Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker easily wins his state's recall vote, which followed his...


Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker easily wins his state's recall vote, which followed his curtailing of public workers' union rights. Walker's victory will now give impetus to some of the 30 other states that may want to follow his lead as they seek to rein in budgets. A "game changer" is what Michigan state representative Mike Shirkey calls it.

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  • bbro
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    Classic overplayed hand by Labor Unions...beware of ideological driven entities.....
    they always overplay their hand....
    6 Jun 2012, 05:35 AM Reply Like
  • User 353732
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    This was ,of course, a single issue referendum rather than a traditional election. It demonstrates that when citizens clearly understand an issue and its consequences for daily living AND believe that their vote will actually be dispositive in deciding the issue they will exert themselves to vote in quite large numbers.

     

    The political, media and financial elites will not like this: participative democracy when allowed to function works and this is what scares the elites more than the actual, specific outcome.

     

    Mass participative democracy and binding results are anathema to the US Regime.
    6 Jun 2012, 05:39 AM Reply Like
  • bbro
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    Interesting..7% of the total voters voted for Walker said they would support Obama....tired of recall stuff???
    6 Jun 2012, 05:46 AM Reply Like
  • davidingeorgia
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    The same percentage thereabouts who told exit pollers they had voted for Barrett but who actually voted for Walker, you mean? Considering the level of intimidation and thuggery surrounding this election, it's no wonder people didn't want to say who they had voted for or who they might vote for in November in public where some union goon might overhear. Exit polls are always nearly useless; even moreso in a situation like this.
    6 Jun 2012, 06:21 AM Reply Like
  • bbro
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    I know you are ideological driven...but if you check the exit polls as of 11:30 p.m. they were pretty darn close to the final total.. Me thinks you
    don't like data unless it agrees with you first....oh well

     

    P.S. exit polls in their finality are incredibly accurate...but I know you won't
    change your mind
    6 Jun 2012, 06:30 AM Reply Like
  • davidingeorgia
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    Nope, I checked the first hour or so after the polls closed - not anywhere near 11:30 - and saw that the exit numbers were nowhere near the raw vote totals that were coming in so stopped paying any attention to them. Which is what I usually do with all exit polling unless someone else brings it up. The first reports in the news media about anything, elections or otherwise, tend to be wrong, almost without fail (having to fill air time without really knowing anything will do that). Of course, you have the usual suspects like CNN *still* reporting a "narrow" victory for Walker this morning. I guess they didn't check their own exit polling? As for exit polls being "incredibly accurate"...sure, right. Do I file that in the same place as I do your assertions about the economy being just fine?
    6 Jun 2012, 07:06 AM Reply Like
  • bbro
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    yeah...just ignore my information...you would be happier
    6 Jun 2012, 07:11 AM Reply Like
  • Tricky
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    This is why I think the media is overblowing the implications of this election. From what I can tell, I am not drawing the conclusion that "American voters want to clamp down on union benefits". Rather, I draw the conclusion that Wisconsinites thought a higher standard should apply to recall a governor [rightly so, in my view].

     

    But I think more data and analysis is going to have to come in over the coming weeks before the picture is truly clear.
    6 Jun 2012, 07:20 AM Reply Like
  • davidingeorgia
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    These exit polls, bbro? I'll make you a deal. I'll ignore your information, and you can keep on ignoring reality. How's that sound?

     

    http://reut.rs/MEMuhr
    6 Jun 2012, 08:50 AM Reply Like
  • bbro
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    How about you just ignore my information...OK by me...
    6 Jun 2012, 09:15 AM Reply Like
  • petten
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    Why watch CNN anyway? I stopped watching it since they fired Aaron Brown in 2005. That's approaching seven years without CNN for me.
    6 Jun 2012, 04:59 PM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    bbro, not sure where you got the idea exit polls are accurate. They're notorious for not being accurate. The reason your 11:30pm numbers looked close, is because they're not the raw exit poll numbers at that point, they're adjusted based on actual results.

     

    Here's from the Washington Post:

     

    "When actual precinct level results start to come in, exit polls are adjusted accordingly.

     

    One way to avoid Election Day confusion is to focus on what exit polls are good for — the tally of how different groups voted in an election, and their relative size in the overall electorate — not what they’re not: predicting results. "
    7 Jun 2012, 12:40 AM Reply Like
  • bbro
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    "One way to avoid Election Day confusion is to focus on what exit polls are good for — the tally of how different groups voted in an election, and their relative size in the overall electorate — not what they’re not: predicting results. "

     

    Yes that is their greatest value...beware of polls from left and right
    that change the weightings....Exit polls are a great marker to understanding the accuracy ( or inaccuracy ) of polls
    7 Jun 2012, 02:21 AM Reply Like
  • davidingeorgia
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    >>Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker easily wins his state's recall vote, which followed his curtailing of public workers' union rights. <<

     

    Enough with the leftwing narrative, SA. Walker didn't curtail anything. The duly-elected Wisconsin legislature did. He signed what they passed into law. That's how democracy works. The only reason for this recall mess was that he actually *kept* campaign promises, as did the GOP members of the legislature.

     

    >>Walker's victory will now give impetus to some of the 30 other states that may want to follow his lead as they seek to rein in budgets.<<

     

    The fact that those states can't afford to give public union employees gold-plated pay and benefits packages anymore will be what gives this movement impetus, just like it did in Wisconsin in the first place. And, by the way, the reforms put in place by the Wisconsin legislature and signed by Walker actually saved a ton of *union* jobs in the state. Not that that sort of thing seems to matter to the mass of sore losers trying to recall Walker.
    6 Jun 2012, 06:18 AM Reply Like
  • lindsay lopez
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    Also stop with the narrative that the Koch brothers are greedy pigs that financed this election for their business purposes. Also that the Lord didn't give resource harvesters dominion over ALL of creation.
    6 Jun 2012, 12:25 PM Reply Like
  • DianeLee
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    Gracious, Lindsay, stop with the bossy bit. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it doesn't match yours.
    6 Jun 2012, 12:35 PM Reply Like
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