Obamacare signs up 8M


Eight million people have enrolled for health insurance under Obamacare, President Obama said yesterday, easily surpassing earlier projections by the Congressional Budget Office for 6-7M signups by the end of March.

The high number of enrollments was achieved despite the technical problems that the online exchanges suffered, particularly when the Affordable Care Act was launched last year.

Around 35% of those who purchased coverage were people under 35, who are thought to be less likely need to treatment and so can help balance the cost of claims for those who need care.

However, Obama didn't provide details about the number of enrollees who already had insurance before Obamacare was introduced.

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  • klj126
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    Wasn't aware MO was in the healthcare business
    18 Apr 2014, 04:14 AM Reply Like
  • Tricky
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    Yes, as a supplier of patients
    18 Apr 2014, 07:41 AM Reply Like
  • ara1029
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    Altria is a diversified company, yes. But Healthcare they are most certainly not. When is this going to be corrected? The humor in this has passed.
    18 Apr 2014, 05:24 AM Reply Like
  • dahlingbebe
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    8 Million have "bought" Obamacare? I think that is 8 million signed up for it.
    They do not know, or just aren't telling, how many have paid.
    18 Apr 2014, 05:35 AM Reply Like
  • tkg2902
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    "Bought" is a strange word. Signed up, I might believe that, if I heard from any other source but Obama. But actually paid for it? Really?
    18 Apr 2014, 09:12 AM Reply Like
  • auto44
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    This reminds me of the phony enemy body counts during the Viet-nam war. Trying to justify the war by comparing their deaths to ours. Politicians never change. UGH!
    18 Apr 2014, 10:06 AM Reply Like
  • DrP79
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    body counts - I have not heard that term in years since Watergate timeframe. Yet it is an apt analogy.

     

    Funny how the leftists also have taken on the IRS scandals. They want the US to be inward focused and leave our allies in the lurch.
    18 Apr 2014, 10:14 AM Reply Like
  • ScooterSC
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    When the get that first bill, they will look at it and throw it in the trash can saying "chit, Bama said it was free."
    18 Apr 2014, 03:00 PM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    "We have to uh -uh pass it before we uh-uh can tell you what's in it."Democrat Nancy Pelosi Known evil politician.
    "The trick is to completely own 1 party outright and then control 1/2 of the other party."
    One of the most evil people on the planet .Geo. Soros
    18 Apr 2014, 08:50 PM Reply Like
  • Moon Kil Woong
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    A lot don't need to pay and a lot are signing up because of the government subsidy. In the end, without the taxpayer many will fall back off and it is not really sustainable since many of the rest know their health costs far exceed any payout if any they must make.

     

    Face it, your rates are set to spiral up sooner or later.
    19 Apr 2014, 01:42 AM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Yigal Grayeff
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    The word "bought" has been changed to "enrolled".

     

    Yigal
    20 Apr 2014, 05:14 AM Reply Like
  • mbn
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    I wonder how many were "forced" to buy Obamacare coverage due to the fact that their previous plan was killed by Obamacare.

     

    If you like your health plan you can keep your health plan...........OPS!!!!
    18 Apr 2014, 06:39 AM Reply Like
  • AZ Desert Trader
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    Ted is that you?
    18 Apr 2014, 07:11 AM Reply Like
  • vinhvo66@yahoo.com
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    My friend and his wife (Annual Income: $60,000/year) signed up and the monthly premium is $800, out of pocket cost: $12,000/year, deductible: $3,000.
    18 Apr 2014, 10:17 AM Reply Like
  • bgold1955
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    (800*12)/60,000 = 13.3% of annual pay for insurance premiums. Better than what they would of got in the pre-ACA individual market for a comprehensible plan. They will also get cost free, deductible does not apply, annual physicals, colonoscopies, mammograms and other preventable type procedures.

     

    Additional, healthcare providers are compensated based on quality of care vs quantity. Since hospitals will not be reimbursed for re-hospitalization of patients when it has been determined negligence, infectious rates while in the hospital have dropped dramatically saving many lives. It's all about the dollar. You are now seeing the beginning of better care at more reasonable prices for GOOD & USEFUL healthcare plans.

     

    Seems like a lot of folks are clueless on ACA and are following their political leanings.
    18 Apr 2014, 11:55 AM Reply Like
  • JD in NJ
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    Well that is certainly cheaper than what I am able to get in NJ. And even the the $1117 a month I'm paying for the family is only because I am gaming the system by purchasing a group plan for my small business, with two members: Me and my wife. The kids are on her policy.

     

    Maybe I should look in the exchanges and see what's available there, but I was put off the whole system when it first went 'live' but didn't work at all. I figured I could wait it out and then cancel my company policy whenever I wish, creating a 'life event' that will qualify me to sign up outside of the usual time frame.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:28 PM Reply Like
  • bgold1955
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    JD.... Buddy of mine has a small business & he did what you did & chose to go with same business plan due to the roll-out mess & perhaps his political leaning. By doing so, he is now 1) paying more for his wife & his non ACA plan ( she has a chronic condition) & 2) prevented his 11 employees from getting cheaper plans via ACA as you don't qualify for subsides if your employer offers insurance. Employees are commissioned based paid & would qualify for subsidies.

     

    His employees are not happy with his decision after realizing the situation & he is now planning on trying to reverse.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:43 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    You can't claim something is a success under penalty of law if you don't do it.
    18 Apr 2014, 05:03 PM Reply Like
  • Sirocco110
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    Well...it IS the "Affordable Healthcare Act". But they didn't say for whom.
    18 Apr 2014, 06:33 PM Reply Like
  • Sirocco110
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    And you can keep your doctor!
    18 Apr 2014, 06:34 PM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    The clueless one's are the fools that are for it when they will be the real losers. They won't buy it when they find out that Obama used them like cheap prostitutes .
    18 Apr 2014, 08:56 PM Reply Like
  • Moon Kil Woong
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    This is reminiscent to the tea tax, stamp tax, poll tax, and tax on salt. Forcing you to do something by punishing you for not is in itself an assault on freedom whether it's the draft or forcing you to sell your gold by making accumulating anything but gold coins and jewelry illegal (yes the US actually did this to its own citizens). As long as the negative incentive remains it's not capitalism or a market success by any means.
    19 Apr 2014, 05:03 AM Reply Like
  • tomdgascop
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    How on Gods earth can you believe a thing the Obama administration says. For 6 months they had no idea about the numbers now they come up with these numbers wow. But they can’t tell you who how many of those who loss their insurance are counted in their numbers and how many on Medicare . Lets not forget I’m one of the lucky ones
    a union worker still have insurance paying more for deductible, and my prescriptions have tripled. Just wait till ever thing kicks in after the elections than the pain comes. You watch how the price of insurance will skyrocket.My union change insurance carriers my wife doctor OB/GYN when we called up to tell of the change they don’ take any insurance from the affordable exchange luckily we our not yet on the exchange because we are union,but it’s coming
    18 Apr 2014, 07:48 AM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    The unions helped get this pig passed, why should i feel bad for you, when you were thinking you were screwing over everyone else and weren't going to feel the pain yourself? You fell victim to democrats identity politics, soon you'll get to "find out what's in it", as soon as the "war on women" is over in November.
    18 Apr 2014, 08:28 AM Reply Like
  • berbno1
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    Red States "win?" The Supreme Court ruled that states could decline ACA’s Medicaid expansion without facing a penalty, the justices set in motion a process that’s now pushing our two countries even further apart as about half of the states passed on the opportunity to insure their poorer residents.

     

    Obamacare Is Widening the Gap Between “Red” and “Blue” America

     

    http://bit.ly/1r4zSP9
    18 Apr 2014, 08:38 AM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    "passed on the opportunity" to sign up a bunch of people on medicaid for "free" for a few years and then watch the state budget implode when the Feds don't cover it anymore or cover a lot less. The government is borrowing money to bribe states to expand their medicaid roles. By the way we are over 17 trillion in debt and when interest rates normalize the interest is going to kill us, oh, and the unfunded liability is over 100 trillion on entitlements. Now here's the point where you bring up Iraq.
    18 Apr 2014, 08:43 AM Reply Like
  • auto44
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    cool cat@ The interest is going to kill citizens not the government. The government can print the money. It is the inflation and wealth destruction it will create that will kill those of us who may be left.
    18 Apr 2014, 10:14 AM Reply Like
  • larrykat
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    Is the above a Seeking Alpha prohibited statement? Seems like it contains political debate to me. I guess "political debate" is in the eye of the beholder, right, Seeking Alpha drones?
    18 Apr 2014, 10:15 AM Reply Like
  • Ford289HiPo
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    How are you supposed to discuss a politicized theme without delving into political debate?
    18 Apr 2014, 11:44 AM Reply Like
  • blueline
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    Who wrote this "article"?? Someone in or on Obama's payroll.

     

    The real number of people who didn't already have health insurance and have actually paid their premium (not Medicaid/welfare) is around 1 million. The 8 million number is a LIE!!

     

    Obamacare is a failure and the delay in the implementation of key areas like the employer mandate is proof. The next president will have to deal with raising premiums, limitations on care, new taxes, employer mandates and people who refuse to pay the fine/tax.

     

    Good luck Hillary!
    18 Apr 2014, 08:04 AM Reply Like
  • bgold1955
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    Blue.... Do you have an ACA healthcare plan? Well, as you know, my wife & I do and are quite pleased with 1) premiums, 2) coverage, and 3) acceptance by ALL prior health care providers. You continue to spew your hateful & inaccurate information & I will continue with my rebuttal each time. Healthcare costs, in 2008, reached just shy of 18% of THE ENTIRE GDP. Not sustainable.

     

    What is your plan? Let people die? My wife & I will save an approximately 35% in annual healthcare costs from previous individual plans that were very discriminating and flat out unethical. BTW, my wife & I are healthy pre 65 with only 1 required prescription per month. And for the last 5 years I have been paying > $ 25,000 annually? No subsidies. Who is subsidizing your health care? Perhaps the government? I guess you and your fellow like minded commentators don't like it when individual policies are now considered "a group". Absolutely ridiculous.

     

    What are some of your favorite stocks?
    18 Apr 2014, 11:40 AM Reply Like
  • mrdirt
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    Fine print: State can seize your assets to pay for care after you’re forced into Medicaid by Obamacare
    http://bit.ly/1eQP5Ui
    18 Apr 2014, 12:29 PM Reply Like
  • bgold1955
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    Mrdirt... If some states have relaxed asset entry requirements for Medicaid compliance, this could cause issues & another solution needs to be provided. However, in the state I live in they have not relaxed asset requirements. This is a state by state issue that is, IMO, unintended and should be resolved quickly. Interesting article. Thanks for sharing.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:53 PM Reply Like
  • blueline
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    1955,

     

    I will take you at your word regarding your coverage but if it's true you are in the extreme minority!

     

    The administration now admits the premiums will go up at least 10% per year not the false claim that premiums would go down $2,500 per year.

     

    My premiums doubled this year. They went up to pay for all the free stuff you and your wife are getting! I hope you enjoy benefiting from other peoples hard work.
    18 Apr 2014, 06:36 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    Blue,

     

    Sounds like bgold1955 is saving more than $2500/year. Perhaps he is the type of "average American family" to which Obama was referencing.

     

    Our [evilly subsidized corporate] healthcare insurance premiums went up 18.8% for 2014. A similar policy on "the exchange" is more expensive than that. We do not qualify for subsidies. When corporations stop offering insurance later this year (they will not increase wages to make up the difference), we'll have to get one of those "affordable", high deductible, high out-of-pocket Obama plans which will mean paying more for less.

     

    I didn't have to "pass it to see what's in it"... I knew it would just be another case of bending over and taking it from our benevolent government.
    18 Apr 2014, 07:53 PM Reply Like
  • getreal10000
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    @bgold1955

     

    You say you're happy with your ACA plan and the cost of premiums. Just curious, are you receiving taxpayer-funded subsidies? If so, you're welcome. In addition to paying my own expensive premiums, I'm paying for anyone who claims need, for whatever reason.

     

    And please knock off the hyperbole. Nobody is talking about letting people die, or even spewing "hateful and inaccurate information" except those who take their cues from Obama. Just because he talks like that doesn't mean you have to parrot him.

     

    I know many young people whose premiums, deductibles and co-pays have gone up (sometimes by quite a lot), while their doctor/hospital access has declined. For instance, in my area: "New York has a particularly bleak outlook. Memorial Sloan-Kettering in New York City is only fully covered by two of nine insurers in city, and has out-of-network agreements with another two ... "

     

    If you had health insurance you were happy with, that got cancelled due to Obamacare, the chances are great your new insurance is inferior. Or it's more comprehensive and expensive than what you wanted/needed.

     

    The law still polls highly unpopular despite a massive ongoing PR campaign - funded by us taxpayers - and yet the president urges Democrats to run on it in 2014. Good luck with that...and see you at the polls. In the meantime, I'll be doing everything I can to raise awareness so people aren't duped yet again.
    18 Apr 2014, 09:34 PM Reply Like
  • charliezap
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    """The real number of people who didn't already have health insurance and have actually paid their premium (not Medicaid/welfare) is around 1 million. The 8 million number is a LIE!!"""

     

    Do you have an inside source that you would like to share with us, or is it just your ideological "gut" that is telling us this? Or is it the propaganda channel, Fox "News" that is telling you this? Or even worse, Fox Business?

     

    I'm thankful that the United States has finally joined the ranks of the 30 other countries (which includes countries such as Turkey and Mexico) that have universal health care. Why? Because we are all part of one big community, and I believe we have a moral obligation to support the less fortunate among us, especially in this age of inequality. Its just too bad that we did not go the single payer route, like Canada (where polls show that Canadians would rather have their system than the US "system" by a ratio of 9 to 1).

     

    Also, BTW, our single payer system, Medicare, has administrative costs of about 5% - 10%, compared with private insurers, such as United Health Care, that have overhead costs and profit that amount to 25% to 30%. But Obama chose to keep the private insurers in the game, in order to placate criticism from the right and to get the votes in Congress. Unfortunately, he got no thanks from the right. Republicans continue with their campaign to misguide the public, to the detriment of the United States and its people!
    19 Apr 2014, 09:45 AM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    Go to get treated at a state run hospital in a South American country, please. You have no idea what you are talking about.
    19 Apr 2014, 09:49 AM Reply Like
  • getreal10000
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    @charliezap

     

    Fox News is just a little blip on the screen compared to the the propaganda machine called the Obama administration. The power of the office is enormous. They have unlimited funding, corrupt media anxious to curry favor or afraid to get on the WH s**t list, like-minded celebrities to spread the word, and most chillingly certain government agencies geared up to squelch naysayers using means we haven't seen since the Nixon years. I think most Americans would be shocked if they knew what went on behind the scenes. These are ruthless people, make no mistake.

     

    If you don't believe me, read up on CBS's Sharyl Attkisson or Jill Abramson, executive editor of the NYT.

     

    The O. administration won't release unflattering statistics, yet takes to the airwaves at the slightest bit of positive news. They've delayed almost half the law so its negative effects won't be revealed until after the 2014 elections.

     

    About 6 million Americans have had their insurance plans cancelled, and a consistent 50+% of Americans want the law repealed - yet the president pretends these people don't exist while his minions do everything in their power to shut them up.

     

    Now please tell me again who is trying to mislead the public?

     

    As a side note, I recently returned from overseas where REAL inequality exists. I'm tired of hearing about how unfair this country is.
    19 Apr 2014, 11:11 AM Reply Like
  • ianxponent
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    getreal10000: "a consistent 50+% of Americans want the law repealed"

     

    Really? Not according to the latest polling http://bit.ly/Pg4C3k where far more people want to keep and/or improve the law than repeal it. Or maybe you're looking at "unskewed" polls like the ones that showed Romney in a landslide over Obama last fall. LOL!
    19 Apr 2014, 11:29 AM Reply Like
  • charliezap
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    @getreal
    According to the link below, the USA ranks 80th among 133 countries on the inequality scale. Of course, there are some countries where inequality is greater than in the US, but do we really want to follow the examples of Argentina, China, or Nigeria?
    19 Apr 2014, 12:13 PM Reply Like
  • berbno1
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    getreal10000: "a consistent 50+% of Americans want the law repealed"

     

    You have to check the source...a majority of Americans are in favor of the provisions of the ACA, but a majority of Americans are opposed to Obamacare. The difference between the two are those being duped by the GOP with mis-information.

     

    btw: please, please encourage the GOP to continue the single issue campaign promise to repeal ACA for the 2014 elections.
    19 Apr 2014, 12:22 PM Reply Like
  • charliezap
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    Here is the link:

     

    http://bit.ly/Pgfb6G
    19 Apr 2014, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • getreal10000
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    I should have said 50+% are opposed to the law. My source for all polling data is RealClearPolitics, which averages together a variety of polls. The latest has those opposed at 52.3% with 39.8% in favor.
    http://bit.ly/1eNPMIz

     

    FWIW, I do support several parts of the ACA. Not discriminating against those with pre-existing conditions and no lifetime caps are no-brainers that could have been enacted without putting our health system under government control. I suspect that's why some people are opposed to Obamacare but don't want the law repealed outright. And in this sorry economy, it's probably a good idea to allow kids to stay on their parents' plan.
    19 Apr 2014, 02:28 PM Reply Like
  • getreal10000
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    Tell President Obama. Economic inequality has greatly worsened under his tenure.
    19 Apr 2014, 02:33 PM Reply Like
  • ianxponent
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    getreal10000: "Not discriminating against those with pre-existing conditions and no lifetime caps are no-brainers that could have been enacted without putting our health system under government control."

     

    You can't have no discrimination against those with pre-existing conditions without also having the individual mandate which of course is the most unpopular part of the ACA. The Heritage Foundation realized that back in the 1980's-90's. I don't "approve" of the ACA because it doesn't go far enough but I don't want to repeal it just make it better. Increasingly, there a lot of folks who agree with me. Outright repeal is unpopular and getting more so. So let the GOP run on that and see how far it gets them.
    19 Apr 2014, 02:50 PM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    "Don't repeal just make it better", you could've said that for the status quo before this pig. Obama himself isn't obeying his own law, he's made over 30 illegal changes already. If it's so good why is he delaying things til after the election? Exactly, it's not about healthcare, it's about control.
    19 Apr 2014, 04:07 PM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    @ Charlie zap

     

    Hitler was a big advocate of State run healthcare . How did that work?
    And do you believe we can improve the economy with another "Jobless Recovery" ? This policy of theft by Obama's policies of our freedom is about as likely to work as a porcupine in a balloon factory. Unless you leftwingnuts have unicorns working 24/7 to undo what is currently happening in the current administration.
    19 Apr 2014, 04:12 PM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    GIGO Charlie. faulty premise on your part. I like Liberty instead of the Nannystate. I feel much more equal when freedom exists.
    19 Apr 2014, 04:14 PM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    coolcat . GREAT point. Obama's Executive orders are illegal according to the law . FDR used an executive order to roundup a group of people ,put them in "camps" and steal their property.So Obama will do worse because he is even more evil than FDR was.
    19 Apr 2014, 04:17 PM Reply Like
  • bill d
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    Re -"Its just too bad that we did not go the single payer route, like Canada (where polls show that Canadians would rather have their system than the US "system" by a ratio of 9 to 1)."
    Obviously a gov't poll. Why else do Canadians come here for health care? The waiting lists are well known. Talk to a Canadian if you want the facts. I certainly don't hear them praising their system or slamming ours. But that will probably change.
    19 Apr 2014, 08:41 PM Reply Like
  • bill d
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    Yep and when he instituted gun control in 1937 he declared Germany will now become the most safest country in the world. See history starting to repeat itself? You will.
    19 Apr 2014, 08:45 PM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    My dads friend from Canada, a snowbird who spend winters in Florida, died waiting for a hip replacement from Canada.......good news though.......Canada has cheaper healthcare costs..........oh, and a case of beer is $6000, to help pay for the cheap healthcare.
    19 Apr 2014, 08:46 PM Reply Like
  • charliezap
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    """My dads friend . . . died waiting for a hip replacement from Canada . . """

     

    He surely didn't die because he needed a hip replacement. If the operation had been done in the USA, it would have cost $40,000 or more. And your friend would have been $40,000 poorer (assuming he was the sole heir).

     

    """[In Canada,]a case of beer is $6000. Really? Shows just how much you know. A case of 24 Molson beers is $27 to $46, depending on the province, according to the source below:

     

    http://bit.ly/1pjqqfa
    20 Apr 2014, 12:01 AM Reply Like
  • charliezap
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    @bill d
    According to this link, 82% of Canadians said they would prefer the Canadian health care system to the American system, versus 8% who said they would prefer the US system. That's a ratio of over 10 to 1.

     

    PS: It was not a government poll.

     

    http://bit.ly/1toBgAc
    20 Apr 2014, 07:21 AM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    ....and Americans are happy with their healthcare. People are generally content with what they have, they like what they know. If Canadians are happy with having the same amount of MRI machines as New York City has that's fine. What i'd like to experience is how content the world would be with their healthcare if the US wasn't subsidizing everyone that put price caps on drugs. It takes approximately a billion dollars to bring a drug to market, and if it weren't for the US market there would be a lot fewer drug discoveries considering drug companies would never see a profit.
    20 Apr 2014, 08:39 AM Reply Like
  • berbno1
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    true, but I can't figure...getting ready to go to Peru. There is a shortage of yellow fever vaccine. And there is supposedly only one manufacturer of it. Consequently it's pretty expensive and our new health plan (and nothing to do with ACA) excludes all meds for traveling. But if I get yellow fever it would cover the hospital costs...go figure.
    20 Apr 2014, 01:17 PM Reply Like
  • bill d
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    We may have to repeal it so we can see what happens (where have I heard something like that before????)
    20 Apr 2014, 01:58 PM Reply Like
  • blueline
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    Even the link in this article from Reuters doesn't say bought!

     

    "He announced that 8 million people had now signed up for health insurance"

     

    Does the author understand that signing up is different than buying? Even among those who have paid their first months premium, there will be drop outs in the 2nd month, 3rd month, 4th month.

     

    The last thing on an under 35 year olds list of priorities is health insurance premiums. Rent, care payment, utilities, food, beer, gas, student loan, cell phone, etc, etc. will come first.
    18 Apr 2014, 08:14 AM Reply Like
  • DrGarnicus
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    Right on!
    18 Apr 2014, 11:34 AM Reply Like
  • DrP79
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    8 million is the GROSS number

     

    - how many lost their insurance due to the law
    - how many have actually paid for it instead of signing up
    - how many have signed up for the Medicare that the states have to pay for
    - what are the demographics of the enrollees

     

    How many NET new folks have insurance that they did not

     

    After we find out the NET users, we then can turn to the COST

     

    - is the insurance as good as what they formerly had
    - what will be the effect on health care providers, hospitals
    - what is the effect on full time employment
    - how many folks have been changed to part time employment
    - how many folks have lost their jobs or not been hired
    - are the number and demographics of the enrollees actuarialy viable
    - what are the additional tax and regulatory burdens
    18 Apr 2014, 08:55 AM Reply Like
  • TAS
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    We'll see in November just how popular this program is.

     

    Having insurance and having insurance that actually pays --not being just a catastrophic policy is important. This is where ObamaCare collapses, big time.

     

    Score a big win for Republicans.
    18 Apr 2014, 09:13 AM Reply Like
  • alterami
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    Title is a lie. Obamacare didn't "sign" up that many, unless you count people who had their insurance canceled and people who signed up for Medicaid...a program that already existed. Obamacare is just trying to take credit where no credit is due.
    18 Apr 2014, 09:40 AM Reply Like
  • Michael Kudrna
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    About 50% or so of Twitter users never posted once or even filled out their profile....are they really Twitter users or is the total number that includes them really useful at all?

     

    Is that the same standards used for the 8 million?
    18 Apr 2014, 10:00 AM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    It's amazing with all the koolaid drinking Obanite Democrats that voted multiple times that the best number they could use in their lie is 8 million. If they just told them they could have more food stamps with their fake sign up they could have gotten 30 million at the very least.
    18 Apr 2014, 08:45 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    1.2 million o'care enrollees in Ca.
    http://cbsloc.al/1eQyQqd

     

    1.1 million lose insurance in Ca
    http://cbsloc.al/1eQyQqd
    18 Apr 2014, 10:17 AM Reply Like
  • sabresfan21
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    If that 8 million number (or any number above the expected COB estimated enrollment) is exaggerated, I would think the Republicans would be all over that in a second.

     

    So I tend to believe that is an accurate number because it could easily be verified in an audit. And trust me, anything positive about Obamacare will be scrutinized and investigated more closely than anything Congress has ever looked (especially that whole yellow cake uranium claim that triggered a decade long war).
    18 Apr 2014, 10:23 AM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    It doesn't surprise me you're a Sabres fan.
    18 Apr 2014, 10:29 AM Reply Like
  • AdamDivy
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    Watching Obama talk about it is frustrating.

     

    Middle class is getting screwed. My old insurance plan was fine. It was the cheapest plan available and was affordable.

     

    Now... monthly premium doubled, insurance plan got TWICE as bad/expensive, 6300 single deductible, cash for all medicine, $60 co-pay just to see the doc.

     

    I make barely over the amount that I could get assistance.

     

    Too many people think they deserve help and/or free assistance. I just want to pay a fair price and not have to pay for the people that are getting assistance.
    18 Apr 2014, 11:17 AM Reply Like
  • sabresfan21
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    You must be an outlier. Health care cost increases the past fews years have been the lowest on record since WWII.
    18 Apr 2014, 11:25 AM Reply Like
  • AdamDivy
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    What does that have to do with the middle class getting screwed? Health care costs not going up in the last few years was good. Now everything just about went up 100% in 1 year or really instantly when Obamacare went into effect.
    18 Apr 2014, 11:52 AM Reply Like
  • bgold1955
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    Again, ACA clueless. Any plan renewed after March 2010 had to incorporate ACA requirements. Corps & Government renew their policies annually so, therefore, a majority of plans were ACA compliant by March 2011 at the latest.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:18 PM Reply Like
  • AdamDivy
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    bgold - I can't tell what your reply is refferring to.

     

    My plan that I had for years was cancelled January 1, 2014 because it supposedly did not meet the requirements. It was the cheapest plan, premium wise. Now I have the cheapest plan offered but it costs as much as one of the middle of the line plans used to cost with 4x worse coverage and costs.
    18 Apr 2014, 01:35 PM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    Yeah, mine went up too. It was a choice between doubling my deductible or eating a 26% premium hike. Nothing like choices.
    18 Apr 2014, 11:26 AM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    Im sure sabres will be able to rationalize your situation without bringing fault to the ACA. My guess is something to the effect of you didn't shop around or your prior plan wasn't good enough.
    18 Apr 2014, 11:43 AM Reply Like
  • caupachow
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    I don't know why but it still astounds me that there are ones who actually defend this crap and this administration. Anyone with a brain knows that 0bamacare won't work, it is simple 1st grade math people. Sure the government will throw tons of money at it and guess what; IT WON'T WORK! It is not sustainable. And to coolcat, I'm with you, after 2016 if they (fed) raise interest rates then things will get very interesting. By then 19 trillion and still less people working than in Jan 2008.
    18 Apr 2014, 11:49 AM Reply Like
  • TAS
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    I would love to be on the other side of trades with folks who actually can be sold the ObamaCare bill of goods.

     

    Easy pickings.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:10 PM Reply Like
  • bgold1955
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    What astounds me is that so many people "follow" others in their hatred. If ACA needs improvement, improve it by acting like adults (congress) and do SOMETHING for our country for a change.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:21 PM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    The ole, "anyone who doesn't agree with a liberal is a hater" chestnut. Sure beats thinking.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    Read above, the "You're wrong because you disagree with me and Im much smarter than you" mantra came out as well.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:35 PM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    What also came out was the, "we rammed it through using parliamentary tricks on Christmas Eve along strictly party lines, now act like adults, it's the law of the land!"
    18 Apr 2014, 12:40 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    Yeah, but aren't we free to pick and choose which laws we follow, or is that only for the gov. when they need to delay undesirable results of legislation they've passed?
    18 Apr 2014, 12:44 PM Reply Like
  • DrP79
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    change is not always reform.

     

    The best change would have been to let the market work instead of this Rube Goldberg contraption that even its proponents do not understand. The rules are still not in place after missing many deadlines.

     

    Yet the argument what is the replacement is a red herring. There were numerous ideas that were not even allowed to be discussed as the law was rammed through on a party line vote. Many of the "unintended consequences" were brought up at the time.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:46 PM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    The employer mandate was going to lower costs so much for businesses that he decided to put it off til after the election, just to give republicans a fair chance. That Obama, he's alright. Right now i'm basking in the $2500 Obama saved my family, i think i'll go to Bermuda.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:49 PM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    I don't think it was really designed to work, i forgot which nutjob democrat said it but this is only a "stepping stone" or "Starter House" before single payer government controlled healthcare. You think healthcare is expensive now, just wait til it's free ;).
    18 Apr 2014, 12:54 PM Reply Like
  • bill d
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    Or how about we must pass it so we know what's in it????
    18 Apr 2014, 03:08 PM Reply Like
  • Sirocco110
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    What astounds me is that so called capitalists are so willing to buy into this Socialist BS.
    18 Apr 2014, 06:44 PM Reply Like
  • TAS
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    You are spot on bgold1955.....

     

    Congress: REPEAL IT.
    18 Apr 2014, 10:40 PM Reply Like
  • JD in NJ
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    TAS

     

    They've tried. I think the count is now 60 times.

     

    Personally I'm still waiting to hear about the brilliant and much better ideas that the Republicans have to offer us. They have cried out about repeal and replace, but if they had such amazing and wonderful concepts in mind that we'd all jump at them, why didn't they, you know, make them known?

     

    I'm not at all pleased with the law we got. There are real and substantive issues with it. There are certainly a lot of people posting here who sound horribly angry about ACA, so what's the alternative? Offer the American people ideas instead of sound bites. Offer a plan that goes beyond "undo what Obama did". Offer some damned leadership instead of sounding like a bunch of children whining that they didn't get the longest french fry.

     

    Or, you know, you can just say "Benghazi" a few hundred more times. I'm sure that will help to address the cost issues in the American health care system quite effectively.

     

    Right about now is when people start yelling at me about being a Democrat or a socialist. Not really, no. My only real political leaning is "away" as I find both major parties distasteful in the extreme. It's simply that at the moment it's the right side of the aisle that is raising my ire in this discussion. I just want to be able to afford to pay for health care for my family, and I want my 11 and 13 year old boys to have some prospect of doing the same. I don't care one whit what party a person belongs to if they come up with good ideas, and I'd recommend the same to any thoughtful person.
    19 Apr 2014, 06:47 AM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    How about those Executive Orders? That's some improvement how the Liberals want everyone to go along with their "decrees"
    19 Apr 2014, 08:37 AM Reply Like
  • Tricky
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    Good morning DrP79,

     

    Respectfully, I don't agree that "what is the replacement is a red herring". There weren't really any serious proposals from the Reps on how to improve healthcare finance. I am *very* sympathetic with the one topic they'd occasionally raise -- tort reform. But that isn't a magic bullet. During the time that ACA was being shaped, the only GOP focus was "we're going to make Obama a 1-term POTUS". Well, I can certainly understand that as a political goal. But what were the legislative goals? Early on Obama wanted some GOP votes and -- I believe -- would have made some horse trades to get the votes. But all the GOP was interested in doing was trying to make Obama look bad. So he hardened and then started the more "black hat" maneuvers. And, in the words of a now legendary conservative column, conservatives "suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s".

     

    http://bit.ly/1mkZOs8

     

    I don't like what we have. But I have not yet heard any serious proposals from the GOP as to how it would address: 1) catastrophic medical bills are one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in the US, 2) the US generally spends more per person and gets worse outcomes than the despised 1-payor systems from benchmark countries, and 3) people unfortunate to have a serious medical condition while young (e.g., my 30 year old neighbor who survived breast cancer) found themselves practically uninsurable.

     

    I have every confidence that bright conservative minds have some great ideas that would greatly improve healthcare finance in the US. But all we keep hearing is "repeal ACA". Okay, I'm open minded. But then... what?
    19 Apr 2014, 08:54 AM Reply Like
  • ianxponent
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    Tricky: "But all we keep hearing is "repeal ACA". Okay, I'm open minded. But then... what?"
    The GOP has had five years to present a detailed alternative to Obamacare that would accomplish the same goals. That they haven't should tell you all you need to know. The simple fact is as long as you assume that insurance companies have to play the key role in any system, then there really isn't any other alternative to what we've ended up with. Heck, even the Heritage Foundation recognized that back in the 1990's when it proposed what it considered a market solution that wound up forming the basis for both Romneycare and Obamacare.

     

    For my part, I'd much sooner have had some version of single payer because it would be far simpler and cheaper to achieve universal coverage. Based on their actions for the past five years, I don't really think the GOP wants any change to our healthcare system. As long as they have good insurance they don't really care about anyone else.
    19 Apr 2014, 09:49 AM Reply Like
  • getreal10000
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    coolcat - that nutjob was Harry Reid who I consider a real lowlife, and great post above about "don't repeal, just make it better." I completely agree.
    19 Apr 2014, 05:15 PM Reply Like
  • Daniel5150
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    Crap and administration fit perfectly caupachow.This is the biggest joke and waste i have ever encountered. I signed up for this mess months ago but have yet to actually PAY for my coverage as of yet.Totally screwed up situation.

     

    Happy Easter everyone!
    18 Apr 2014, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    This is what you get when someone has a laser focus on jobs.
    18 Apr 2014, 12:34 PM Reply Like
  • bgold1955
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    Then don't expect insurance when you need it if you didn't pay. Is this what all the complaining is about? You now actually have to pay for insurance. I'm beginning to understand.
    18 Apr 2014, 01:24 PM Reply Like
  • Daniel5150
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    Bgold

     

    Kind of hard to pay for anything when one has not received payment notification or anything by mail as to that affect. Was never offered the choice to pay when i enrolled over the phone. When/if i actually receive anything,i will be more that happy to shell out the money. Understand?
    18 Apr 2014, 01:45 PM Reply Like
  • coolcat28
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    Maybe it's the bad apple insurers fault.
    18 Apr 2014, 01:48 PM Reply Like
  • bill d
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    Try to use it - sure you'll find out then.
    18 Apr 2014, 03:10 PM Reply Like
  • DougRk
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    Pretty easy to sign people up when _it's required by law_ and it's something like health insurance, which is _life and death_ in many case. What a joke.
    18 Apr 2014, 02:21 PM Reply Like
  • DevilDog85
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    If Obama or his administration tells you anything, rest assure it is a lie! It is the progressive way.
    18 Apr 2014, 02:28 PM Reply Like
  • ScooterSC
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    if those lips are moving, he is lying.
    18 Apr 2014, 03:11 PM Reply Like
  • ianxponent
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    Signed up for better coverage at same price I had been paying. Got a bill, paid it and coverage starts May 1. I couldn't be happier. The GOP repeals it at their own peril.
    18 Apr 2014, 03:05 PM Reply Like
  • MortyLong
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    It's going to hurt EVERYONE that lacks the ability to pay theirs and their family's ENTIRE cost of care, regardless of medical condition. I bought insurance without fail, budgeted and went without after seeing child through catastrophic illness. Facing catastrophic illness myself, ironic this discussion started under MO, no matter how much you save (or I thought I saved), nothing can really protect from clauses that state, any medication can be refused at anytime for coverage under the plan and denied payment, even if is was covered before. If it isn't over 60 years old, if it isn't the cheapest drug available, they will exhaust your appeals, they will exhaust your physicians' abilities to appeal and they will DENY you and yours the medications you need to fight or simply get through your "illness" w/any comfort or dignity. Thus far, medications I took in 2012, increased 1500%, with over half not being covered at all. In 2013 I lost track as I was forced to pay for virtually every medication out-of-pocket as denials and appeals became 85% of doctors'appointments. In 2014, what little was covered in 2013, no longer covered under the highest premium plan, there is no catastrophic coverage b/c this is based only off of prescriptions "covered under plan formularies", of which there aren't any that easily treat my disease or symptoms. This is not a Democrat versus Republican (or anyone in between) issue, it is a human issue that will one day affect you or someone you love. Doctors no longer determine your care, your insurer does, and now your government does via ACAs and Medicare. My doctor of 20 years informed me he was retiring as he could no longer afford to practice medicine. That the inability to provide his ailing patients with the medications they require due to the cost had left him with the final solution of doing his best to find them care with the most suitable physicians "willing to take them". My suitable physician just penned a letter of "deep regret", his practice can no longer sustain itself on Medicare or every insurance plan that links reimbursements to Medicare (too many plans to list), and he is forced to join a concierge practice (that does not take ANY insurance). There is no doctor left that has ever treated my disease type before, I have 45 days of medication and there are now supposedly 8M patients vying for "quality healthcare" in the most dysfunctional medical system I have ever seen. If it hasn't affected you yet, it doesn't mean you shouldn't care, it is the Wild West out there, oncologists can't afford to give chemo due to below cost reimbursements and insurers can refuse a majority of prescribed medications under a little talked about hearing February 21, 2014 where the language of patient protection to secure needed medications via insurance, was forever altered. The administration didn't want insurers (all insurers) to lose their ability to "negotiate pricing" on medications, so many classes of medications have become unavailable to millions of patients simply because they are unaffordable or their diagnosis lies outside of a powerful marketing group. I was advised to stop paying my premiums, to become "indigent" then I would be eligible for the medications I need. Aside from my personal disgust and ideological differences with this recommendation, if I were to follow it, I still don't have anyone to treat me. Call your physicians and ask them if they accept any ACA or Medicare plans (they are reimbursed in the same manner), ask them how they feel? They will sigh most will avert their eyes and agree all patients deserve care but they don't believe this plan will create that care. Many will just send you a letter, unable to face you, as they have families to provide for themselves. Start reviewing your medication co-pays, many of mine are cheaper (I use that term loosely) at the local "warehouse pharmacies" than going through insurance. Oh yeah, this weeks letter, "your [insert drug name] has been raised to a Tier 4 co-pay, it may be cheaper for you to pay cash than utilize your insurance...]. Is this what any of us had in mind when the ACA was introduced? Do we need change? ABSOLUTELY! Do we need to include our physicians and patients in this discussion? ABSOLUTELY! I just pray I have the time, when will the rest of our country wake up? When will doctors start kicking and screaming loudly enough for the public to know their not so talked about secret that they are going broke, private practice is dying and good care is only given to those able to pay their way entirely. In 5 years (probably much less), if we continue as we are, the damage will be irreversible as the standard and quality of care and physicians will already be too low. The answer is not to provide everybody with equally lousy healthcare, we need to reduce bureaucracy, a start would be to free up the 40-50% of resources currently wasted on HIPPA and writing insurance appeals. Making medical school affordable to retain the best and the brightest and to have enough family care physicians to care for our growing baby boomer population. The list of needs exceeds my ability to post.
    18 Apr 2014, 03:05 PM Reply Like
  • MisterJ
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    I call this BS. In Germany there is a government-run healthcare system and nobody foregoes necessary care like they do here in the US, because people simply cannot afford it. Plus it costs less by a factor of 2-3 in Germany. It is vastly more efficient on the cost and benefit side. That's why we need a government administrated h/c system here so badly. That is, unless you want to ignore the facts and just follow your ideology blindly.
    18 Apr 2014, 03:23 PM Reply Like
  • MortyLong
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    My ideology was to NOT allow others to pay for my care. Sir we are not Germany, I have been in a European hospital room, the best room crammed 4 patients to a room w/only one visitor to make their way to their loved one. This is not how we started and there is so much to be discussed until we get there that I won't even attempt to address. Those of you outraged by the "failure of states to add more patients to Medicaid" should also know there are even less doctors accepting Medicaid patients than Medicare. The expense in filing a claim exceeds the reimbursement to the provider. I volunteer for an organization that gets good docs, and there is a difference, to see patients. You'd be surprised how many patients insist on payment and the best docs have a cash discount for uninsured or under-insured patients, resources are just very low. There just might be a few remedies we can attempt before we jump to a single-payer system. Until then, we don't throw our "neighbors" to the wolves do we? I have to literally go find "my uninsured neighbor" care on this Easter weekend so I will be attending to that. Until then, I hope we all work together to find an interim solution, energy and time better spent. Have a good weekend.
    18 Apr 2014, 05:22 PM Reply Like
  • MortyLong
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    From SA's own contributor regarding KERX:

     

    Lately, Keryx has been in the news once again, which has sent the stock surging ahead once again, up 26% since January 2014. The most recent event that is being touted as a big positive for the company is Congress' proposal to delay, by eight years, the inclusion of end-stage renal disease drugs (ESRD) into the ACA-mandated payment bundle until 2024.

     

    I don't know many ESRD patients that have 8 years to wait. Will it get covered by Medicare, you'll have to hope so everyday, if not, I'm sure it's super affordable for all.
    18 Apr 2014, 03:23 PM Reply Like
  • racchole
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    My girlfriend signed up for Obamacare and had healthcare previously. I would have to imagine that overlap is higher than most are giving it credit for.
    18 Apr 2014, 03:31 PM Reply Like
  • MortyLong
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    Wait until they need to find a doctor that accepts it. Wait until the truly I'll begin to use it, working as a healthcare consultant I can tell you, EVERY practice wants and needs (to remain financially solvent) to hold their Medicare patients to 25% of their entire practice. This paradigm is becoming very difficult as a 20 year private insurance patient turns 65, the physician is left to turn away an existing patient or refuse new patients. It is very painful for the physicians to make these decisions as they did sign up to be healers. It is shameful that the AMA doesn't address this misconception that "all doctors are wealthy". Ironically, most doctors are dependent on the same exchanges as private practitioners are small businesses. When it's good enough for our politicians (ALL), then we'll know we've made progress. We don't have the real numbers and sadly a very important serious situation has been politicized so would we even believe the truth, if we ever got it? We do need a change and we have to start somewhere but right now we don't have the infrastructure to support this plan nor do we have the proper costs, just a lot of conjecture and posturing. Politics as usual.
    18 Apr 2014, 06:05 PM Reply Like
  • Ted Bear
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    For the life of me I don't understand why people make the Affordable Care Act particularly partisan.

     

    We have a plan, as it turns out, that was forwarded by a Democratic administration. The Republicans never did put forth a plan, which tells you what that group thinks about health care for every citizen. Basically, FU; we get ours for life; you get nothing.

     

    Okay. That's their stance.

     

    Personally, I have always chosen to have health care. My only beef is that I am paying for others who choose not to have a plan.

     

    Once again, that decision is fine as long as others don't espect something for nothing.

     

    But, when pressed, I wonder how many of the folks who decry a national health care plane are willing to allow themselves, their family, and their friends, to fall by the wayside? Are THEY going to pick up the tab for an uninsured friend?

     

    Or is it going to be like this: Individual drops to the ground from an appendicitis attack, or dishevels their body in an auto crash. Paramedics arrive. The individual has no health insurance, $27 in their wallet (which won't even cover the ambulance ride), and the single credit card which they carry is maxed out at $3,000!

     

    That's it. Kick the individual to the curb. They lay there in agony until they die. The body lies there until the scavengers pick it apart. Someone will, I am sure, grab the shirt and shoes. Perhaps even grab the trousers and the blood stained underwear. The rest is left to the vultures.

     

    Quite frankly, I don't have any problem with that choice. But how many of the blowhards here who are trashing the idea of a national health care plan understand that this scenario is how they, or their children, will die if we don't insist on people having health insurance?

     

    Not many, because they have always gotten a free ride.

     

    Until now. Now it is pay as you go. Nobody is going to "pay you forward" any longer.

     

    If you don't want health insurance, I understand that choice. But, do YOU?
    18 Apr 2014, 04:13 PM Reply Like
  • MortyLong
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    For the record, I pay both for health insurance, over $1500/mo. in premiums, an absurd deductible, and 85% of my care. No, I would not leave my neighbor without care, I believe in affordable healthcare for each person, however we are not handling it in the most appropriate manner. If these comments were directed at me, walk a few days in my shoes, or a few years. Never missed a premium and never missed an opportunity to help my neighbor. The unintended consequences are not being discussed nor are the bottom line dollars being disclosed of the true costs, tangible and intangible, to providing such care. With all due respect, until you've been ill or someone you are responsible has been ill, you really don't have any idea of just what the true costs are.
    18 Apr 2014, 04:47 PM Reply Like
  • DrP79
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    The GOP put out many ideas at the time, [and continue today] but the Democrats did not even allow discussion of those ideas. Further, they filled the amendment tree so that few could get voted on, and the few allowed they rammed down on party votes.

     

    The President held a "health summit" where he insulted Rep Ryan to his face and said "I won" end of story.

     

    Many of the "unintended consequences" were well known at the time.
    19 Apr 2014, 09:00 AM Reply Like
  • ianxponent
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    DrP79: "The GOP put out many ideas at the time"

     

    Besides tort reform and being able to buy unregulated junk insurance across state lines, what are they?
    19 Apr 2014, 09:54 AM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    You wouldn't want an idea that works because it wouldn't come from Obama. Most dictators very rarely allow ideas from their opponents.
    19 Apr 2014, 04:20 PM Reply Like
  • DrP79
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    so nice that you listed two major ideas given some folks had said that NO IDEAS were proposed.

     

    Tort reform is a major way to LOWER costs. first one would not have to pay the legal costs and then we could cut down on the number of tests that are given primarily as ways to limit the legal liability rather than to provide information.

     

    Another major way to LOWER cost to cut down on required coverage. Given my age and being male, I really do not need OB/GYN coverage, regardless of what one thinks about abortion.

     

    Crossing state lines is important. There is a reason why car insurance is cheaper. More competition is a big reason as well as bigger insurance pools.

     

    Similarly, one should pay for the items that are insurable. One pays to have a car replaced not to have one's oil changed.

     

    Yet the major improvement is Health Savings Accounts, whereby individuals save their own money to pay for care. Then we can use the power of competition to actually LOWER THE COST instead of shifting the payment with additional costs.

     

    Third parties are NEVER as careful with money as those who pay their own costs.
    19 Apr 2014, 05:11 PM Reply Like
  • Hubert Biagi
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    By far the greatest expansion of the welfare state in our history. All based on borrowed money. Designed to raise the level of pandering to the ever increasing population that believes the government can provide, and should provide, cradle to grave guarantees for "success" in life. Really sad.
    18 Apr 2014, 04:17 PM Reply Like
  • Matthew Davis
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    I just want to see the break down. How many young? How many old? How many Medicaid? How many paying full price? How many are rich? How many are poor? How many are sick (have pre-existing conditions)?

     

    They won't tell us, so why should I trust this figure as accurate?
    18 Apr 2014, 05:00 PM Reply Like
  • getreal10000
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    Let's see, impose a law that cancels people's existing insurance, and make it illegal to go without. Postpone any parts of the law that dump more people from their plans or otherwise causes them to vote out your party, hoping the less-informed remain clueless. Then gloat repeatedly on national TV when surprise! a very modest number of people sign up. Rub it in everyone's faces in the most unbecoming way possible.

     

    Until they tell us how many new sign-ups were previously insured, their numbers mean very little. But they claim they don't have these figures, even though insurance industry execs say they've provided them.

     

    The president's M.O. is say anything, even something that can be proven false, and assign the worst possible motives to whoever contradicts him.

     

    And let's not forget his suggestion that some elderly people might be better off taking a pain pill than seeking surgery. Somehow I doubt when it's his turn, he'll choose to eschew potentially life-saving treatment. I wouldn't trust this liar with my dog's health care, let alone my own.
    18 Apr 2014, 07:34 PM Reply Like
  • MortyLong
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    Like it GetReal and btw, my dog gets better care than most people and animals are afforded more choices and compassion. My vet and I decide on the best course of treatment and he's uninsured! At least if the politicians charged with public service (cough, cough) are forced to take a pain pill, they will be able to afford it. Wouldn't it be nice to have the net number on who got insurance via ACA that didn't have it before? We are never going to get that number because being right not doing right has become the number one objective of our administration.
    19 Apr 2014, 09:59 PM Reply Like
  • berbno1
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    ...and it may sound a little harsh, but there is a lot less wasted end of life healthcare expenses for our pets, because we are paying out of pocket. Also suspect there is a better quality for the end of life. The hip replacement comment elsewhere, case in point.
    20 Apr 2014, 07:27 AM Reply Like
  • Daniel5150
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    @getreal

     

    Best comment i have heard yet on this subject
    Completely agree!
    18 Apr 2014, 07:38 PM Reply Like
  • getreal10000
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    Thank you, I appreciate that very much. :) I have strong feelings on the subject as you can tell!
    18 Apr 2014, 07:55 PM Reply Like
  • Hendershott
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    Deny! Deny! Deny! Can't be! Impossible! LOL
    18 Apr 2014, 09:27 PM Reply Like
  • ptetteroo@gmail.com
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    As a physician, I don't understand all this vitriol over ACA.
    Ted Bear above has it right; the only system in which your government will not subsidize medical care for those you can't afford it or choose not to pay for it is a system in which what Ted Bear describes could really happen. In fact, he uses the exact analogy I do: If a motorcyclist (a demographic which is very often uninsured) gets in an accident and has no insurance, can we drag their body to the side of the road and leave it there?
    We do not. The law already requires that everything humanly possible to save this individual will be done. And if he has no medical insurance, up to now treatment has been paid for by government.
    We are at a turning point. Our healthcare system is a complete and utter disaster. It is near collapse imo. More and more private entities are sucking money out of the system and futile end of life care is bankrupting Medicare. Our medical system is clearly and demonstrably worse, and less efficient/effective than many countries with socialized systems, anecdotal reports aside.
    It is also my opinion that it has reached it's present state because it has been buffeted by for-profit entities involved in its every facet of its operation: doctors, hospitals, pharmaceuticals, equipment and device manufacturers etx.

     

    WE WILL NEVER HAVE EFFECTIVE/EFFICIENT HEALTHCARE AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE INVOLVED HAVE A VESTED FINANCIAL INTEREST IN WHAT CARE IS PROVIDED.

     

    The private sector/capitalist system is incompatible with a working healthcare system. If physicians/hospitals/drug companies etc. profit by providing a service or product, than that service/product will be provided far far more often than necessary. If a managed care company profits by rationing care, then needed services will not be provided as nearly as much as it needed. And insurance companies have proved completely inept at controlling costs in the face of consumers/physicians demanding the latest in medical/pharmaceutical technology; those costs are simply passed on with insurance premiums, in turn, rising inexorably.

     

    If ACA gets a few more people paying into the system, or if it results in a few more people obtaining (relatively lower cost) treatment for diabetes or high blood pressure
    rather than waiting for an enormously expensive catastrophic even such as a stroke or heart attack requiring acoronary bypass procedure, I don't see how it won't help
    control overall costs in the long run.

     

    And if it leads to a rational system of care where objective institutions direct rational expenditures and healthcare provision, rather than the crazy, fragmented, mercenary system we have now, I'm all for it. I, for one, will be happy to be an employee.
    19 Apr 2014, 03:28 AM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    "system of care where objective institutions direct rational expenditures and healthcare provision, rather than the crazy, fragmented, mercenary system we have now, I'm all for it. I, for one, will be happy to be an employee."

     

    I think that's what Fidel Castro "Doctor's" told people also.
    19 Apr 2014, 04:25 PM Reply Like
  • CoinsK
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    When it comes to dealing with the government and particularly the present Obamacare TAX you to death administration,my favorite thought comes from Larry Gatlin of the Gatlin brothers.

     

    "You take your dog to a Veterinarian who also happens to be a Taxidermist ,no matter whether your dog gets better or not you will get your dog back"
    19 Apr 2014, 04:23 PM Reply Like
  • berbno1
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    Coin - not really a good analogy. U.S. healthcare system would perform all kinds of medical procedures to keep the patient "alive," ...it's their cash cow. I would gladly agree to being stuffed and mounted when the quality of life is nothing more than waiting to die.
    20 Apr 2014, 07:30 AM Reply Like
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