Ford to adjust fuel economy ratings on 6 hybrid models


Ford (F -1.9%) will drop the fuel economy ratings on six different 2013 and 2014 hybrid and plug-in hybrid models to adjust for inflated figures, according to CNBC.

The automaker will also make goodwill payments to close to 200K owners.

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  • 1980XLS
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    F more fuel mileage misrepresentation settlements as I have been warning for weeks ECO-Turd ....

     

    TDOT wrong again it seems

     

    Sucker born every minute, that believes Ford's pie in the sky Eco-Turd numbers.

     

    This is NOT the first time either.

     

    I posted that this was coming about 10 times the last 2 months
    12 Jun 2014, 02:32 PM Reply Like
  • Chop
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    It appears that only the Fiesta 1,0L has an ecoboost engine
    12 Jun 2014, 02:40 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    Wrong,

     

    It involves lots of models,

     

    http://cnb.cx/1irq0eP

     

    This is not the first time either

     

    http://abcn.ws/1l0rUTf

     

    http://abcn.ws/1irqJMN
    12 Jun 2014, 02:43 PM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    It seems Ford found a flaw in their testing protocol for Fiesta and the hybrids, and is correcting it.
    12 Jun 2014, 02:46 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    They said that last time too.

     

    Fool me once...
    Fool me twice.....

     

    http://abcn.ws/1l0rUTf
    12 Jun 2014, 03:02 PM Reply Like
  • Chop
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    Not denying the number of vehicles, just the number with ecoboost engines, which was just Fiesta 1L. The CMAX, Fusions and MKZs in the press release are all hybrids and plug in hybrids, which do not have ecoboost engines.
    12 Jun 2014, 03:34 PM Reply Like
  • ltrguy85
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    Gawd, you always seem to have a "Ford Sucks" agenda. Ford didn't hide safety defects for 12 years (hear that, Toyota?), or lie about horsepower ratings (Toyota, Honda), or go bankrupt and stick the taxpayer (yo to GM and Chrysler). Face it, Ford's back. And I couldn't be happier.
    12 Jun 2014, 06:52 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    It will be even funnier when you see how little aluminum achieves for such great cost.
    12 Jun 2014, 02:35 PM Reply Like
  • J38765
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    This is a symptom of Ford's overall quality problems. They just can't seem to get their hands around the product problems. Last quarters warranty expense problems are just the beginning. 4 years of poor product quality are coming home to roost.

     

    I honestly don't think there is anything nefarious going on with the gas mileage claims. I just think the whole quality control process is off the tracks.
    12 Jun 2014, 02:43 PM Reply Like
  • roadbike51
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    Maybe these people should learn how to drive. I got a new CMax last month and have been averaging 46 MPG for the first 900 miles including a trip in the mountains of Colorado
    12 Jun 2014, 02:52 PM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    It looks like you will be getting a check for $475 anyway for your trouble. Unless you have the Energi - you get $775 for one of those.
    12 Jun 2014, 03:08 PM Reply Like
  • R K
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    F admits it's mistake , 200,000 + cars with wrong mileage estimate , no deaths , no recall , no millions of cars. By the way 1980 , your comments about aluminum not being effective , why is everyone going to this process ?
    12 Jun 2014, 02:53 PM Reply Like
  • JayXu
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    Does it mean lawsuits are following....
    Sometimes I really hate lawyers...
    12 Jun 2014, 03:05 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    I doubt it.

     

    Looks like Ford getting ahead of it by cutting checks.

     

    That Eco-boost thing getting more expensive all the time.

     

    More to build
    More to warranty
    More recalls
    Mediocre fuel mileage.

     

    http://bit.ly/1iLKj9z

     

    http://bit.ly/PS4RTk

     

    http://bit.ly/PS4qs9

     

    http://bit.ly/PS4urI

     

    http://bit.ly/1gx6bkZ
    12 Jun 2014, 03:13 PM Reply Like
  • crazty4tennis
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    I've been a F owner since 1977. Their vehicles are well made and attractive and handle well on the road. I'm sorry to read that F needs to inflate the gas mileage on their vehicles. With this it seems like they're desperate to gain "new" customers and compete with other auto makers. With Mr. Mullaly retiring in the near future and the guy at the helm to take over I believe that he has some explaining to do for this mess (plus the debacle on the recalls on the F Escapes) and needs to start picking up the brokenness of the company and get back on the right track or F will sink down again to an "all time LOW." I'm tired of Ford's stock being down, down, down. I'd like to see F at around $56 p/s but with this news I'm wishful thinking. C'mon F get your act together and start thinking like the competition. We all know the competition is out selling F by miles and miles.
    12 Jun 2014, 03:20 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    http://bit.ly/1sKFuPr
    12 Jun 2014, 03:24 PM Reply Like
  • Ryandan
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    Typical auto industry B.S. They wouldn't know the truth if they fell over it and wouldn't pass it along if somebody showed it to them. Is there no integrity from these companies?
    12 Jun 2014, 03:22 PM Reply Like
  • Joe Lunchbox
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    What is sad is that I doubt many people make a decision based on fuel mileage ratings. That payout is really unnecessary.
    12 Jun 2014, 03:29 PM Reply Like
  • larch99
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    Why else would someone buy a hybrid?
    12 Jun 2014, 03:33 PM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    For some fuel mileage is a serious buying consideration, especially the reason they are buying into the eco-boost hype, or a hybrid to begin with.

     

    On a V-8 Mustang, prolly not so much.
    12 Jun 2014, 03:35 PM Reply Like
  • User 16353912
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    We have had a C Max Energi for over a year. We get fantastic mileage. Over the life of the vehicle we're averaging over 70 mpg. Our closest shopping mall, doctors etc are over 40 miles away, so we have plenty of trips where we have to use gasoline. Maybe people should learn how to drive these forward thinking cars.
    12 Jun 2014, 06:52 PM Reply Like
  • Sparty Rox
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    The 2013 Escape has clearly missed the make as well. Nearly 40,000 miles in, with stated highway of 28, I still get 20-21. Ford admits 20 is "within range". Any suggestions?
    12 Jun 2014, 06:52 PM Reply Like
  • Ryandan
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    lawyer
    12 Jun 2014, 10:00 PM Reply Like
  • RSRinehart
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    Sparty -- If you are willing to share, I'd like to ask where you live (generally), what kind of driving you do and what the traffic conditions are. Large city, suburban area, more rural? Hilly terrain or more flat? Light traffic, heavy traffic, stop and go? Who drives the Escape the most and what are your driving habits?

     

    Here's why. We bought a new Escape last summer. 10,000 miles so far, nary a problem. We're in a mid-size Midwestern city, basically flat, moderate traffic volume. Mostly stop and go driving in the city with some highway miles mixed in. We have taken it on some extended trips as well. My wife drives it 80-90% of the time, on her job every day. Neither of us would be considered easy on a car. We don't baby it. Over a years time we average 22-24 m.p.g. in day-to-day driving, a little less in really cold weather. On the extended trips, we averaged 28-29 m.p.g., even hitting 30 on one trip.

     

    So how to explain the difference between your experience and ours? Especially as you mention, in highway driving? Bad gas? RSR
    13 Jun 2014, 12:57 AM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    Lotta variables, but you two guys are pretty far apart.

     

    More short trips, cold temperatures, ethanol content all play a part

     

    You 2 guys both have the same engines? AWD vs 2WD?

     

    That's really funny , that your 4 cyl Escape gets around 28-29MPG hwy, and at the same time some people think a new aluminum F-150 weighing 2000lbs more (after the weight savings) and more than twice as big, (Frontal area and barn door aerodynamics) even has a remote chance at anything near 30mpg hwy.

     

    BTW, is your Escape the 1.6L or the 2.0L?
    13 Jun 2014, 07:41 AM Reply Like
  • RSRinehart
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    My Escape is a 2013, SE model, 1.6L engine, 2WD, no special options. Most of the day-to-day driving is 5 to 10 mile city and suburban driving. Gas purchased is usually from name brand stations or Sam's Club, almost always 10% ethanol. Weather is typical four-season variability. Low teens to near zero in coldest part of winter but mostly in the 20s and low 30s. Moving into summer, it's now in mid 70s to near 80. Most of next three months will be in 80s to low 90s on occasion. My wife uses the A/C a lot in summer, but it has minimal effect on the m.p.g. There is some hilliness in our area, but the terrain would probably be considered generally flat.

     

    What say you, Sparty? I just can't figure why the results would be so much different, especially in highway driving. What kind of mileage do you get in daily urban / suburban driving? RSR
    13 Jun 2014, 11:32 AM Reply Like
  • depup
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    My first hybrid was a 2010 Ford Fusion. Traded it for a 2012 after 48,000 carefree miles with the 2010. Only problem was a right rear tail light bulb and door latch. Overall mileage was 38 for the 2010. I now have 28,000 on the 2012 and no problems except a left rear tail light bulb. Overall mileage with it is 40. I cruise at or below the speed limit. If I wanted to go faster, I would buy a Mustang.
    The Ford Fusion Hybrid's are great cars.
    12 Jun 2014, 06:52 PM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    The 2010 and 2012 Fusions are not effected - it is the 2013-14 models. The 2010-12 Fusions were rated at 36 highway, 41 city, and 39 combined, and the numbers you are getting seem about right.

     

    The 2013 Fusion Hybrid was originally quoted at 47 mpg for highway, city, and combined. After correcting the loads on the vehicle and re-running the test, the new numbers are now 41 highway, 44 city, and 42 combined.
    13 Jun 2014, 05:22 AM Reply Like
  • kettiger
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    This probably won't make it past the moderator since it's going to sound like a personal attack and apparently you're not allowed to do that unless you have a full on liberal outlook.

     

    That being said, I really thought this was an investment website, not a forum for bitter people with an axe to grind. If you don't like Ford, and don't have anything constructive or informative to say about the investment, then I'm sure there's a hundred other "whine here" websites where you can post your comments where people will appreciate and want to hear them.
    12 Jun 2014, 08:27 PM Reply Like
  • princejerome
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    why this sad news ---where is the good news from Europe Ford up and away again -- I hear that sales of Fords are up over 10% in May ---WOW !!!!!
    12 Jun 2014, 08:30 PM Reply Like
  • Edsel_A
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    Very disappointed owner of eco-boost F150 (2012) due to lack of claimed gas mileage. On the other hand, my Toyota hybrid (2007) has always beat its (45 mpg) advertised mileage, even when carpooling at 70+ mph.

     

    (still Long F)
    12 Jun 2014, 08:30 PM Reply Like
  • princejerome
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    up 10% in May in Europe !!!!
    12 Jun 2014, 08:48 PM Reply Like
  • smartpolock
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    What a bunch of whiners. 10 drivers can get 10 different mileage results depending on how sensibly they drive. Class envy dummies. Obama lovers for sure.
    12 Jun 2014, 10:09 PM Reply Like
  • keaneteacher
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    just purchased a C-Max two days. Just heard about a possible check from Ford re $475 or so after my purchase on the Internet? Wonder if I will be eligible with my recent purchase????
    15 Jun 2014, 07:49 AM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    Possibly. Not sure when or if there is a cutoff after the announcement on June 12th, or if the dealer had you sign something to the effect that "here are the corrected EPA figures".

     

    This link has a calculator to confirm your corrected mpg estimates (about 3 few mpg), and your refund: http://ford.to/1vrnbBX

     

    The "goodwill payment" or refund is presumably meant to compensate you for the additional fuel burn for a few years of ownership. The C-max Hybrid label goes from 43 mpg (23.2558 gallons per 1000 miles) combined to an even 40 (25 gallons per 1000 miles). That additional 1.7442 gallon at $4 per gallon (today) would result in $475 added cost over about 68,000 miles, if I did the math right.
    16 Jun 2014, 05:23 AM Reply Like
  • 1980XLS
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    Part of the calculated value, is to compensate on theoretical reduced resale value, not just fuel costs. Hence the reason the payment is less on leases.
    16 Jun 2014, 08:09 AM Reply Like
  • keaneteacher
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    I just purchased a c-Max two days ago, a 2013 model. Wonder if I am eligible for this possible $475 refund from Ford???
    15 Jun 2014, 07:50 AM Reply Like
  • Ryandan
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    wow. people try to make this sound like a simple mistake. these people do this often and it's a calculate deception used to sell cars. sometimes they get caught and sometimes they don't. this is the auto industry, where con artists go to practice their craft. now-a-days you can't trust any corporation anymore, but the leaders in lies and deception and (a culture of poor quality and corporate greed)............GM and Ford.
    16 Jun 2014, 09:27 AM Reply Like
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