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Doctors group criticizes EPA's lack of disclosure in its experiments

  • The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) takes exception to the way the EPA solicits volunteers for its air pollution experiments over the past 10 years. They assert that the agency fails to adequately inform sufferers of asthma, hypertension, metabolic syndrome and other maladies that the concentrated diesel exhaust and other pollutants they breathe in the experiments could cause them harm. Allegedly, agency researchers watch for serious events in the volunteers such as asthma attacks and heart attacks as part of their assessments of the deleterious effects of said pollutants.
  • The EPA calculates the risk of such events when exposed to much lower concentrations of the pollutants, multiplies the result by the U.S. population and then claims to save millions of lives.
  • The physicians group and some lawmakers accuse the EPA of spinning volunteers' participation as "making the world a better and healthier place" instead of fully informing them of the risks. They cite a 2011 Congressional hearing where EPA representative Lisa Jackson stated that inhaling particulate matter causes premature death.
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  • dsr70
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    There is no difference between the thinking in the Obama admin and totalitarian regimes. That is, the right, decency, and inherent value of a single human is worth nothing compared to the collective ideal of the moment. Elections, law, rules, and the Constitution are pesky impediments to their goals. We the people are eggs, and they're making an omelette.
    11 Apr, 12:23 PM Reply Like
  • Tricky
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    Well... since the doctors are citing that this practice has been in place for the last 10 years, it would appear that the Obama Administration is not the only one doing it.

     

    You might have had a good rant if you had generalized it to "the government".
    11 Apr, 12:34 PM Reply Like
  • Topcat
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    So, you are for a stronger EPA? I.e. better reporting, stronger business regulation when appropriate for human health? And you think Obama is against that and only for big business?
    11 Apr, 12:48 PM Reply Like
  • haaggus
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    It's called collectivism. I'd say about 90% of all people who work in the government are collectivists, otherwise how can they live with themselves? If I worked for the government... actually wait, I just never would. Ever. I'm not a loser.
    11 Apr, 12:55 PM Reply Like
  • dsr70
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    @tricky, it seems these were 2010 and 2011 experiments on people. http://bit.ly/1fzKrrt
    11 Apr, 01:08 PM Reply Like
  • Tricky
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    I'm a centrist who seeks to be intellectually honest. I was going off the Current. I had never heard of the Daily Caller. Based upon an open-minded perusal just now, sorry, I can't take that source seriously (anymore than I'd take MSNBC seriously as a source). I tried Googling this, but just keep coming up with this Seeking Alpha current, the AAPS press release (which doesn't specify the timeline), and EPA (which I'm going to dismiss as non-objective on the matter).
    11 Apr, 01:19 PM Reply Like
  • dsr70
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    @tricky, ABC News/AP on this: http://abcn.ws/1kR7a2h

     

    left leaning site: http://bit.ly/1kR77DG [has photo of the exposure chamber]

     

    As a centrist, you're being lulled into rejecting the content of the news based on its source. This is how the dominant media operates: ignore or downplay a story, then discredit it based on the fact that "only" some other media covers it.

     

    Use your own mind. Is this consistent with the government-centered mindset that dominates the Obama admin? Does the EPA's response, defending exposing individuals for the collective good, strike you as Orwellian?

     

    It's worth a fair discussion without dismissing the story because it's being little reported.
    11 Apr, 02:06 PM Reply Like
  • Tricky
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    Did you read your own link? I'm not disputing that it happened. I'm replying that it appears to have happened across multiple administrations. So there's nothing er "uniquely totalitarian" about the Obama Administration in this particular regard. So why only call out Obama?

     

    "Even worse, the EPA has openly admitted, in a now-public document detailing these bizarre medical experiments on humans, that it conducted these human experiments for the last decade:

     

    Over the last 10 years, the EPA has conducted 13 human exposure studies using CAPS and four studies using diesel exhaust."
    11 Apr, 02:14 PM Reply Like
  • dsr70
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    @tricky, If you want to throw the 10-11 year line around, why not throw the ABC News article's 40 year line around? We have never seen this level of testing without disclosure and consent, and with the Orwellian, collectivist ends-justifies-the-means argument when caught, on top of the IRS investigating opponents, the rewriting of health and immigration laws, etc. The totality of this administration we have never seen before.
    12 Apr, 01:26 AM Reply Like
  • Tricky
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    40 years -- okay. Even more proof that people in power like to abuse it, no matter what their political persuasion.
    12 Apr, 09:20 AM Reply Like
  • saratogahawk
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    If this had happened when I worked at EPA decades ago someone at EPA would have gone to jail for this.
    11 Apr, 01:48 PM Reply Like
  • saratogahawk
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    When I was there EPA was obliged to provide any human participants with a "full" and complete disclosure of any potential risks. Anything short of full disclosure was sure to get one fired and likely prosecuted.
    11 Apr, 02:15 PM Reply Like
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