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Tesla faces a roadblock in New Jersey

  • Tesla Motors (TSLA) says Governor Christie’s administration in New Jersey is pushing forward legislation that will curtail its ability to conduct sales in the state.
  • Christie is a strong proponent of blocking the direct sales model of Tesla in favor of requiring the use of a third-party dealer.
  • The EV automaker has had success in blocking similar legislation proposals in other states, but New Jersey could be a tough nut to crack.
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  • Ted Bear
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    Who knew that the car dealers in NJ had Christie in their pocket? ALWAYS follow the money!

     

    This guy's star went from shining brightly to a dull haze in less than six months. Just amazing to watch a guy self destruct in front of the public.
    11 Mar, 08:35 AM Reply Like
  • Vico Confino
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    Vico Confino Tesla 85 owner since 12/21/2012
    Excellent comment Ted Bear.
    Would like to add:
    Hasn't Gov Christie ever heard of "free enterprise".
    nuff sed
    Vico Confino
    11 Mar, 09:13 AM Reply Like
  • Jean Curiotto
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    You got that right.
    11 Mar, 04:22 PM Reply Like
  • joeinslw@gmail.com
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    He can forget about the White House, he will stay in the public dog house after this public back stabbing he gave Tesla.
    14 Mar, 10:55 PM Reply Like
  • wwt17
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    Governor Christie’s administration in New Jersey is pushing forward legislation that will curtail its ability to conduct sales in the state.

     

    i love how people can be such john thomases. really? here is a company that creates jobs in america and people want to get in the way. don't worry christie, there will still be other dealers to rip people off.
    11 Mar, 08:36 AM Reply Like
  • Siddharth Dalal
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    Tesla should just get Amazon to be their dealer in troublesome states.
    http://amzn.to/1bitnpy
    http://bit.ly/1i3Iy6o
    11 Mar, 03:07 PM Reply Like
  • losbronces
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    Shine a light on the roaches and they scurry away. I suspect if this gets enough attention, the legislation won't go through.

     

    It will be difficult to explain why only New Jersey needs dealerships for Tesla; especially since the governor seems to have ambitions for national office.
    11 Mar, 08:59 AM Reply Like
  • David at Imperial Beach
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    Tesla has so far managed to sell cars in every state in the Union, despite such despicable laws. They will survive and prosper. But will all those despicable politicians who pass such laws get re-elected? That is the question. It's only a matter of time before the people stand up for their rights to unfettered consumerism.
    11 Mar, 11:57 AM Reply Like
  • Dan Fichana
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    Was a front runner for the presidental 2016 race.

     

    Special Election so he would have a blow out - ticked off some people
    Bridge gate (ticked off commuters)
    The not giving adequate funding for Sandy relief to a Democratic city (ticked off democrats- not too big a deal)
    Now this - caving to special interests (ticks off free marketers and essentially anyone whom disliked dealerships)

     

    Tell you what, if you want to lose support, do those things.
    11 Mar, 09:01 AM Reply Like
  • ckcamper
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    I was an honest to goodness Christie fan until now. We come to a parting of the ways pardner. Tesla is a fine example of American ingenuity at work and to somehow try to stint it's growth by adding a middle man to the cash slow is feckless. I only ever used that word to describe the present administration.
    11 Mar, 04:15 PM Reply Like
  • wwt17
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    feckless! great vocab word. thanks. i'll add it to my tool box.
    12 Mar, 01:50 PM Reply Like
  • Ford Prefect 1969
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    Recent poorly reported comments by Christie may be starting to cave to the idea of inviting Tesla back to the legislature to draft something he can sign to end his public humiliation.

     

    Need to watch the video, the transcript guy has conveniently left out the useful part:

     

    http://bit.ly/1eR07CY

     

    Blood in the water - Go Tesla.
    19 Mar, 04:25 AM Reply Like
  • PeterJA
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    "The EV automaker has had success in blocking similar legislation proposals in other states, but New Jersey could be a tough nut to crack."

     

    Because Christie is so popular right now? Given his escalating scandals, I'd say Christie makes Tesla's success in NJ easier.
    11 Mar, 09:06 AM Reply Like
  • redsstock
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    i really don't get the idea of getting rid of the dealers, yes this move will be good for the manufacturers but will cause a lot of job losses and not beneficial long term for the consumer. some in wall street are just happy of getting rid of many american jobs but the problem is by eliminating lots of them is making the addressable market small for their products and services. buying from the internet is only good as long as the product you bought is in good condition and is working upon warranty expiration but the problem is returning defective products are sometimes problematic. I believe the tesla model of getting rid of the dealers and few service stations are not in the best interest of the consumer, yes very few problem now for tesla because of very few cars being sold as compare to others. the wifi update that tesla is doing to address some of its defect for me is not acceptable i believe it is in the best interest of its customer that each cars properly tested and get the seal of approval from the dealer. comparing these wifi updates to ipad iphone or android updates dont make any sense at all because if your ipad dont work upon update it will not costs your life and safety. if the wifi software updates on your cars operating system go gaga these buggy updates can cause accident and because of that the dealer should do a dry run software diagnostic and test run for each major software updates. honestly i am not comportable driving a computerize car that is being updated without my knowledge and not being tested by the dealer. the wifi update just like how its is being done on your ipad iphone can happen anytime even without prior knowlegde of the user is this the kind of concept you want adopted on your car? then you will only know that the updates are successful while you are driving it the first time after the updates This concept i believe is very dangerous.
    11 Mar, 09:30 AM Reply Like
  • Dan Fichana
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    The updates don't happen unless you accept them.
    I have an iphone and have not accepted the update for a month

     

    Tesla just gives you a prompt for the update and you can delay it.

     

    To accuse them of not testing the updates shows ignorance of the computer field. No one releases code untested.

     

    Also dealerships don't go into the code and check for bugs. If 1 out of 100 cars don't take the update or the update malfunctions, the dealership is not going to fix it on the spot.

     

    Thirdly, the dealerships do not test the updates completely ( you could in you car do some random series of events, not even foreseeable and the car stop working).

     

    Fourth- Please read up on economic rent seekers, dealerships add no value to the process, even the US dept of Justice wrote a paper saying so, and as for the job loss, remember that money that that dealership would have made is going into the consumer's pocket whom may use it for other things like going out to eat, home improvement or other things. It's not a job loss, just a job movement.

     

    Also Tesla is made in America and is an American company which you really can't say the same for others. That would make them a job creator.
    11 Mar, 09:44 AM Reply Like
  • icon149
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    not at all, the jobs still exist. just because the Tesla owns the sales channel (aka show room or even dealership if you will) doesn't mean it is staffed by robots. The jobs are still in the US, and the job of selling cars is still important. however, the crooked middle man screwing you over and selling you service you don't need and charging you hundreds for bs pin striping or undercoating are gone.

     

    it's vertical integration and it keeps jobs in the US, and it keeps companies in the US and it keeps profit margins in the US.
    11 Mar, 10:08 AM Reply Like
  • 123man
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    My grandson works for a dealership as a saleman - these are some of the words he picked up in working for the dealership and the customers - "they pounded the customer", "they loaded the customer up on the back end (finance) telling them they saved $20, while in fact it cost them thousands", "they slammed them on their trade in", "these people were lay downs because the dealership could tell them anything and they believed it" - this is what the newbees, the green peas are taught to do when dealing with their customers - yep, we certainly want to keep that model of doing business in place - one example - lady buys a used car and is handed the keys and remote, next day comes back and says remote doesn't work, she is told "did nayone tell you the remote worked or did you just assume it" - sorry, we are not doing anything for you - sad but true -
    11 Mar, 10:54 AM Reply Like
  • redsstock
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    thats the thing i am an IT specialist before i do this partime stock trading that is why i am skeptical about these wifi updates on cars that can influence the way you drive or affecting the performance of the cars. anything can go wrong with many of these updates take note that these are only software programs done by humans, many times an apps ios android windows os being updated suppose to be tested by its developer and many times these software updates create more bugs and problem, problems created by updates discovered only after the damage has been done in case of ipad iphone android phones no lives are in danger only your data might be lost but in cars update failure can cause accident that may cost you your life. i believe it is the responsibility of the dealer seller service centers to test the cars functionality and make sure the update works for each car after a major software updates.
    11 Mar, 12:12 PM Reply Like
  • redsstock
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    vertical integration like what tesla is doing i believe only works because it is not being adopted by the mass market, look at amazon its model causes a lot of job losses and still it cant make money out of its operations, due state taxes amazon will not make money on its retail and is moving away from direct selling and just becoming more of a middle man, amazon eliminates a lot of competitors in the retail industry and still not profitable. i believe tesla concept is shortchanging tha consumer will cause a lot of job and the end game will not work for the mass market.
    11 Mar, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • Ford Prefect 1969
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    @redsstock

     

    Legal protection for a sales organisation that consumers universally hate?

     

    Why stop there, why not legal protection for insurance salesmen or photocopier salesmen? Why not ban Internet sales altogether to protect all salesmen?

     

    There is only one excuse for protecting dealers from manufacturers going direct.

     

    The historic investment of the sales organisation in supporting the growth of the manufacturer. Even that is a weak argument. How come Proctor and Gamble can sell hair products on Amazon? Did Walmart not help P&G build its business?

     

    Tesla has never benefited from the investment of dealers in marketing or inventory to grow its business. There is no lawful excuse to insist that it gives its consumer-facing business away to intermediaries that have done nothing to earn it.

     

    Dealers are economically unproductive parasites in the sales process. In the service business they are profit takers with economic interests diametrically opposed to low cost of maintenance.

     

    In the case of Tesla, the more servicing their cars need, the greater the cost to run the business of Tesla. Tesla is a business that is economically aligned with the interests of the consumer to make its cars as reliable as humanly possible. The only way Tesla earns money is to make the best possible car that people want to buy and own.

     

    The dealership model stands in stark contrast, relying as it does on slipping compromises past the customer at the point of sale and gouging the customer thereafter. For sure they need legal protection, in the absence of that artifice both consumers and manufacturers would most gladly shake hands on the opportunity to get rid of them.

     

    Lastly, dealer interference in the process of consumer feedback is a tragedy for Big Auto. By definition Big Auto is out of touch with the consumer in a way that is unimaginable for a modern business.
    11 Mar, 12:55 PM Reply Like
  • Dan Fichana
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    You also realize Tesla does not roll out the updates all at once too.

     

    I see, you have a problem with an over the air update that technically, the only change was disabling the lowest setting, BUT yet have no problem with someone with little computer experience ripping open the console, jamming a USB in and letting it install.

     

    You do know dealers do that. How do you think they updated the Cmax software?

     

    Also since Tesla's is more of a tapered roll out, you discover the problem early and fix it.
    Dealers call up. Then the other once has to notify all other dealers. And it that frame some more cars get faulty software.

     

    I tend to trust Tesla's way a little better than thousands on indepemdent dealers not talking to each other.
    11 Mar, 01:01 PM Reply Like
  • joeinslw@gmail.com
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    123man, I believe that most people realize they are getting "Slammed" when they deal with a dealer, that's why they really would rather buy a car online, it's fast, it's convenient, and the price is set, no haggling you don't have to swallow the lies, the misinformation they hand you.
    Your trade is another thing you have to put up with, because they will inflate the price of the new car to make up for your trade, so you wind up with nothing for your old car.
    When I buy a car I go in and say, I don't have a trade, they will give you a price after the usual haggle, then the next day you know how much your old car is worth, so you come back and say, well OK I got your price now how much for my car in a trade? Then watch them pull out their hair. LOL
    11 Mar, 01:41 PM Reply Like
  • MaxRen
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    wake up. in 5 years from now you'll start to see autopilot programs in cars. Whether you want it or not, IT is inviting itself into cars and big time. Wifi updates is just the begining... It's actually easier and less dangerous to start with this than to start with a full autopilot program.

     

    We'll never have the IT skills needed at the dealer site. At best the salesman could tell you "everything is ok with the new update" (after charging you a fee for that) and you'll fell ultra confident when this guy never run an exhaustive debugging. Live data analysis and instant communication between manufacturer and clients/autos is the safest path.
    11 Mar, 01:41 PM Reply Like
  • RussellL
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    "I believe the tesla model of getting rid of the dealers and few service stations are not in the best interest of the consumer, yes very few problem now for tesla because of very few cars being sold as compare to others."

     

    Elon has said he is not against selling his cars through dealerships in the future.

     

    "the wifi update that tesla is doing to address some of its defect for me is not acceptable i believe it is in the best interest of its customer that each cars properly tested and get the seal of approval from the dealer."

     

    No dealer will give as much care and attention to the customer as a manufacturer would.
    11 Mar, 06:05 PM Reply Like
  • arondaniel
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    @redstock "i believe it is in the best interest of its customer that each cars properly tested and get the seal of approval from the dealer"

     

    Wow @redstock. You're going to trust the beauty school dropouts down at the dealership who have a vested interest to overcharge you for parts and service over the wizards who designed and built the best car in the world.

     

    I bet you also think it's fun to waste time and energy pitting multiple dealerships against each other to get the best price.
    11 Mar, 08:51 PM Reply Like
  • Tommymg
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    Tesla has proven itself in solving bigger problems than New Jersey's godfather Christie, who has created his own political power implosion and should lay low for a good length of time.
    11 Mar, 09:40 AM Reply Like
  • AlphaCoils
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    The public is overwhelmingly tired and angry over being ripped off by dealers. Tesla is setting the new mold. No doubt about it, the politicians that continue to support the antiquated anti-competitive dealership system are going to suffer heavily at the polls!
    11 Mar, 09:57 AM Reply Like
  • PeteCal
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    (1) "Creates jobs" is never a reason to do something. If it can be done without the expense of an additional job, now that is a real reason to do it.

     

    (2) Dealerships are rip-offs. My local Ford dealerships are rip-offs. Two of them tried to sell me things I didn't need. The local Hyundai dealer is clueless. Dealers always overcharge.

     

    (3) If Tesla has problems operating without dealerships they will have to fix it or go out of business. Capitalism works.
    11 Mar, 10:02 AM Reply Like
  • joeinslw@gmail.com
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    No Capitalism used to work, but ever since the internet came out there all screaming fowl, the States and cities are screaming that they aren't getting their sales tax, the big box stores don't like people shopping the internet because it takes business away from them.
    We have something now called the FREE MARKET, when the free market works for big business that's fine, but when it works for the consumer, that's a no no, they don't like or want it, that's why capitalism doesn't work any more, and Tesla is a good example.
    11 Mar, 01:47 PM Reply Like
  • Esekla
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    The U.S. has come a long way from unfettered capitalism. That's not always bad, but is it too much to hope that politicians would at least aware of basic legal principles?

     

    http://seekingalpha.co...
    11 Mar, 03:29 PM Reply Like
  • wildwyatt
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    Is this a financial or political site? Or did some of you children get to bed late? I could comment on this abysmal economy and recovery and talk all day about the people who are causing this but it's not for this site.
    11 Mar, 10:03 AM Reply Like
  • JackB125
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    Finance and politics could not be more closely connected. It's expected that discussions will overlap the these two areas.
    11 Mar, 11:40 AM Reply Like
  • Jack Rice
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    This is a news item, and the news is political. If you want to go off the topic of legislation to stop Tesla sales in NJ and go on a tear about "the people who caused "this abysmal economy" (presumably the GOP, who brought on the worst crash since 1929 which we are still digging ourselves out of), then you are right -- it's not for this site.
    11 Mar, 02:11 PM Reply Like
  • wildwyatt
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    Is this a financial or political site? Or did some of you children get to bed late?
    11 Mar, 10:05 AM Reply Like
  • ytram1932
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    I am a registered Republican and I have now lost all interest in Christy as the Republican nominee. I am a moderate, and thought he has some promise. He has been bought by the New Jersey auto dealers. Buying a car from a dealer is worse than root canal any way. As for job creation, I am for creating useful employment, not useless employees (i.e. dealerships.)
    11 Mar, 10:17 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Yup. The unions may not have Christie in their back pocket, but it unfortunately appears that the car dealership racket does.
    11 Mar, 01:50 PM Reply Like
  • icon149
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    Who cares, New Jersey is such a small state people can just drive a few miles and buy their Tesla in a neighboring state.

     

    New Jersey is not that important to Tesla due to it's small geographical size. it just won't be a big barrier.
    11 Mar, 10:23 AM Reply Like
  • tombland
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    Being able to have stores in one of the most densely populated parts of the country is pretty important though...
    11 Mar, 10:39 AM Reply Like
  • marshgre
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    Has anyone here actually ever had "value added" by an automobile dealer? I'm not sure what that would look like.

     

    $150 for a set of $15 floor mats or charging me $500 for undercoating that was already installed at the factory is not "value added".
    11 Mar, 10:28 AM Reply Like
  • joeinslw@gmail.com
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    marshgre---That's another good reason not to buy at a dealership, when or if you make that mistake and buy from a dealer, when he shakes your hand as you go out the door, make sure you count all your fingers.
    11 Mar, 01:53 PM Reply Like
  • winfield100
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    come on down to Maryland, where there is a store, service center and supercharger. also a store in DC and one in Virginia (where they cannot talk due to Va legislature)
    yesterday there were 32 Tesla's and 2 roadsters at the service center getting prepped etc, (I saw VIN 31,915)
    11 Mar, 10:33 AM Reply Like
  • stootch
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    "tesla: we're not in joizy"
    "your exhaust system has more moving parts than my drive train"
    11 Mar, 10:45 AM Reply Like
  • Siddharth Dalal
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    This is nice long term, Tesla stays in the news. People are made aware of how their states suck and prevent them from buying the one of best cars in the world that is made in USA, thanks to special laws for auto dealers. Tesla should make a map and constantly feed this kind of news to the media. It's free advertising.
    11 Mar, 11:51 AM Reply Like
  • Dan Fichana
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    Back fired on the NJ dealers already.

     

    I mentioned this someone and they said why not let Tesla sell how they want, the don't have dealers so they aren't hurting their franchise dealerships.

     

    This person is an loyal Lincoln buyer, and they always shop at a dealership in NJ. Well, they were so insulted by this rule, that they are going to PA for their next car (which they already spec'd out).

     

    Also they are a Registered Republican, but said if Christie gets nominated they are sitting out and not voting in the presidential election.

     

    Talk about upsetting people. Sure Tesla fans are pissed, BUT to ticked off a Lincoln hardline republican to that extent- holy crap.
    11 Mar, 07:22 PM Reply Like
  • Rik1381
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    I hope this Lincoln buyer tells the NJ dealership he formerly did business with and the NJ Coalition of Automotive Retailers why he's buying his next car of state. Hopefully he'll get his car serviced outside of the NJ dealer network also.
    11 Mar, 08:29 PM Reply Like
  • Siddharth Dalal
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    Are all NJ dealers part of NJCAR? If there are dealers that are not, they could make this a great selling point. Only in America, an American car company can't sell directly to consumers :) If the stock goes under 220, I'm buying more.
    12 Mar, 08:55 AM Reply Like
  • hughesrd
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    I like this evidence of your mind, along with all other examples.
    11 Mar, 12:10 PM Reply Like
  • Gaius Marius
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    What else did you expect coming from a State that mandates full service-only gas stations to "create" jobs?
    11 Mar, 12:17 PM Reply Like
  • videomagik
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    Mmmmmm so you cross the GWB and buy your Tesla in NYC...unless Christie blocks the bridge again...then go to Penn. I don't see this as a problem, I see it as a revenue loss for NJ. Nice maneuver Christie...again!
    11 Mar, 01:47 PM Reply Like
  • Locked Down Investments
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    It is incredible that every time there is an article regarding politicians blocking Tesla sales 99% of the comments by THE PEOPLE are outraged.
    In fact I believe the only persons arguing for the dealers are probably dealers themselves!
    How can this happen in a "democracy"?
    Blocking the sale of the highest rated American made vehicle that just happens to run on domestically produced electricity over foreign oil...seriously???

     

    Time to take your country back guys...you should burn ALL POLITICIANS who attempt to block Tesla sales at the next election.
    Want to know which of your representatives are the most greasy corrupt slimebags out there? Just look at those supporting a Tesla ban in their state...easy as that.
    GET THEM OUT!
    11 Mar, 03:38 PM Reply Like
  • Pairs Perfect
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    We don't need the government to tell us how to best buy cars!

     

    This is one of the worst examples of crony capitalism that I have seen to date
    11 Mar, 03:52 PM Reply Like
  • Granters
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    So protectionist, such an example of crony capitalism. Makes me wonder why we even have dealers at all.
    11 Mar, 04:09 PM Reply Like
  • arondaniel
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    Hmm... Anyone know the specifics of this ban?

     

    Sounds like they revoke the dealers' license which means: no orders in-store, no test drives. The store becomes a "gallery" where you can look and touch but not buy. Customers can still place their order online and the fat man still gets his 7% (of course). Customers are inconvenienced because they need to go to the DMV themselves to do the paperwork.

     

    Sound about right? That was my experience in good ol' Virginny.

     

    I wonder if the local NJ Tesla owners' club might step up and offer test drives to serious customers? Apart from the liability nightmare, that would make some interesting headlines. :)
    11 Mar, 05:38 PM Reply Like
  • Locked Down Investments
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    Not sure how it works in Texas (where Tesla is also not allowed to sell cars). They still have showrooms/stores and service centres there. As with every Tesla store you have to make your purchase online. All the stores are for is to inform customers, give test drives, etc. All orders are place on the website regardless of where you are in the world.

     

    Only difference with Texas and New Jersey I believe is that Tesla cannot ship the car directly to you in these states. Therefore you have to give an address in an alternative state and either pick up the car there or have it shipped to you from that state. You will also have to pay the applicable state sales taxes/etc which may or may not work in your favour.
    Seems a pretty stupid state decision really as all they are doing is missing out on tax revenue by banning Tesla. You can never stop people from owning a Tesla if they really want to. Unless you want to become totally authoritarian (hopefully America has not devolved to that point yet though).

     

    Think that's about it from what I have picked up from others online.
    11 Mar, 06:00 PM Reply Like
  • arondaniel
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    "Tesla cannot ship the car directly to you in these states."

     

    Actually, according to http://bit.ly/17mlP1X, they _must_ deliver the car directly to you, not to a Tesla employee.

     

    The whole thing is silly. The stealerships are going to lose, no question. Tesla doesn't need them at all and the other automakers will need about 1/10th of them to sell and service their fleet of EVs. In the meantime, they are a boat anchor, preventing other automakers from catching up to Tesla.
    11 Mar, 08:25 PM Reply Like
  • LightFallSuit
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    Direct delivery of automobile from dealer presents a handicap for the STATE OF NEW JERSEY, whereby it would have a more difficult time compelling Tesla to deliver the Manufacturer's Statement of Origin to the property of the STATE than it would have in the case of auto manufacturers which have an agent or 'presence within the state'. The STATE holds all property (by actual Title) of the persons which are resident in the STATE and those persons are issued a 'Certificate of Title' which is but an evidence of the Actual Title which is held by the STATE. It is by the fact of the dominant ownership of the Title by the STATE (holder of Title) and the privilege of a regulated 'use' (use is a noun here and means. . benefit or beneficial use of the property of the STATE) established by application for a Motor Vehicle Certificate of Title, as evidenced and affirmed by the STATE issuing that 'Certificate' (operates as a warehouse receipt not for the car but for the superior evidence of ownership which is 'within this State', as the Statute says, since the actual Title is held by the State) that the persons are permitted to use the Motor Vehicle as a privilege for which they apply (Register the MV, Apply for Driver License and pay yearly to renew the privilege, pay sales tax on the car, participate in mandated insurance, obey all rules of road no matter how seemingly senseless) and enjoy ( use the benefit. The use - verb here- of the benefit is the 'use' - noun here-) which is regulated and taxed as an excise payable to the dominant holder, this State. Persons are presumed by operation of Legislation at the Federal level and the States regulate them. Such encumbrances are not imposable upon state citizens who rebut the governmental presumption that they act as 'persons' which are the property of the Federal Government. New Jersey government is exerting its effort to bring Tesla within its dominant party regulatory administrative capacity which is a voluntary participation program. The same dominance applies to your land and home, your business properties and corporations, your children as property that they are, your last will and testament, the bank account you use, your licensed marriage to which State is the dominant party with the spouses as inferior and subject parties, all professional licenses. . .building code enforcement, property tax enforcement the list goes on and on and it is all voluntary. Oh yeah, also IRS enforcement of the IRC.
    11 Mar, 09:41 PM Reply Like
  • nickysg
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    When Americans say they are the land of free market capitalism and China is not,well this is the kind of story that makes you realise much of American business is controlled by cartels who are protected by politicians who are in the pocket of those cartels.
    12 Mar, 01:10 AM Reply Like
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