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Samsung reveals smartphone using Tizen

  • Samsung (SSNLF) has announced its first commercial smartphone using the Tizen open-source platform. The Samsung Z featuring the new system will be available in Russia in the third quarter before expanding to other markets.
  • Tizen is being developed with companies including Intel (INTC) and Vodafone (VOD).
  • The new platform is revolutionary for Samsung, as the company is the world’s biggest maker of mobile devices using Google’s (GOOG, GOOGL) Android operating system.
  • Previously, Tizen was only used on Samsung smartwatches. The watches went on sale in April.
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  • Zipper0
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    Tizen is Samsung's future, not Android, as its ACL allows Tizen to run all Android apps.
    2 Jun 2014, 03:21 AM Reply Like
  • 10208741
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    A few observations.

     

    Blackberry OS 10.3 has compatibility with Android 4.2 (Jelly bean) level APKs. I have a BB Z10 unlocked (which I got at a killer 199 USD price) and with access to a third party app store like 1 click market, it runs Android apps like a charm.

     

    Atleast the free ones that I use. Some games, Bank Apps, Yahoo Mail as well as some utilities like Speedtest.net that do not have a native blackberry apps, the 1 click market manager downloads the APKs and installs inside my phone. and when I double click the icon, runs the APP in an virtual Android Dalvik.

     

    If BB prices its product rightly, it can make a killing. But doing that will be akin to BB announcing & declaring native OS 10.x development is dead. So if Tizen has no qualms in accepting the above and/or Samsung develops some real killer features only available for Tizen and nowhere else, then this will be a small success.
    2 Jun 2014, 01:45 PM Reply Like
  • Warren Buffet007
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    An open-source platform!!, the paradise for Hackers and Virus!.
    For a business tool, unsustainable.
    2 Jun 2014, 03:28 AM Reply Like
  • King Rat
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    Warren Buffet007 (Buffet?)
    Not all hats are black.
    There are plenty of open source anti-virus programs available. Open source does not make hacking easier. If anything it makes the platform more secure.

     

    I can't stand Samsung's business practices but I am really excited about Tizen as a whole, because it represents a possibly viable alternative to Android and iOS (something Blackberry, Microsoft, and Mozilla are not providing now).
    2 Jun 2014, 04:06 AM Reply Like
  • geekinasuit
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    You probably have used open source code in business situations without knowing.

     

    Before passing along FUD, take some time to educate yourself first. Closed source is far worse than open source. There's no way to verify the integrity of closed source applications, which as we know all too well may contain back doors, both intentional and unintentional, and there's no guarantee that bugs in the source code will ever be fixed, such as Microsoft taking almost 2 decades to resolve some bugs. Open source works fine, there's nothing inherently wrong with the concept. Even with closed source code, often parts of the code are made open source for interfacing reasons and it hasn't been a problem.
    2 Jun 2014, 05:31 PM Reply Like
  • 15865932
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    Interesting post geekinasuit. I noticed this is kind of a target market for Russia etc in development with Vodafone. 10208741 made the comment in a twisted way about banking app compatibility so these comments lead me to a question for all the "geeks" posting here. First some background.

     

    Vodafone is currently launching M-Pesa and Smartpass mobile banking apps across a huge portion of its markets and in recent months announced a partnership as well with MoneyGram giving it exposure to 200 countries in that deal set to be completed by end of 2014. What I am looking at is Vodafone appears to be VERY aggressively pursuing white label status for its mobile banking apps ==> a cashless society. M-Pesa is structured more for bringing banking to the currently unbanked population. SmartPass version under launch in EU during 2014 is however different in that it structured on an open platform to bring in participation by financial transaction companies including finance, banking, investing, payments and remittances. Note Vodafone was pointedly mentioned in Tizen development. Now that I have covered the background, it brings forth my question. Is this move a means for making the droid compatible with SmartPass technology requirements? I'm not extremely tech savvy so give it to me in a slightly dressed down version. Any thoughts of any kind on motives or related thoughts are much appreciated.

     

    My geek translator (IT officer) at my job commented once in the past Russia is one of the highest or maybe the highest per capita of program hackers in the world. Could it be the test market for this product being in Russia is an intentional trial by fire? TIA to all responders.
    3 Jun 2014, 01:42 PM Reply Like
  • geekinasuit
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    Maybe this is the answer to you question.

     

    There are many sources on the net that explain the main advantages of why open source makes a lot of sense in many situations, take a look. There are of course a few cons to consider as well, but overall the advantages are significant. Given the NSA revelations, these days closed source is viewed as being far less trustworthy than in the past. I'd much rather see my financial transactions flow through open source code (and hardware) than through closed source channels.

     

    Closed source is increasingly seen as a liability, for example Cisco is having major troubles these days because it is possible that their firmware is compromised with an NSA backdoor.
    3 Jun 2014, 02:41 PM Reply Like
  • 15865932
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    Geek, thx for the response but not really. Is this move [Tizen] a means for making the droid [and Samsung phones] compatible with SmartPass technology requirements? Simply, is this OS a means to make Samsung's product compatible to SmartPass use?
    http://bit.ly/1bcNg1u
    and
    http://bit.ly/1iWi05f

     

    Does SmartPass really needs the more open pinwheel for financial institutions to more readily partner? From many, many articles it appears Vodafone has been a very involved partner with Samsung and Intel. It all just makes me think the big boys of telecom are jointly attempting a jail break from GOOG and I think VOD might have some heavy initiative to do so with its SmartPass (global mobile wallet) initiatives.
    4 Jun 2014, 12:05 PM Reply Like
  • MacJava
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    will further fragment the android ecosystem ?
    2 Jun 2014, 04:10 AM Reply Like
  • King Rat
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    Fragmentation, yes, but probably not much. I see it as Linux/MacOS for PCs**. Few people will ever use it, but those who do won't be able to shut up about it even after 30 years.

     

    **spoken as a guilty party
    2 Jun 2014, 04:19 AM Reply Like
  • azzuraskye
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    Google will be delighted...
    2 Jun 2014, 04:34 AM Reply Like
  • Alan1967
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    ... again. So why did Google stop manufacturing it's own phone?

     

    Wasn't it to placate companies like Samsung and prevent things like this?
    2 Jun 2014, 10:19 AM Reply Like
  • azzuraskye
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    Nah, it was a bad investment and they couldn't make it financially viable. They sold Motorola to stem the bleeding. Lenovo will leverage the Motorola badge in a Chinese market where a foreign name has cachet. I don't know why Google thought they could make money on their own phones - by its nature the Android market is commoditised and no-one (other than Samsung) makes money on Android phones.

     

    I wonder how many Android phone brands will be on the market in 1-2 years time. Perhaps lots of Chinese brands no-one has ever heard of, but HTC, Sony, LG, Nokia et al won't be among them.
    3 Jun 2014, 08:34 AM Reply Like
  • optimyst
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    I thought Samsung and Google had made up.
    2 Jun 2014, 10:56 AM Reply Like
  • azzuraskye
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    There is no honour amongst thieves.

     

    Samsung have demonstrated an inability to innovate. When they do produce something new, like their wearable tech, it is a flop. With Android, Google takes all the cream, insisting that manufacturers deploy all the google apps - otherwise they lose access to the Android badge. Amazon use naked Android and re-skin it for their tablets, providing all the services themselves. Samsung would love to do the same, and tried, with dismal results. They just closed their music store.

     

    But Samsung knows they have to differentiate themselves from other Android vendors if they are to avoid being squeezed on margins. Hence Tizen. They will get a lot of support from Intel who desperately need an entree into the mobile world.

     

    Tizen only works if Samsung can sell services, including ads - it's no cheaper than Android, which of course is free, and they have all the development costs to defray. I don't see it.

     

    In the meantime Apple is moving their business elsewhere wherever they can - that is hurting the component business and there is more hurt to come there.

     

    Samsung is very vulnerable to a move by Apple into the mid tier. At some point Apple will do exactly that. In the short term the iPhone 6 is likely to hurt Samsung sales with a larger screen offering - Apple is already a generation ahead with 64bit processing of their own design and a better operating system without the java runtime lag. iOS 8 moves the goalposts again.

     

    Tizen is likely to prove an expensive, but fruitless, diversion for the great copier. And Google are likely to have something to say about this - Samsung should watch their kneecaps...
    3 Jun 2014, 08:22 AM Reply Like
  • 15865932
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    Speaking of low and mid-tier level markets.....second and third world markets.....If Vodafone has worked to include their M-Pesa as a preloaded mobile banking app this might move cell phone buyers in those under banked economies to purchase an operating system. Open source apps which would include Vodafone's more developed economies mobile banking app under launch in EU called SmartPass. Tizen developed with Intel and Vodafone. Feel free to tell me I'm smoking something here. Time will tell.
    3 Jun 2014, 04:07 PM Reply Like
  • civ-e
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    if Intel is co-developing this OS, does it imply future phones running this OS will use Intel's chip?
    3 Jun 2014, 12:18 PM Reply Like
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