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Apple wins $120M from jury in Samsung dispute, far short of $2B it sought

  • Apple (AAPL) was awarded only $120M in damages from Samsung (SSNLF) late Friday by a federal jury, far short of the ~$2B it had sought and a major disappointment in its mobile smartphone patent litigation.
  • Though the verdict would appear large by normal standards, it is widely seen as a victory for Samsung: "The amount is less than 10% of the amount Apple requested, and probably doesn’t surpass by too much the amount Apple spent litigating this case," says one legal analyst.
  • The jury rejected Apple’s claim on the patent that enables updating of applications while other features of the phone are in use; Apple also lost its claim over a patent that allows a user to perform a universal search for information with a single click.
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  • pjews
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    It looks like the apples are falling from the tree. What will happen, when falls arrives. My guess is the apples will be ready for picking. It's already happen, with the iPad according to IDC stats.
    2 May, 11:46 PM Reply Like
  • Ninja Trader
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    Dream on. Apple at $700 by end of year, baby.
    2 May, 11:49 PM Reply Like
  • The Rebel
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    Apparently there weren't many Apple users on the jury. Either that, or the jury thought Apple had more than enough cash already. Typical California jury. Maybe they used the same jurors from the OJ trial.
    2 May, 11:50 PM Reply Like
  • tarheelboy
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    Very difficult to understand apple's judgement being reduced linked to its stock price. Is there a link we're all missing? The answer is NO. And though Samsung may have saved some cash, it isn't enough to affect either company. And some professor's take on this is even more irrelevant. The haters just can't get apple and it's killing all if you!! Somewhere Steve jobs is smiling because he - and his company - simply put, get it!
    3 May, 12:14 AM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    "The amount is less than 10% of the amount Apple requested, and probably doesn’t surpass by too much the amount Apple spent litigating this case"

     

    It might not surpass Apple's compensation, however, even though Apple might haven't earned any money, Samsung had to pay double - his defense and the compensation. And any amount of cash that Samsung loses, is beneficial for Apple.
    3 May, 06:51 AM Reply Like
  • aardvark3
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    They were so gleeful in reporting what Apple didn't win that they forgot to tell us what they did win. Who writes this stuff?
    3 May, 06:54 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    "Dream on. Apple at $700 by end of year, baby."

     

    Haven't heard that one before.
    3 May, 09:37 AM Reply Like
  • aardvark3
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    Haven't you heard that history repeats itself, chopchop?
    3 May, 09:43 AM Reply Like
  • hko2012
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    So Apple will be almost bankrupt?
    3 May, 10:38 AM Reply Like
  • investingInvestor
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    Time for a mistrial!

     

    That jury is soooo incompetent they missed off an important Samsung knockoff copy of Apple's designs and products. The gross incompetence of this jury combined with the questionable made up rulings of this judge...raise serious questions.
    4 May, 09:57 AM Reply Like
  • LW007
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    I dare you short it. Unless you enjoy losing money, LOL.
    4 May, 06:00 PM Reply Like
  • Azazello
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    @hko2012

     

    this is a a detailed good read of the story:
    http://vnty.fr/1g3dnVR
    5 May, 03:37 PM Reply Like
  • scott trader
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    Why not steal ideas and sell billions of dollars worth of product get a slap on the wrist a small fine and take it to court of appeals ....if theire is a sanction on selling said product by the time the appeal is over that product or device is extinct...Lucy Koh to the rescue/not.
    2 May, 11:59 PM Reply Like
  • samuel_liu
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    the smartest thief is the one that is not caught!

     

    That is why Edward Snowden did a disservice to the USA, I'm sure that foreign govts always suspected the USA but had no proof.

     

    And for the USA citizens who criticize the govt on this basis: where have you been living (in a bubble), there are hackers, diseases, cookies, malware ...
    3 May, 12:06 AM Reply Like
  • Moon Kil Woong
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    Both apple and Samsung were fined and infringed. a product like a cell phone these days is very complicated with thousands of patents and contributions. Without the ability to adapt and push boundaries we'd still be using 1 pound Motorola blocs or 15 year old Symbian Nokia OS's that took 3 clicks just to make a call. Calling blame on Apple and/or Samsung for infringement is not a good well informed finding.

     

    Likewise, the findings punish both for pushing their patent clams a bit beyond credulity and demanding payouts way in excess for their development. Consequently, all claims just got declawed and attorneys fees have gotten way too high on these cases. The losers in these types of war are the companies initiating and defending these suits as well as the consumers. The findings are consistent with fairness and equity.
    3 May, 02:15 AM Reply Like
  • duhaus
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    @Moon
    Very well said.
    3 May, 02:26 AM Reply Like
  • Jack Baker
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    No, they are not. The findings are not consistent with fairness and equity. Samsung is a shameless copycat and always has been. They've never come up with any original IP. They were stealing from Blackberry and Nokia before the iphone and they've been stealing from Apple since 2007. They use the same modus operandi in the other electronics categories in which they compete. This was a judgement form a jury that clearly lacked the understanding of the subject matter.
    3 May, 05:28 AM Reply Like
  • hko2012
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    Steve Jobs is the biggest thief in history. What was his company called again? Right, Apple.
    3 May, 10:39 AM Reply Like
  • Moon Kil Woong
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    Haha, well Gates is probably the biggest thief. After all he wrongly convinced the writer of DOS to sell his software and trolled open source development groups and then patented their work and then sued them for using his patents. Then he claimed it was their fault for not patenting them.
    4 May, 01:57 PM Reply Like
  • Azazello
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    @hko2012 et al.
    Samsung's reputation is at stake: this will not be about compensation in jury awards, but as a corrupt company it will loose customers. The liberal media will have more and more comprehensive stories about its long history of corruption (the multiple payola trails to those involved in the government, supply chains, bloggers, fake product reviews and discussion board contributions and support votes.) Microsoft played dirty, Google & Facebook are both fundamentally amoral, Amazon is exploiting underpaid workers and is as ruthless with competition as Microsoft was... As far as I know Nokia, BlackBerry played fair and so did Apple.

     

    I think the slowing consumer world may pay more attention to angles of this sort and if/when it happens Samsung et al (see above) will be in deep trouble.
    6 May, 11:39 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    "Amazon is exploiting underpaid workers and is as ruthless with competition as Microsoft was... As far as I know Nokia, BlackBerry played fair and so did Apple."

     

    You obviously haven't seen the stories about FOXCONN or the lawsuit from the Genius bar workers

     

    http://bit.ly/1j9bb4f

     

    http://bloom.bg/1j9bb4j
    6 May, 01:37 PM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    Choppy- Most SA Readers believe UR a paid Apple Basher. Is that true? All your posts are negative on Apple. Why hang out on Apple Blogs unless you are a disgruntled employee or a paid disruptor? SA should give Chopchop the AXE!
    6 May, 01:49 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    @Braeburn

     

    Truth hurts, huh?

     

    Don't you have to go back to work at the genius bar soon? Are you an AAPL fanboi or just an employee?
    6 May, 03:15 PM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    The TRUTH IS that Apple is doing just fine, thank you. The stock should continue its upward climb this year. I'm an investor, not a Fanboy or Apple Employee. I noticed YOU FAILED to come clean as to who you are and if you work for a competitor or are paid to disrupt? You So Sound So Samsung! SA readers want to know your motives.
    6 May, 03:41 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    I am investor, and I keep pro-AAPL investors like you in check. I profited nicely on AAPL and use it to buy android and microsoft products. Steve jobs, if nothing else, was a marketing genius.

     

    Nothing I've posted is biased. AAPL really does have labor issues too like everyone else. Why did you ignore that????
    6 May, 03:57 PM Reply Like
  • samuel_liu
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    "AAPL really does have labor issues "

     

    Can you delineate ...
    6 May, 07:57 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    See the above posts. Or just google it. Esp with regard to Foxconn
    6 May, 09:53 PM Reply Like
  • samuel_liu
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    Foxconn is the manufacturer for the 20 largest global computer(-related) companies, so is that Apple's problem?
    6 May, 09:55 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    "Foxconn is the manufacturer for the 20 largest global computer(-related) companies, so is that Apple's problem?"

     

    It is when it comes to the manufacture of AAPL gadgets, is it not? Remember, Jobs had strict timelines that were to be met, and this was done by any means necessary

     

    http://nyti.ms/1jbkLnf

     

    http://cnet.co/1jbkMHF
    6 May, 10:20 PM Reply Like
  • rrose39
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    Samsung's "reputation" is at stake?

     

    Haha. Thanks for the laugh.

     

    When I go to buy a new TV, I don't care if Samsung has a good product at a lower cost.

     

    Those people are thieves. I wouldn't buy their crap if my life depended upon it.
    6 May, 11:04 PM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    Under Tim Cook, Apple has worked very closely with Foxconn and the Chinese Gov't (and in other countries) to improve work conditions in Foxconn facilities that manufacture/assemble Apple Products. TC made trips to China to see the process firsthand. Apple also works with International Agencies that deal with fair labor practices around the world. These agencies give Apple high marks for their efforts and implementing changes. Apple is also a leader on environmental issues and their new corporate headquarters in Cupertino will be 'Green'. I'm certain 'Choppy' knows all this information but does not disclose the full truth. My guess is that he may be a 'Short' and would like to take advantage of people that are less informed.
    6 May, 11:09 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    " I'm certain 'Choppy' knows all this information but does not disclose the full truth."

     

    Yet Braeburn provides not a single link to back up anything he says. Interesting....
    7 May, 08:56 AM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    Anybody can provide links (often stale or biased) for articles that support their point of view. Not very creative or original NOR convincing. Certainly not proof that your view is correct.

     

    Your transparent short position is not going to win your personal 'Short' battle against the Apple longs. Longs won't change their opinions on Apple based on your obvious short biased posts. Many longs have been holding Apple stock for years and the party is just getting started.

     

    Perhaps you should spend more time 'Chopping' on MB's 'contributions'. You may get more support over there where the shorts and Apple haters hang out and where Misery Loves Company.
    7 May, 11:35 AM Reply Like
  • grange402
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    Seems like there should be a bigger penalty if they are stealing ideas. Research and development don't come free.
    3 May, 12:07 AM Reply Like
  • Pimust
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    Exactly. If Apple would have been properly penalized exploiting Nokia innovations the iPhone would never have made it to the market in the first place.
    3 May, 03:55 AM Reply Like
  • Anders CT
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    @grange402

     

    There is no such thing as stealing ideas.

     

    Apple and Samsung was both found to have infringed on some rather insignificant patents. Which is not illegal and certainly not stealing.
    3 May, 02:21 PM Reply Like
  • Azazello
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    @peemust
    penalized is a key word here!;)
    stop for a moment and consider: Apple was penilized—supplied with ~—while Nokia was de-penilized! Ta-daaaaaa... and so the Nokia brand smartphone is gone.

     

    The "serious" truth is that Apple did pay Nokia for the use of key patents so much so that their contractual arrangement with Nokia (and Samsung shenanigans) was part of the Samsung trial earlier. There was no exploitation and your claim is the result of plain unfamiliarity with patent law.
    6 May, 04:36 AM Reply Like
  • SoldHigh
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    As usual, it appears the ones who made the most from the lawsuit were the lawyers.
    3 May, 12:21 AM Reply Like
  • gap123
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    what is the ole saying... "the greatest form of flattery is imitation".

     

    Hardly worth the time for either company, just a bunch of noise from either side!
    3 May, 12:24 AM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    ...and Samsung, Google, Amazon and others have been 'flattering' Apple immensely over the past few years...
    3 May, 11:52 AM Reply Like
  • Vipertom
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    At some point, one has to wonder whether these lawsuits and counter lawsuits benefit anyone but the lawyers. It has to be a distraction to say the least. With technology moving so fast, by the time the suit reaches the jury stage, everyone has moved on, and the products the companies want to get an injunction for, are usually no longer even offered for sale. A waste of time, money and effort for the satisfaction of corporate ego.
    3 May, 12:30 AM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    These patent lawsuits benefit lots of people other than Lawyers, they also benefit: Paralegals, Legal Secretaries, Judges, Court Reporters, Law Clerks, Office Clerks, Courthouse Security Officers, HP Printers, Canon Copiers, Hammermill Paper, Mercedes Benz and Starbucks Coffee. So you see, all this endless litigation benefits these 'indispensable' people, companies and products.
    3 May, 03:51 AM Reply Like
  • Rollo Tomasi
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    The amount is almost always 20x higher than what they aim to receive. Nice try with the pro Samsung view.
    3 May, 12:30 AM Reply Like
  • alpine
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    Does Apple get to appeal this jury's award? It must be able to, as so much is at stake, esp for Apple.

     

    I see the real, long term beneficiary of this judgment going to Google more than Samsung, as the former can now happily allow all low cost smartphone makers in China, such as ZTE, Huawei, Lenovo to use Android without worrying over patent fees to Apple, etc.
    3 May, 12:35 AM Reply Like
  • duhaus
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    @alpine
    Good point on Google. I agree.
    3 May, 02:25 AM Reply Like
  • Rich in NJ
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    Apart from the damages, Samsung has been found to have infringed on two patents. That also means that other manufacturers can't use those patents either, unless they pay Apple royalties.

     

    A win is a win. To spin it as a win for Samsung strains credulity.
    3 May, 12:56 AM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    Apple MUST fight to defend its patents. Otherwise, other makers would steal the features they want and try to walk all over them. As much as I disdain these legal battles, it is necessary for Apple to defend its turf. It sends a clear iMessage to others that Apple will fight and it will cost you.
    3 May, 11:24 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    A sham trial from the getgo.

     

    If AAPL was serious in its arguments, it should have gone after GOOG, not Samsung.
    3 May, 01:11 AM Reply Like
  • yestoeverything
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    Not an option. Because Samsung altered the software before installing, it made them legally responsible. Google doesn't build the phones.
    3 May, 06:57 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    It wasn't just hardware that was in question though if you look at the case.

     

    Really, this was more about the interface and how the software worked, although the hardware played into it as well:

     

    http://on.wsj.com/Skk6pn

     

    "Unlike the earlier trial, which focused on hardware patents, Google played a prominent role in this case. Samsung said Google independently developed many of the software features at the heart of this case before Apple introduced the iPhone in 2007. Samsung said Apple's dispute was with Google, and painted Apple as obsessed with Google—pointing to an email by former Apple co-founder Steve Jobs declaring a "holy war" with the search giant."

     

    GOOG should really be the main target IMO, but quite frankly, there is so much that iOS has ripped off of Android since it was first created, that there would be MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) were GOOG to face AAPL in court IMO, along with the evidence that Android was in development well before the IPhone was ever released.

     

    At the end of the day, Samsung made an easy punching bag for AAPL, but it was really more than just about them
    3 May, 09:40 AM Reply Like
  • alphaRAJU
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    Now Samsung can pay Nokia for the real patents.
    3 May, 01:19 AM Reply Like
  • imac007
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    Only in America. Freedom to steal and profit from it. Steal billions, get caught, avoid jail time and only have to cough up .06 per $1.00 stolen. This invalidates the USPTO as an entity. They need a new name so it makes it hard to trace it back to them. I would suggest "Blind Refs Society".

     

    The analogy that comes to mind is a sports one. Imagine directing your defensive linemen to take out the star quarterback. The intentional injury is caught by the ref and after a review he assesses a 15 yard penalty.

     

    Now star players need huge one game contracts because that is how long their careers will last.

     

    Try that with a drug company's newest superdrug. The FDA plays a different game and their watchdog actually has teeth. They have experts refereeing the game. Too bad they pull people off the street to ref the technology game.

     

    Innovators should take their ball and go home. I'm sure the OPEC crowd could be persuaded to provide a new home for innovation with their energy supplies as leverage to get other nations to toe the line in protecting intellectual property.

     

    Fail to police and anarchy reins. Tech companies will create their own solutions. That is what they do. Wall Street need to play some cards. They have more to lose than anyone. Samsung just showed how to open company vaults with only an eye patch, peg leg and three cornered hat.

     

    All companies whose innovations the market thought were protected but are not subject to expert oversight, should take a major hit. That includes financials who depend on those same vaults for market values. If you thought a mortgage meltdown was bad, it was just a ripple compared to the potential shockwave from this. I'm buying big pharma, at least they are protected. Fail to protect them and they'll simply withhold the ED lines, like Cialis. That should take the lead out of the pencils of the elite pencil pushers. Screw pharma over and they'll put an end to the screwing.
    3 May, 01:26 AM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    Cipla has made generic Viagra for years. Some foreign countries do not recognize US patents. There will be no end to the screwing.
    3 May, 01:53 AM Reply Like
  • imac007
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    My God! Then I guess IMAX is my only remaining hope. If I screw up I might as well screw up big. Or does Cipla make other screens bigger too?
    3 May, 02:20 AM Reply Like
  • SA User 74XXXXX
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    Apple's lawyers are crabbier than hairy crabs. Wish their commissions are tied to the damages awarded and now just enough to pay the tap water bill.
    3 May, 01:55 AM Reply Like
  • Just Some Guy
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    Apple is being abused by their own lawyers.

     

    Everyone in tech who is NOT a lawyer (or some equal greedhead) knows that the current patent system is broken beyond belief. NONE of these "patents" is in any way valid, by the classic rules and goals of the patent system, or by the rules of ANY patent system that would actually benefit society and not burden it with a bunch of rent-seeking lawyers. ALL these patents are based on preexisting technologies, and/or are obvious to anyone who spends an hour on the problem, the patents are written in lawyer gibberish so nobody knows what they mean until the trial, when all kinds of absurd claims and stories are exchanged.

     

    I'm certain Samsung copied stuff from Apple in that their phone is thin and rectangular, but you can't patent the rectangle, thank goodness. All of Apple's claims were along those lines, and why? Because even if they never really expected to win, their lawyers say, "But you have to prosecute any *potential* infringers or you lose your patents!" That's our system. Only the lawyers win.
    3 May, 02:29 AM Reply Like
  • rsbduff@gmail.com
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    Winners?

     

    My dad was an Iowa farmer. He always said, in a lawsuit, you are pulling on one end of the cow, the other guy is pulling on the other end, and the lawyers are on both sides..... milking the hell out of it!

     

    Lawsuits in the tech world, for patent infringements, are to often ....defensive. It is a big worry for small companies, and individuals. All of these companies have tens of thousands of patents. If they want to put you out of business, they can find a few that are close and sue you into submission...for years...and more legal expenses than you can afford. It's the biggest worry...today. Sadly......That stymies innovation.

     

    RSBDuff
    3 May, 02:56 AM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    Frugal Apple will now have to replace their discount legal team they recruited from 'Half Price Lawyers' and pony up and pay full retail for 'insanely great' legal expertise...
    3 May, 03:14 AM Reply Like
  • Jack Baker
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    Now we know why Apple must be so secretive. If it's this easy to steal their IP, make billions off of the theft and then get slapped with a 120mm fine many years later, then it certainly pays to be a shady thieving company in this industry.
    3 May, 05:33 AM Reply Like
  • DanoX
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    That's why Dyson dropped their lawsuit.
    3 May, 03:12 PM Reply Like
  • Amsterdam Netherlands
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    120 Milion is beter than nothing. It's a victory for Apple, because the court rewarded the claim. So don't be so negative.
    3 May, 05:59 AM Reply Like
  • hko2012
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    Apple has to pay Samsung for patent infringement as well. Ooops. No mention here, biased reporting? No way in the Western world.
    3 May, 10:41 AM Reply Like
  • samuel_liu
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    I reported that in my stocktalk:

     

    samuel_liu
    as $AAPL owes $SSNLF $158,400 & Samsung will have to cut Apple a check for $119,625,000, NOT $6.2 million & $2.2 billion the parties asked 11 hours ago
    Reply (4)

     

    samuel_liu : Apple devices infringed onE, while Samsung phones/tablets infringed three http://engt.co/PZqArV 11 hours ago pocohonta : Still trying to figure out if AAPL won or lost? I know it's not the $ but the principle, plus the real goal is for sales ban, but from $2B? 11 hours ago

     

    samuel_liu: i have a disdain for the patent law, as it is ambiguous. I will not buy Samsung as this Samsung N/b costing close to $900 performs pitifully 10 hours ago

     

    samuel_liu: I bought fully decked-out Moto X for 2/3 cost of the cheapest IPhone 5s & it works splendidly! Maybe S Jobs forsaw innovation drought!
    3 May, 10:44 AM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    You are right, Amstee. It sends a loud message that if you steal or infringe on Apple's patents, Apple will exercise its legal rights. See you in court!
    3 May, 11:35 AM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    Really enjoy your posts. Great insight and well articulated views.

     

    However, you DO tend to 'Motor On and On' ON your Moto X.

     

    PS- I don't think there is any lack of creativity or innovation at Apple. Expect we will be seeing the results of a lot of the innovation starting this Summer. SJ would be very proud of Apple. Perhaps Jony Ive channels his spirit for creative inspiration.
    3 May, 12:24 PM Reply Like
  • DanoX
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    158,400 is several times less than my portfolio, only twice the value of my car? 158,00 is even less than the average house in East Texas and I hate Texas?
    3 May, 03:18 PM Reply Like
  • larry trout
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    Seems like Apple was trying to patent simple basic functions that don't warrant a patent. No wonder they lost the case.
    3 May, 06:01 AM Reply Like
  • B4ngZ00m
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    The absurdity of these software-related patents is mind boggling. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a patent on how two numbers are added.
    3 May, 06:47 PM Reply Like
  • Dan Linden
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    This might create a chain reaction for competitors of apple to attempt more use of apples patents. With this precedent now set, anyone can use the patents rejected during this trial and apple will not be able to stop it moving forward. Some patents are too extreme if it stop further development of technology and courts obviously agree
    3 May, 06:06 AM Reply Like
  • JCLately
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    Apple should consider moving to Texas just like Toyota and many other companies have. They would save on taxes and have better litigation services there !
    3 May, 06:07 AM Reply Like
  • DanoX
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    Comments (2575) | Send Message
     
    Brain Power in Texas not in the north or east? Maybe in Austin or San Antonio (blue area's?), health insurance is a no go in that cesspool of a state. The country's largest pool of uninsured people squat in Texas.
    3 May, 03:24 PM Reply Like
  • Deja Vu
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    Perhaps now they can finally find time to make a larger screen iPhone.

     

    Wonder what the stock price will do monday...
    3 May, 08:19 AM Reply Like
  • Justin Jaynes
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    seriously

     

    shut up apple and give me my phablet.
    3 May, 10:37 AM Reply Like
  • JDDurango
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    Yawn....
    3 May, 08:23 AM Reply Like
  • deercreekvols
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    A local fella got 10 months in jail for stealing a 4-wheeler.

     

    Let the punishment fit the crime.

     

    Monetary punishment, if you can call it punishment, should have some sort of deterrent that is implied.

     

    Will the fine stop anyone from performing similar pilfering in the future?
    3 May, 09:55 AM Reply Like
  • Anders CT
    , contributor
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    @deercreekvols

     

    But no one has been convicted or even been accused of a crime here.

     

    Apple sought damages for alleged patent infringement. And the jury found that Samsung indeed had infringed on a rather trivial and unimportant patent that dates back to the nineties. That is all. Nothing to see here.
    3 May, 02:30 PM Reply Like
  • Dallas Salazar
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    AAPL perma bulls out in force to parade this "victory" while they pray they can get back those losses when they went all in at $700
    3 May, 10:31 AM Reply Like
  • Bill Hasb
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    Wonder if Samsung will feel like they "won" when they write a check to AAPL for $120 million? Who writes such garbage ?
    3 May, 10:33 AM Reply Like
  • hko2012
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    Wonder how Apple will feel like when they write a check to Samsung for their own infringements.
    3 May, 10:43 AM Reply Like
  • Anders CT
    , contributor
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    @Bill Hasp

     

    I am sure they will. No doubt they have been drinking lots a champagne in Samsungland after the verdict.
    3 May, 02:32 PM Reply Like
  • Azazello
    , contributor
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    @hko2012
    I don't think that you have followed the trial—this is not about how companies "feel" about jury awards.

     

    Samsung long history as a corrupt company has been documented by the media for years and Vanity Fair has a very good summary of it—recommended read.

     

    http://vnty.fr/1g3dnVR
    6 May, 04:41 AM Reply Like
  • tarheelboy
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    I see people like davidoff talking about the amount of the award. This isn't about money at all, these companies don't need or care about money. You talk like you see a literal translation here and that you just don't get it. Duhhhhhhh
    3 May, 10:33 AM Reply Like
  • Mortonk
    , contributor
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    The proof is that Samsung haven't come up with anything new in the last two or three years and are now suffering because they haven't had anything to copy from Apple......!
    Make a note to watch out for copycat products from others when Apple release their next major piece of hardware....! It's obvious over the past 10 years who has been copying who....!
    3 May, 11:42 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    "The proof is that Samsung haven't come up with anything new in the last two or three years and are now suffering because they haven't had anything to copy from Apple......!"

     

    Has AAPL come out with anything groundbreaking since 2010? Not really. In fact, it's actually adopted more and more things from Android in both its software and its hardware.

     

    Ipad Mini (Google/Samsung/Amazon did it first)
    IPhone 5 with 4G (Android in general did that first)
    IPhone 6 with 5.5" screen (Samsung did it first and was ridiculed for releasing what turned out to be the very successful "phablet" category)

     

    Don't get me started on iOS:

     

    http://bit.ly/115BpeZ
    http://bit.ly/RgqPQ6
    http://bit.ly/RgqPQb
    4 May, 12:41 AM Reply Like
  • RDPFSGMobile
    , contributor
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    After all of the copying of Apple hardware and software features, it is amazing that Google and Samsung still screw it up. As a mobile apps developer, I have never seen such a cluster you know what of screen sizes and OS configurations that must be supported under the Android OS. A monkey throwing darts wouldn't have screwed it up this badly. We develop for MS, iOS, HTML (browser) and Android. We do Android last because it is the least profitable segment of the market. How can that be with all of the Android phones in the world?

     

    I think the larger screen iPhone 6 coming later this year might surprise some Google Guys. They best get their mobile ad revenue moving in the right direction now, later may be too late.
    4 May, 05:43 AM Reply Like
  • samuel_liu
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    G-Moto didn't mess it up! So therefore it is the faulty Samsung technology.
    4 May, 12:35 PM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
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    Comments (866) | Send Message
     
    Samuel? Do you work for Google OR are you paid by or receive any compensation for your frequent mentions of G-Moto or Moto X ? You mention the brand or devise in so many of your posts. I find it hard to believe that anyone could like ANY phone that much where they mention it so frequently (unless they were being compensated to do so). Are you willing to be honest with us and disclose your MOTOvation?
    4 May, 01:50 PM Reply Like
  • samuel_liu
    , contributor
    Comments (2793) | Send Message
     
    I love Apple products, but am refusing to pay $700 for something that $250 ITouch adequately does. Which would be dropped or target for steal (I had 4 or 5 Nokias stolen0.

     

    I bought a refurb HTC EVO 3d, hated it barely worked; wondered if it was Android or HTC Sense; then when the Moto X was offerred at $300, I jumped in and am pleasantly surprized.

     

    Furthermore I love Google's corporate development, I wish I could receive compensation!

     

    NOT Long GOOG nor AAPL
    4 May, 06:33 PM Reply Like
  • Braeburn
    , contributor
    Comments (866) | Send Message
     
    Thank you. Perhaps if you email Google copies of ALL your posts where you mention G-Moto or Moto X, they just might send you a check or put you on the payroll ;)

     

    However, it would be better if Apple would hire you and/or give you free Apple products. Apple, Apple Investors and blog readers all receive a lot of positive comments and valuable information from your posts.

     

    Apple Long Term Long
    5 May, 01:05 AM Reply Like
  • samuel_liu
    , contributor
    Comments (2793) | Send Message
     
    I am having my final warantee work before the Apple Care on my 17" Macbook is over. They called twice today what I answered, once to change something not under warantee for under 140 RMB and then the final call was to change the battery for under 1400 RMB.

     

    This as well as all the Apple Stores are in the top retail venues of the cities: Beijing, San Francisco, Shanghai, Palo Alto, Hong Kong. I remember how difficult it was to find Toshiba or Samsung After Sales Service centers, and at least for the former, sweating it out in that industrial area of town (Beijing, less so but also San Francisco) where they said they could do nothing but erase the hd with the same faulty cn Vista OS; and in San Francisco, that dealer did nothing, and then I dumped it on my brother-in-law when the machine worked for a couple of months than dies one month after the warrantee had expired.

     

    It's not that Windows or their OEMs have trouble with retailing, but it makes me feel rather cheapened and taken advantage of if anything was done at all; and utterly duped if nothing was done as Samsung didn't despite its global warantee on the newly bought laptop (incidentally which I am using right now as my trusty Mac is in the shop).

     

    I look forward to visiting if possible the Google Barges in the SF Bay Area!

     

    Long: MSFT
    5 May, 06:28 AM Reply Like
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