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Fears of terrorism in Boeing 777 disappearance

  • Boeing (BA) has put together a technical assistance team to help in any investigation of what happened to the the Malaysia Airlines 777 that has gone missing over Vietnam airspace.
  • With the search continuing, officials and aviation experts have declined to speculate on what happened to the jet, although it seems that the identities of four passengers are under investigation, two of whom were traveling on stolen passports. That has sparked suggestions that terrorism might have been involved.
  • A major problem is the lack of a signal from the plane's Emergency Location Transmitter.
  • Freescale Semiconductor (FSL) said 20 employees from its operations in Asia, including senior managers, were on the flight.
  • In total, the plane was carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew members as it flew from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
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  • Jonathan Bluhm
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    Not looking good for Boeing right now. Sell BA before it drops hard next week. Two 777's crash in the past year, and now the 787 has hairline cracks in the wings of over 40 planes. Wow.
    9 Mar 2014, 05:54 AM Reply Like
  • Regarded Solutions
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    are you short the stock?
    9 Mar 2014, 08:40 AM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    Hi Jonathan,

     

    Just curious.... a story about what could prove to be a crash, etc. wherein hundreds of people may have lost their lives and you're first to chime in by raising the fear index and how one might profit off of it.

     

    Excuse me if I consider the cost in human life.

     

    There's always time to make money...that is until there's no more time.
    9 Mar 2014, 10:45 AM Reply Like
  • bgold1955
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    777 began selling in 1995 & has one of the best safety records of any aircraft design.
    9 Mar 2014, 01:18 PM Reply Like
  • j359
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    Hope so, would be a good buying opportunity.
    9 Mar 2014, 08:20 PM Reply Like
  • John Alford
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    really?

     

    Since 1995 millions of miles flown before first fatal accident last year which was purely pilot error. Plane likely saved lives during the crash and ensuing fire. Highly unlikely airframe cause of this weekend's crash-no distress call, no glide slope detected on radar (or released publicly, which would calm terrorism panic.) This has hallmarks of terrorist attack such as suicide bombing(s) as it is unlikely with current precautions terrorists could access cockpit. My only concern is why this leg (destination Beijing)?

     

    But my opinion is just that-internet credentials are all made up anyway.
    10 Mar 2014, 03:30 AM Reply Like
  • joegillam
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    Jonathan..........Forget the crashes, SFO was clearly pilot error and the S China Sea has all the earmarks of terrorism. The cracks are only on the larger wing sets made for the "9". This will be an easy fix. But you are correct on one point; "investors" with a built in panic button and a good knee jerk reaction will sell and drop the price. Keep your seat, Boeing is one of the better stocks on the board..............Joe In Georgia
    9 Mar 2014, 10:34 AM Reply Like
  • healthythoughts
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    Hairline cracks in wing discovered prior to parts delivery. None of the 787 aircraft in service are affected

     

    see Seattle Times

     

    "Boeing said Friday that discovery of a 787 Dreamliner manufacturing defect by wing-maker Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in Japan means 43 of the jets have to be inspected for small hairline cracks inside the wings."

     

    "None of the 787 Dreamliners involved has been delivered to airlines. The affected wings are either on the production lines in Everett and North Charleston, S.C., or still at the Mitsubishi plant in Nagoya, Japan."

     

    http://bit.ly/1hYFb13

     

    Both 777 had mysterious circumstances (pilot misjudged landing & (other to be found out, eventually)...including 2 passports stolen over 1 & 2 years ago....

     

    http://usat.ly/1gbhDWn

     

    777's have been flying w/o problems for many years

     

    If they sell, it's time to buy it cheap, & quickly
    9 Mar 2014, 10:40 AM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    777's have been flying w/o problems for many years see below for the facts !

     

    Malaysia Airlines 777 where delivery between 1997 -2004

     

    http://bit.ly/1h72e7n

     

    http://bit.ly/1h72e7v

     

    As of March 2014, the 777 has been in 10 aviation accidents and incidents,[211] including three confirmed hull-loss accidents,[212] and three hijackings.[213] Before 2013, the only fatality involving the twinjet occurred in a refueling fire at Denver International Airport on September 5, 2001, during which a ground worker sustained fatal burns.[214] The aircraft, operated by British Airways, suffered fire damage to the lower wing panels and engine housing; it was later repaired and returned to service.[214][215]
    The type's first hull-loss occurred on January 17, 2008, when British Airways Flight 38, a 777-200ER with Rolls-Royce Trent 895 engines flying from Beijing to London, crash-landed approximately 1,000 feet (300 m) short of Heathrow Airport's runway 27L and slid onto the runway's threshold. There were 47 injuries and no fatalities. The impact damaged the landing gear, wing roots and engines. The aircraft was written off.[216][217] Upon investigation, the accident was blamed on ice crystals from the fuel system clogging the fuel-oil heat exchanger (FOHE).[210] In 2009, air accident investigators called for a redesign of this component on the Trent 800 series engine.[218] Redesigned fuel oil heat exchangers were installed in British Airways' 777s by October 2009.[219]
    Two other minor momentary losses of thrust with Trent 895 engines occurred in February and November 2008.[220][221] The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) investigators concluded that, just as on BA38, the loss of power was caused by ice in the fuel clogging the fuel-oil heat exchanger. As a result, the heat exchanger was redesigned.[210]
    The type's second hull-loss occurred on July 29, 2011, when an EgyptAir 777-200ER registered as SU-GBP suffered a cockpit fire while parked at the gate at Cairo International Airport.[222] The plane was successfully evacuated with no injuries,[222] and airport fire teams extinguished the fire.[223] The aircraft sustained structural, heat and smoke damage. This aircraft was written off.[222][223] Investigators focused on a possible electrical fault with a supply hose in the cockpit crew oxygen system.[222]
    The type's third hull loss and first involving fatalities occurred on July 6, 2013, when Asiana Airlines Flight 214, 777-200ER registered HL7742, crashed while landing at San Francisco International Airport after touching down short of the runway. Surviving passengers and crew evacuated before fire destroyed the aircraft. The crash led to the death of three of the 307 people on board. These were the first fatalities in a crash involving a 777.[224][225][226] An accident investigation by the NTSB is underway; its initial focus is on the aircraft's low landing speed.[227]
    On March 8, 2014, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a 777-200ER carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew, was reported missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Air Traffic Control's last reported coordinates for the aircraft were in Vietnamese air space in the South China Sea at 6°55′15″N 103°34′43″E. The flight is presumed to have crashed into the sea, most likely due to catastrophic failure, as no 'mayday' type communication was reported.[228][229][230]
    10 Mar 2014, 11:46 AM Reply Like
  • healthythoughts
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    http://bit.ly/1cP3Sbb
    10 Mar 2014, 12:27 PM Reply Like
  • Reel Ken
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    Hi healthythoughts,

     

    Your link speculates that a door may be found. The link is one day old when posted. They have discarded this theory.

     

    Still no clues (as of 12:18pm March 10th)
    10 Mar 2014, 12:51 PM Reply Like
  • healthythoughts
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    Hi Reel Ken,

     

    Thanks for update....nothing has been found..highly unusual
    10 Mar 2014, 02:24 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    787 wing cracks
    When was the Eddy current test perform (NDT) on the wings?

     

    See Popular Mechanics June 1989 page 69 and Boeing Specification
    BAC-5651 BAC 5651

     

    And where were the inspectors that bought off the test, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Boeing, FAA, QA, ect

     

    The cracks resulted from over-tightening of the fasteners without the use of manufacturing fillers, Aka An torque wrench!

     

    And where were the inspectors at that bought off the torque wrench reading test, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Boeing, FAA, QA

     

    Where was Boeing incoming inspection and QA at ?
    Boeing is reasonable for its aircraft and all the parts that are build by vendor and suppliers see

     

    Business | Faa Tells Mcdonnell Douglas To Fly Right -- Sloppy ...
    community.seattletimes...

     

    Boeing also has had quality problems with its jetliners in the past. Problems with crossed wiring in fire-extinguisher systems in its 767s prompted complaints three years ago by American Airlines, Japan Airlines and All Nippon Airways. British Airways also complained in 1988 about persistent problems with a variety of systems and fasteners in its new 747 jumbo jets. Boeing officials said they resolved the issues.

     

    see FAA fine Boeing

     

    http://bit.ly/1bCVh9w

     

    http://bit.ly/15MT5dF
    11 Mar 2014, 03:32 PM Reply Like
  • User 353732
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    People would rather speculate, assign blame and revel in emotional manipulation rather than wait for facts or pray for the souls of those lost so suddenly or have empathy for the kin and friends consumed by anxiety.
    For Big Media every disaster is an opportunity to capture an audience and for Big Money every disaster is an opportunity to trade and for Big Government an opportunity to further increase control and frighten people in ceding even more decision making to the bureaucrats.
    9 Mar 2014, 11:17 AM Reply Like
  • surfgeezer
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    How is deciding to take a flight NOT based on the faith that governments can help protect the flyers.
    Ridiculous insensitive POLITICAL DRIVEL looking for an excuse to spill.
    Just sad.
    10 Mar 2014, 01:57 AM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    If there was a god to pray to, this flight would not have been blown up in the middle of its journey. I dont understand why people think that god is watching over loved ones and that when tragedy happens, we must give our prayers.
    10 Mar 2014, 02:12 PM Reply Like
  • healthythoughts
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    Thoughts & prayers for crew, passengers & families
    10 Mar 2014, 02:26 PM Reply Like
  • healthythoughts
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    positivethoughts,

     

    Nothing wrong with expressing positive thoughts or consoling the loved ones. We have no idea what happened...

     

    If what you say is true(blown up, no god) there would never be any good in the world/universe. There is free will to be good or bad....
    10 Mar 2014, 02:38 PM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    There is good because people benefit from good actions. Just like there are people who eat healthy because they feel better when they do.
    10 Mar 2014, 06:39 PM Reply Like
  • T-time
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    Also sad for Freescale Semiconductor - who apparently lost several employees including sr. managers on the flight. Their stock has rocketed upward since the beginning of 2014 going from about 16 to 24 / share.
    Several companies often finds themselves with several key and high ranking colleagues on the same flight - perhaps not a good idea...

     

    Let's hope the news ends up good...
    9 Mar 2014, 02:11 PM Reply Like
  • Regarded Solutions
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    This is not going to end up good for those poor souls.
    9 Mar 2014, 02:36 PM Reply Like
  • healthythoughts
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    Thoughts & prayers to all crew, passengers & families
    10 Mar 2014, 12:12 PM Reply Like
  • dividend_growth
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    Most likely terrorists
    9 Mar 2014, 03:07 PM Reply Like
  • Regarded Solutions
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    what is that?
    9 Mar 2014, 06:23 PM Reply Like
  • Apple Diner
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    "NWO" (New World Order) is a old favorite of the conspiracy crowd.
    9 Mar 2014, 06:35 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    Did The Faa Go Easy On Boeing?
    January 28, 1996

     

    http://buswk.co/1berepy
    10 Mar 2014, 12:10 PM Reply Like
  • joegillam
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    Sorry, Thomas..........

     

    Aviation - Navigation - Communication I got to rule out the broken fan blade scenario. Had that been the situation there would have been time for an SOS and, in all probability, a controlled ditching if necessary.

     

    Joe In Georgia
    11 Mar 2014, 09:24 AM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    Let's recap what the government is telling us:

     

    a) The plane cant be located
    b) There is no lead as to how the plane encountered difficulties and crashed
    c) There were 4 to 5 passengers travelling with stolen passports who boarded
    without being intercepted

     

    Why I call bul*shit to the government's claims:

     

    In 1966, 48 years ago, Lockheed Martin engineer Kelly Johnston designed the SR-71 Blackbird. It had an altitude capability of 85,000 feet, a top speed of 3500 km/hour and could see from its ceiling to the ground with a resolution of 4 inches, even through walls and other obstacles. That means that the plane could cruise at, say 75,000 feet in the air and tell what you were eating, on the ground, in your house, sitting at your table.

     

    Yet, the U.S. government, some 5 decades later, spending hundereds of billions of dollars each year on new technology, claims to not be able to find the downed Malyasian airplane even though it was being tracked until it encountered its troubles.

     

    IF YOU BELIEVE THAT, YOU PROBABLY BELIEVE IN UNICORNS.

     

    Oh, and dont forget, Nasa can point its telescopes toward space and look for signs of life millions of light years away - LIGHT YEARS AWAY - yet we cant find a downed plane in the ocean, even though we know within a few hundred miles of where it went down.

     

    The NSA can intercept and listen in on any conversation in the world, yet we cant locate the cell phone signals from any of the lost passengers, even though these cell phones are still transmitting signals.

     

    The best one of all, we werent able to cross reference the stolen passports and stop any of the people using said stolen passports from entering the planes. 5 out of 5 times, we failed to flag the stolen passports when they were scanned.

     

    Yeah, that's believable. The public gets dumber by the year.
    12 Mar 2014, 10:12 AM Reply Like
  • joegillam
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    Positive,

     

    The SR-71 had a few million dollars better electronics than the 777. Totally different mission. Apples and Oranges.

     

    The 777 was not being tracked. If it is (and it was) beyond the range of ground radar then who is tracking it? Its tracking at that range is dependent on the signals it sends, and if the devices are turned off then no signal equals no track.

     

    Sure space telescopes can be pointed at the flight, but were they? Other things to watch than folks flying along sipping a bloody mary.

     

    NASA can listen to cell phones provided that they are within range of a tower and NASA is listening in that direction. The range of a cell phone is less than three miles unless it hits towers for rebroadcast. Your cell phone in your lifeboat just don't cut it.

     

    Few (very few) passports are scanned on departures, but are examined when going through entry-control upon landing. Sometimes flight manifests are screened before departure, but this is not by a long way all the time. Names are checked against the "no fly list" but this does not always include the passport information. This is why two year olds are not allowed to board because they were on the No Fly List.

     

    Passenger screening, all phases of it, is far from fool proof. It is more of a deterrence than a preventative technique. Baggage matching is a thing of the past in most departures and baggage screening by dogs of machine is spotty at best. TSA's own internal quality control folks frequently walk through with a false ID and a weapon. And the rest of the world, excluding Israel, also does a halfway job of screening.

     

    And, Positive, air travel is not near the convenience or peace of mind it was just a few years ago. So, with that in mind, I don't fly. Got a nice little RV for domestic travel and there are a wide variety of trans-ocean voyages for across the pond travel.

     

    Joe In Georgia
    12 Mar 2014, 01:40 PM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    I fly, but not through an American airport - Ever. I wont travel through American airports anymore because the security measures remind me of the movies I watched detailing Nazi Germany in the 1930's and early 1940s.

     

    I never thought I would see the day when an American president - who won the Nobel Peace Prize - would assassinate 4 Americans without granting them the right to a trial, by claiming they were a threat to national security and enemy combatants. This is the same intelligence we relied on when America invaded Iraq.

     

    By the way, I have never boarded a plane in the past 5 years where my passport wasnt scanned. The airlines have to verify and match up the name on the ticket with the name on your passport. If the passport doesnt scan correctly and match up with the ticket information, the airlines are required to investigate the mismatch.
    12 Mar 2014, 03:37 PM Reply Like
  • thomas85225
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    Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

     

    9M-MRO S/B 9M-MRQ ?

     

    http://bit.ly/1h72e7v

     

    http://bit.ly/O2J7TN

     

    Where was the last C or D check perform at of Malaysia Airlines 777?

     

    Did the Malaysia Airlines 777 fly over an active volcano when its turnaround see

     

    http://bit.ly/O2J6zg

     

    Most courtiers has Air Defense radar, any aircraft flying off course will causes that counties to scannable interceptor fighter jet to investigate the aircraft flying off course

     

    On April 1, 2001, the Hainan Island incident occurred when a mid-air collision between a United States Navy EP-3E ARIES II signls intelligence aircraft and a People's Liberation Army Navy J-8II interceptor fighter jet resulted in an international dispute between the United States of America and the People's Republic of China.

     

    The 777 like most aircraft has a R.A.T (Ram air turbine) for electric power and Hydraulic power and APU with generator electric power and two battiest and manual compass and instruments to fly the aircraft manually
    Each door has a life raft with emergency transponder
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

     

    The MD-11 flight 111 , 747, 787 and 777 has had electric fire or smoke in the cockpit
    on July 29, 2011, when an EgyptAir 777-200ER registered as SU-GBP suffered a cockpit fire while parked at the gate at Cairo International Airport.

     

    Its time to upgrade the on board aircraft reordering systems
    (alone with adding a on-board video systems)
    to talk to satellite then be record at the airline maintained Hub like Airbus AF447 or like Northrop Global Hawk RQ-4B

     

    The Flight recorders should be relocated behind the aft pressure bulk head and place into electable buoy alone with an emergency location transporter
    (some sail boat have similar systems)

     

    The Boeing 777-200ER is equipped with a maintenance computer capable of talking to the ground automatically through short messages known as ACARS, what where last messages ?

     

    There are 12 or 32 GPS satellite in orbit around the earth at all times
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... - Similar

     

    alone with spy satellite in orbit
    12 Mar 2014, 03:24 PM Reply Like
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