has had for years, but via an "add-on"!
    1 Mar, 08:39 AM Reply Like
  • Mr. Knowitall
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    gwyn,

     

    do you have any evidence to backup the claim that BlackBerry has had a "hardware-isolated foundation to secure the platform and the services running within it" for years?

     

    I am not at all sure this is a true statement.

     

    A TEE is a very special thing and just claiming BlackBerry "has had for years" does not make it so.
    1 Mar, 07:47 PM Reply Like
  • Faxbot
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    So the phone is like leaving your house with the doors unlocked (android platform) but rigged with a bomb in the cellar on the off chance a burglar goes into it (hardware tampering like removing the case). Meanwhile the rest of the stuff elsewhere is free for the taking (old fashion android os hacking for data).

     

    What if I were to drop this phone, does that mean I literally "bricked" it?
    27 Feb, 08:07 AM Reply Like
  • robinshapiro
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    An adaptive re-use of the DreamLiner batteries.
    27 Feb, 08:42 AM Reply Like
  • Icandu
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    I guess they learned how to do that though the experience they gained by building dreamliners.
    27 Feb, 09:00 AM Reply Like
  • mphinz
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    So they are putting in an explosive or corrosive device inside the most insecure phone operating system on the market. While cool for movie effects, one malfunction while in use and it's over.
    27 Feb, 09:00 AM Reply Like
  • Icandu
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    I guess they learned how to do this through the experience they gained while building dreamliners.
    27 Feb, 09:00 AM Reply Like
  • User 9988211
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    My Z30 just melted in my hand. Kind of painful.
    27 Feb, 09:01 AM Reply Like
  • ATInsider
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    This is ridiculous. Once again a US contractor trying to justify using Android as a secure platform. Wake up, not going to happen, and regarding self destructive Android phones, lol, right. As soon as they are hacked and info extracted remotely, the phone will self destruct in a persons pocket. Smart Move, more like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

     

    And why is such gimmickry posted on the BBRY section?
    27 Feb, 09:03 AM Reply Like
  • David653
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    only the component that hold the info self destructs you wont even smell smoke. Beware investors Blackberry loyalists are commenting continuously over and over again using different names leading to false popularity of Blackberry.
    27 Feb, 04:11 PM Reply Like
  • PeteCal
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    Airplanes, cell phones, what's next, Kerig or Barbi?
    27 Feb, 09:42 AM Reply Like
  • David Jackson
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    This actually proves the power of Google's business model. By providing Android to other hardware providers, Google ends up penetrating all sorts of niche markets which Apple can't address with its integrated hardware-software model.
    27 Feb, 10:05 AM Reply Like
  • JoFergus
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    Will this really be Google's Android? Another fork in the Android OS (similar to Nokia's new Android), or an entirely new version of Android starting at the Linux kernel. Reporters aren't always terribly accurate in how they use the word "Android", adn we've seen enough examples of shoot first clarify later reports around BBRY (cough...Pentagon story...cough)

     

    Boeing is clearly not saying ANYTHING about the OS, other than using the word Android, and attributing it's trademark to Google Inc.

     

    Although I'm just a punter with an SA account, who's been following QNX since '97 and who quite appreciates BBRY's well-aged BES/BIS-network model for security...I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Boeing's enormous engineering expertise - especially if my only industry 'insight' was based around the (typically industry-wide) delays in developing cutting-edge aeronautics.

     

    Here's some info from the horse's mouth
    http://bit.ly/1hlOg3S
    27 Feb, 12:55 PM Reply Like
  • David653
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    Android and IOS is about a hundred times more advanced then Blackberry this is the reason for their fall. This is caused by Blackberry's lack of innovation.
    27 Feb, 04:13 PM Reply Like
  • stevef1086
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    @David - "a hundred times more advanced tha*n blackberry" and "Blackberry's lack of innovation" you say?

     

    Come on, this has got to be a joke. The only comment remotely close to being accurate is the lack of innovation which in any case is in the past. Have you even used the Blackberry 10 OS with the newer phones? Please put aside erroneous and imprudent opinions and put some damn facts on the message board. Otherwise, stop wasting people's precious time.
    27 Feb, 04:56 PM Reply Like
  • ELLAS
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    ""Security, modularity and productivity delivered – all in one trusted mobile device.
    Boeing Black smartphone
    The U.S. defense and security communities demand trusted access to data to accomplish their missions. Despite the continuous innovation in commercial mobile technology, current devices are not designed from inception with the security and flexibility needed to match their evolving mission and enterprise environment.""
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    This description sounds like they are talking about BlackBerry 10. At this point, nobody does Security & Enterprise better than BlackBerry. Clearly they rather go for a less secure "Android" OS from an American Company versus a Canadian BBRY Company.

     

    While they play around with Android, the rest of Europe will continue to be more secure utilizing BES10 and BB10.
    27 Feb, 06:35 PM Reply Like
  • Mr. Knowitall
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    Okay, I'm going to be the first to say it ..

     

    this is the BlackBerry killer

     

    Key Features:
    Android™ Operating System: Convenient smartphone for Android usage
    Disk Encryption: Encrypted storage for sensitive data
    Hardware Root of Trust: Ensures software authenticity
    Hardware Crypto Engine: Protects stored and transmitted data
    Embedded Secure Components: Enables trusted operations
    Trusted Platform Modules: Provides secure key storage
    Secure Boot: Maintains device image integrity
    Hardware Modularity: Endless modularity capabilities

     

    http://bit.ly/1hlOg3S
    http://bit.ly/1fwn8Qy
    28 Feb, 12:15 PM Reply Like
  • stevef1086
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    why on earth would they choose android for this? I wonder if any other companies were involved prior to the deal taking place. BBRY would have been a fantastic candidate IMO.
    27 Feb, 04:06 PM Reply Like
  • fearless195
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    I want one already. I mean there are only so many tall stories you can tell about an iPhone, even Michael Blair knows that. But a SpyPhone - very impressive in certain bars.
    27 Feb, 10:12 PM Reply Like
  • seekingthetrooth
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    Last I checked Ethan Hunt & his crew used an iPhone to check up their mission briefing.
    27 Feb, 11:04 PM Reply Like
  • usajordi
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    Maybe done by Boeing at a price list in line with Airplanes and Rockets, will be offered at ATT at around 10.000 Dollars each!
    28 Feb, 01:27 PM Reply Like
  • Mr. Knowitall
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    usajordi,

     

    Maybe, and if they do then I would say BlackBerry has only a small problem.

     

    However!!!

     

    If Boeing makes an Android powered smartphone available which is/or more secure than a BlackBerry for ~$500 USD, then I will buy that phone along with a whole lot of other people. BlackBerry will have a huge problem at that point.

     

    And what's the answer to the Android Malware Threat?
    Part of it is adequate sandboxing http://tinyurl.com/2jftw9
    And the other part is the laundry list of killer security features baked into the BlackPhone hardware/Firmware: Disk Encryption, Hardware Root of Trust, Hardware Crypto Engine, Embedded Secure Components, Trusted Platform Modules, Secure Boot, Hardware Modularity

     

    http://bit.ly/1hlOg3S
    http://bit.ly/1fwn8Qy
    28 Feb, 02:38 PM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    Mr. K you shouldn't buy people; slavery is no longer legal!
    1 Mar, 08:41 AM Reply Like
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