Supercharger milestone for Tesla Motors


Tesla Motors (TSLA -1.1%) says it passed the charging milestone of 1GWh in a single month during June.

The EV automaker figures that to be the equivalent offset of 168K gallons of gas saved.

Tesla forecasts that by end of 2015 at least 98% of the U.S. population will be within 100 miles of a charging station.

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  • surferbroadband
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    Elon Musk is covering Amerika, just like Nikola Tesla got AC all over Amerika.

     

    Good Job Elon.
    10 Jul 2014, 02:06 PM Reply Like
  • anarchist
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    And maybe like Nikola'a idea, Tesla Motors will be hot for awhile but eventually fade into the sunset outdone by another technology.
    10 Jul 2014, 02:12 PM Reply Like
  • Pavlof
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    "And maybe like Nikola'a [sic] idea, Tesla Motors will be hot for awhile [sic] but eventually fade into the sunset outdone by another technology."

     

    I hate to tell you anarchist but alternating current did not fade into the sunset. Stick your fingers into a wall outlet and you will be shocked to find it still exists.
    10 Jul 2014, 02:35 PM Reply Like
  • anarchist
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    Yes but his idea of having wireless lights and electrical distribution did fade and D/C became the standard power transmission standard.
    A man who was ahead of his time.
    10 Jul 2014, 03:18 PM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    As Pavlof said, stick you hand in any electrical outlet worldwide ( US as well as europe ) and you will get a jolt of Tesla AC.

     

    Still zapping after 100 years + and probably for another 900 years plus.
    10 Jul 2014, 03:25 PM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    @Anarchist, A/C is the standard power transmission standard.

     

    And today, we have wireless internet.

     

    Wireless lights and electrical distribution could not work because the power companies could not charge for the electricity. Also Tesla made light bulbs that were using AC vs DC from Edison.

     

    Who won the war of the currents? Tesla

     

    So please get history correct.

     

    I know you hate Tesla Motors, and you probably missed out on the run up from 30 back in March 2013 to over 200 today.
    10 Jul 2014, 03:31 PM Reply Like
  • Pavlof
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    "... D/C became the standard power transmission standard."

     

    Wow! You really need a history lesson! Well maybe just some basic knowledge about how things work.
    10 Jul 2014, 03:57 PM Reply Like
  • tommyt23
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    Direct current is not the standard for power transmission.
    10 Jul 2014, 08:29 PM Reply Like
  • tommyt23
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    What is that new technology that replaced electricity?
    10 Jul 2014, 08:29 PM Reply Like
  • skyboy102
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    He does not need a history lesson. he needs a physics lesson.
    11 Jul 2014, 12:25 AM Reply Like
  • Stephen Tips
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    He may need a lesson. Let’s just leave it at that. Should someone take him to the woodshed?

     

    Hey, "anarchist," don't let the good people here bother you, man.

     

    Everybody - just chill. AC.
    11 Jul 2014, 05:12 AM Reply Like
  • joeinslw@gmail.com
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    anarchist-----To think that electric will fade out after so many years sounds like this is wishful thinking, are you shorting the company? Because that's what shorters do, they short tsla and then bash the company so other stock holders will (hopefully) sell making the price fall, so you can make money, then maybe after the price falls low enough you can buy in like the rest of us did when the price was in the 30's.............
    Do I have that about right bookie?

     

    Somehow I think the rest of us are not wishing you a lot of luck with that.
    12 Jul 2014, 05:05 PM Reply Like
  • joeinslw@gmail.com
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    Right Surfer, but why do some people feel they can put so much Misinformation in SA and get away with it? Do these people think that we are so gullible that we won't bother to reply?
    12 Jul 2014, 05:13 PM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    At the end of 2015, it will be all over for ICE, because of the 98% figure.

     

    But you can be rest assured that Tesla Motors will continue to be building Supercharging stations all over the world. China, India, Africa, South America. The US market will help build the electrification of the transportation industry for decades to come.
    10 Jul 2014, 02:10 PM Reply Like
  • Milhouse
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    By the end of 2015 it won't matter because we will all be living on Mars.

     

    Some of us already do, apparently.
    10 Jul 2014, 03:13 PM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    I don't know if you are making that comment seriously or are being sarcastic. But looking at the picture you have in your profile, I do know where you are coming from.
    10 Jul 2014, 03:22 PM Reply Like
  • I need a bailout
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    Actually, surferbroadband lives on planet Tesla...a fantasy planet.
    10 Jul 2014, 05:49 PM Reply Like
  • skyboy102
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    Here's why. It is really simple.

     

    Everybody talks about the hydrogen or natural gas infrastructure. They miss the point. The electricity infrastructure was built out to every home 80 years ago. WE all have electrons coursing through our homes, stores everything.

     

    Putting the right kind of plug on the end to create a supercharger isn't trivial but compared to creating, compressing, delivering and pumping hydrogen into a steel cylinder it's a walk in the park.

     

    Every night a little magic being floods your cars battery and fills it up while you sleep. In the morning, every morning, wa lah...A full tank. Who needs a gas station in that scenario. The Superchargers close the deal on the road trips. Game over.

     

    But just in case you are not convinced everything of significant cost in a BEV is predicted to come down in cost. Meanwhile, to continue to eek out the last mpg from a dead technology ICE manufacturers are adding complexity right and left. They add more valves, turbochargers, shut off cylinders and turn off the car at stop lights ( at least the hybrids do).

     

    All of that drives up complexity and costs while the BEV which starts at roughly 3 times the efficiency will just get cheaper every year.

     

    Like I said...Game over. Not everybody knows it yet. If I were an oil company I'd be running scared. If I ran an electric company I'd be working on how to make a lot of money off of this.
    11 Jul 2014, 12:34 AM Reply Like
  • Stephen Tips
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    "I did not tell a lie."

     

    Went from GW (who always told the truth - unless he slept there) to RMN.

     

    Simply amazing.

     

    What other amazing things can possibly happen now? Umm, how about an electric car that will be programmed by the driver (at the on ramp of a highway) to drive the vehicle and exit at a specific off ramp. The driver will not have to touch anything at all. Now that IS amazing. Also, hold on now, most everyone will be able to charge the vehicle within 100 miles of wherever they may live.

     

    And . . . I recently read today that GOOG/GOOGL wearable glass can be used telekinetically (here: http://bit.ly/1qQ2Bu7). Check out the "launched" link. Super.

     

    Have a wonderful day and remember:

     

    Just spend less money than that which is earned - stephen tips (2014)
    11 Jul 2014, 05:39 AM Reply Like
  • pensaman
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    All those long distance drivers will adapt to Hydrogen powered FCV's including Trains like Burlington northern (owned by Warren Buffet and they almost finished testing HFC trains) , long distance trucks. Hyundai set a new record with its SUV in Europe for more than 400 mile record..

     

    Sunlight-----> Electricity ----> electrolysis --> Hydrogen ---> free fuel for the masses in Sun drenched areas....
    In India, They are covering water Canals with solar panels to reduce evaporation and electricity production. Next is production and storage of hydrogen for free distribution so that the arabs acn start riding the camels... We have abundance of Natural gas and oil but still the price of oil has not come down, because BIG Oil sells them in Eurpe for huge profits. Why in the hell are we subsidizing exported oil with our tax dollars. Stupid politicians , are robbing us....
    Hydrogen economy is going to change all that, hopefully
    11 Jul 2014, 10:57 PM Reply Like
  • keefwotspeaksthetroof
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    They've given away $200,000 worth of electricity for the month.
    That's going to help the bottom line!
    Drop in the ocean compared to the free REPLACEMENT DRIVE TRAINS, BATTERIES and all the other defective parts.
    Can't wait to see the Q2....should be a riot!!
    10 Jul 2014, 02:15 PM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    The real riot will be how many cars were sold in China. Keep shorting that is only setting the stage for another short squeeze.
    10 Jul 2014, 03:20 PM Reply Like
  • Stephen Pace
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    @keefwotspeaksthetroof I know you like to parrot this line on every Tesla post, but I don't believe that the electric motor replacements really cost Tesla that much. Some have failed, but many were just replaced after the owner complained that it was making more noise. My understanding is that Tesla replaces the motor, reworks it, and it gets reinstalled later after being repaired. This is an expense, sure, but not a large one. One commenter I saw screamed "the motors fail every 10k miles!" but I've got 14k on mine and have no issues, as do most owners. Most electric motors of this type should be good for 500k - 1M miles, so perhaps Tesla has some work to do on mean time before failure, but for the most part, the motor seems to be holding up well for most owners.
    10 Jul 2014, 04:26 PM Reply Like
  • I need a bailout
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    The only thing we know for sure from the Tesla financial statements is that warranty costs have tripled.
    10 Jul 2014, 05:50 PM Reply Like
  • User 19236151
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    they'll beat the 7500 deliveries guidance, the time to short is after the run up this magnificent accomplishment triggers...
    10 Jul 2014, 05:59 PM Reply Like
  • skyboy102
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    Gee lets look at the economics. They gave away $200 K worth of electricity to offset 168K gallons. That's how much a gallon?

     

    Tesla drivers win with sub $2 equivalent gas. Want to be on the winning side or the losing side. keep sticking that oilco needle in your arm if you wish.
    11 Jul 2014, 12:38 AM Reply Like
  • skyboy102
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    Electric motor failures in brushless AC induction motors are extremely rare. You have many in our house that run 20, 30, 50 years. The gearbox might wear out but its about 10 times simpler than an automatic transmission so even that should be substantially more reliable than and ICE transmission.

     

    Just count difference in moving parts. It is mind blowing.
    11 Jul 2014, 12:41 AM Reply Like
  • skyboy102
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    From what to what as a percent of sales. The installed base has probably tripled.
    11 Jul 2014, 12:42 AM Reply Like
  • tech01x
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    bailout, warranty holdback is a function of the number of cars in the field. You have to adjust for the larger amount of Model S's that have been sold.
    11 Jul 2014, 08:11 AM Reply Like
  • Kalud
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    Pretty cool Supercharger Dashboard screen at Hawthorne: http://bit.ly/TVoqLE
    10 Jul 2014, 02:29 PM Reply Like
  • Hmpffff
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    What a joke, tesla gave away 200k $ of electricity, people saved 500k $ worth of gasoline , probobly less as the figure is too high
    10 Jul 2014, 03:01 PM Reply Like
  • Bear Bait
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    How much coal was burned to generate all that electricity?
    10 Jul 2014, 03:02 PM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    Most of that electricity was made by sunlight or wind.

     

    At my house we are buying electricity from Green Mountain Energy. So even though we do not have solar panels on our roof, our electricity is from green and we also save on green. Electric bill last month was half what is was last year at this time.

     

    So Bear Bait, you need to refrain from throwing comments are that lacking in foundation.
    10 Jul 2014, 03:18 PM Reply Like
  • tech01x
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    Bear,

     

    Probably half of all Tesla's sold in the U.S. were sold in California, Oregon, and Washington states. Low single digit %'s in terms of coal electricity production in those states.

     

    Further, New England and mid Atlantic states use a lot of nuclear power generation at night when EV's usually charge.

     

    Even if Tesla's were charged at 96% coal electricity production, as is the case in West Virginia, the CO2 footprint of the Model S is still far superior to an equivalent car, like an Audi S7.

     

    So how much coal was burned to keep you cool during the hot summer days?
    11 Jul 2014, 08:15 AM Reply Like
  • Milhouse
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    Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
    10 Jul 2014, 03:07 PM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    Over 100 year ago there was the War of Currents.

     

    Here is the link and you can read about what happened.

     

    http://bit.ly/TVuYtV

     

    Today we have the War of the Charging Networks.

     

    Guess whose name will be on the winning technology again?
    10 Jul 2014, 03:39 PM Reply Like
  • I need a bailout
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    @surferbroadband

     

    And the winning technology will be what Apple Computer is working on

     

    Apple computer and fuel cells

     

    Seems like Apple likes fuel cells

     

    For running their data centre
    http://reut.rs/1rZxyh7

     

    For powering their mobile devices in the future
    http://bit.ly/1rZxA8S
    The main reason for the switch is Apple's dissatisfaction with battery technology.

     

    Now I wonder what Tesla thinks of that .... lugging around a big heavy, expensive polluting battery that takes up to an hour to charge and getting limited range, when they could be building a lightweight FCV that refuels in 3 minutes!

     

    I like this Fuel Cell application. The US navy launches an Fuel Cell powered drone inside a Tomahawk missile from an underwater submarine. Even the new submarines are powered by Fuel Cells.

     

    http://bit.ly/1nfgeBR

     

    Fuel Cells will be found in all forms of transportation.
    10 Jul 2014, 06:00 PM Reply Like
  • surferbroadband
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    @I need a bailout,

     

    I read all three articles. Apple is running their data centers off solar, with fuel cell as backup, there are creating a fuel cell that would extend the mobile device run time and the US Navy needs a recon drone to use fuel cell.

     

    All worthwhile efforts. But transportation is about getting the most cost effective way from point a to point b and doing it again and again.

     

    Electricity is the most effective way to power vehicles. But fuel cells are using Hydrogen that is made from Natural gas. That is not cheap. Also there are not as many fuel cell refueling centers as there are electrical outlets. How many outlets in your house? And you can always plug in every night.

     

    Currently there are 12 hydrogen stations in the US.

     

    http://1.usa.gov/1dwzOqi

     

    Currently there are 99 Tesla supercharging stations in the US.

     

    http://bit.ly/QpV8An

     

    And if you look at the two different maps, Tesla Superchargers are spread out all over the US. If Tesla continues building and comes close to what they plan on having at the end of 2015, then the game is over.

     

    So in 2016 the scenario may be, Fiat will want to sell Chrysler off, GM goes Bankrupt again and Ford tries to ask for a bailout.

     

    This time Tesla Motors will be buying all the GM facilities for pennies on the dollar like was done with the Fremont Plant, and equipment will be given away for free. The UAW will be out of the loop because, Tesla Motors is non-union and whoever is in the White House or Congress will not have the stomach for another bailout.

     

    And I do love your handle " I need a bailout". Says it all.
    11 Jul 2014, 01:21 AM Reply Like
  • I need a bailout
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    @surferbroadband, rayfellow

     

    You need to look at the big picture.

     

    If all the cars became BEVs, the grid would need a major upgrade.

     

    As it is, the USA electrical grid is straining at the edges. The average U.S. power plant is 30 years old and 70 percent of the grid's transmission lines and transformers are at least 25 years old. Power outages cost the economy $18 billion to $33 billion per year, a figure that has been rising steadily over the past 20 years. That can rise to $40 billion to $75 billion in years with severe storms. A modern, efficient grid would cost $21 billion per year for 20 years in a row.

     

    Hydrogen fueling stations for FCVs are a FAR cheaper option.
    That is why they are going to happen very fast and Tesla will be stuck with huge electrical bills because electrical rates are projected to skyrocket.

     

    http://bit.ly/1oPviph
    11 Jul 2014, 11:51 PM Reply Like
  • stockbuyer2014
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    Tesla in the long term is a great investment. just have to hold tight http://bit.ly/1jhW4r1
    10 Jul 2014, 07:14 PM Reply Like
  • Pedrito336
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    Read about HVDC transmission lines in Wikipedia, Google and elsewhere. Mr. Anarchist is not entirely out to lunch! DC transmission technology is on the cutting edge..
    11 Jul 2014, 12:57 AM Reply Like
  • Zelaza
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    Pedrito336 is correct. There are existing and planned DC transmission lines at around 500,000v, 750,000v, and at over 1,000,000v. DC is actually preferred for transmission because a thinner, lighter, and simpler wire can be used as compared to AC which suffers from skin-effect and requires a greater wire cross section. The reason AC was used for transmission for the past century is because simple transformers can be used to boost the voltage to the desired very high levels and DC could not (easily.) But for the last couple of decades, advances in high power solid state electronics makes DC to DC conversions at these voltage levels possible. There's a lot of AC to DC to DC to AC to etc. going on.
    11 Jul 2014, 11:59 PM Reply Like
  • rayfellow
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    $1,500,000 for 1 FC station
    $ 200,000 for 1 Tesla Supercharge station

     

    It takes roughly 2 KWh's of power to create 1 KWh of Hydrogen energy.

     

    FC's are not cost or energy efficient.
    11 Jul 2014, 08:57 AM Reply Like
  • Zelaza
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    rayfellow writes: " ... It takes roughly 2 KWh's of power to create 1 KWh of Hydrogen energy. "

     

    It takes about 3 kWh of ENERGY to generate 1 kWh of electrical energy at the plug.
    12 Jul 2014, 08:02 PM Reply Like
  • weedeater0622
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    Ho hum. I vote for Tesla...
    15 Jul 2014, 02:02 AM Reply Like
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