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Apple (AAPL) is seeking U.S. bans on 8 Samsung (SSNLF.PK) smartphones, Bloomberg reports. The...

Apple (AAPL) is seeking U.S. bans on 8 Samsung (SSNLF.PK) smartphones, Bloomberg reports. The devices include four Galaxy S II models and the Epic 4G, but not the Galaxy S III or the Galaxy Nexus. The S III was launched too late to be included in Apple's suit, thus an injunction request might require another legal action. But the Nexus was declared to be infringing - was it spared due to its use of stock Android (previous), or is it already covered by a pre-trial injunction? (more)
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  • wigit5
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    Surprise surprise
    27 Aug 2012, 02:38 PM Reply Like
  • Tack
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    Other than the damage payment, this lawsuit is going to have little impact on Google or Samsung, going forward.
    27 Aug 2012, 02:39 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Really. Samsung was down nearly 7.5% on the KOSPI.

     

    HTC is on the chopping block because of this decision as well. And they're already losing market share at the high and bottom end of their product line.

     

    Perhaps a few words from Samsung might suggest this is more then a little bump in the road ...

     

    "Samsung executives were still reeling in shock Sunday, but provided no clear hint on the company's next move in the showdown with its industry archrival. It's widely expected that Samsung will appeal, but the outlook for success in the appeal now looks rather murky.

     

    "It's absolutely the worst scenario for us," a senior Samsung executive said as he rushed into the company's compound in southern Seoul.

     

    Inside the building, Choi Gee-sung, former Samsung Electronics CEO and now the head of Samsung Group's corporate strategy division, was holding an emergency meeting attended by Shin Jong-kyun, the company's mobile devices chief, and Lee Dong-joo, lead marketing official.."

     

    http://bit.ly/SFsjl3
    27 Aug 2012, 02:53 PM Reply Like
  • Tack
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    Gen:
    The typical hysteria. It's just a nice buying opp, as will become evident.
    27 Aug 2012, 03:00 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Add that Google pointed out that most of the infringement found in the trial was specific to Samsung, not to Android.
    27 Aug 2012, 03:08 PM Reply Like
  • Papa of Four
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    I am still maintaining my position. Got out of apple last week after holding since august 2004. Samsung bot the better verdict in Taiwan courts and the big market is CHINA....
    Still say The only real winner in all this is HIMX..
    Samsung is supplied by HIMX ( display drivers)....... Samsung supplies Display for Apple( so pretty good chance HIMX drivers are in Apple products already).... As PC market (Dell and HP supplied by HIMX) falls apart and more people move to smartphones and tablets ( supplied by HIMX but with better margins) the phone and tablet wars are going to increase in intensity. The upshot is I dont know who will ultimately win as a manufacturer, just that they are probably supplied by HIMX. thestreet also upgraded them on Friday from hold to BUY.

     

    They also have great exposure to the Win8 launch, another catalyst in the back half of this year.

     

    Disclosure I am long HIMX from $1.60 and have a price target of $3-$4 over 12 months
    27 Aug 2012, 03:20 PM Reply Like
  • Mike Voelk
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    For this case perhaps, but what about a follow on case against Google? Not sure I know if that is understood yet--not that I have any information on the topic. I like Apple and Microsoft in this space because they will both be vertically integrated in two profound but separate ways....one is more consumer and one is more business but both are integrated hardware/software platforms.
    27 Aug 2012, 03:48 PM Reply Like
  • bjnflicks
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    Samsung's problems may provide a buying op, but not yet, nowhere near the bottom for them potentially. Right now, Samsung owners and executives are "in shock" and rightly so. They really had no idea they were this vulnerable. They were just coming off great sales numbers, a big Olympic PR blitz and temporary-at-least #1 status and may not have realized what a jury made up of tech-savvy silicon valley jurers (who know very well how innovative Apple and Jobs have been) might cause to Samsung's future. Over in Asia, you see, it is considered normal and acceptable to copy-cat products. That's how Japan's tech boom started way back when. Provide the same or similar product for less. It works every time, but if you read Job's bio you see that an Apple core belief (punintended) has been to defend its copyrights fiercely no matter how much it costs. And Jobs drew a line in the sand on iPhones and iPads after letting Microsoft get away with stealing windows. So it should be no surprise now that Apple has a tactical advantage for them to go for the kill. And expect them to do this globally, everywhere. And Samsung may be a big cheese but it "only" has 20 billion cash next to Apple's 120 billion, and smaller Android using companies have much less and much more to lose percentage wise.

     

    They say this won't hurt Google much, but that may not even be true. We simply don't know what Apple has on Google. And boy would they like to knock down that Android system.

     

    Back to the point, I see Samsung's maximum potential liability as around 20 billion, but only if they continue to stonewall and not accept a far cheaper royalties pay-out scheme. After that, they could modify their products to avoid Apple's copyrights, so in the long run they could be "fine" but this trouble for Samsung could literally strip the company of all smart phone profits for several years, and that means the stock may be only beginning to fall.

     

    It sell 9% today I think, well triple that before I would consider buying, and if Samsung stockholders want to wait this out and hope foir the best, buyers beware. It could take a year or two to get back to where the stock was Friday. Because Apple is not finished yet by any stretch oif the imagination and this one big battle won means they should be going in for the kill to win the war and end it to their satisfaction. we shall see what happens, but Samsung is definitely not a buying op yet. This is not just some bad PR or temporary setback, this is about their survival as a dominant mid-to-upper- level smart phone maker. And if they are not careful, all the profits they are making now from smart phones may soon be transfered to Apple's bank accounts by court order.
    27 Aug 2012, 05:21 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    bj

     

    Your confidence in forecasting the future is ridiculous. There are so many variables in play right now you have no idea what you are talking about.
    27 Aug 2012, 09:14 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Sure. If you can buy Samsung on the KOSPI go for it. I also expect AAPL to pull back today. You can short AAPL.
    28 Aug 2012, 09:03 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    I suppose we should add up the dollar amounts for each successful claim to see ... if that's the measure. I'm not sure I'm interested in doing that. Are you interested in doing that?
    28 Aug 2012, 09:05 AM Reply Like
  • highrisker11
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    Stop Trolling Priota...
    27 Aug 2012, 02:45 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    This is a mess. But chaos creates opportunity.
    27 Aug 2012, 03:28 PM Reply Like
  • deercreekvols
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    Great point. It is a mess. Apple gets to pick which Samsung products are out. It is like a smartphone fantasy draft!

     

    Chaos is also a great defense for Jon Corzine and MF Global executives.

     

    No opportunity to be found at MFG, only baknkruptcy.
    27 Aug 2012, 03:35 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    I am relooking at RIMM and GOOG and upstream suppliers.

     

    Too bad we couldn't buy a law firm working on this case.
    27 Aug 2012, 03:38 PM Reply Like
  • ALLAN CAPLAN
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    AMEN
    27 Aug 2012, 04:07 PM Reply Like
  • jjmc2001
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    Most law firms could never go public. Way too many financial skeletons in the closet to pass SEC scrutiny.
    27 Aug 2012, 05:10 PM Reply Like
  • krames
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    Samsung strategically place the two latest phones on the market just in time to not be part of the law suit and, they probably have the worst patent abuses of all the phones in question. Since the release they have sold 12 million phones.I hope our American carriers stop highly recommending the Samsung vs the Apple just because they make a few cents more commission.
    I know a couple of people that went to AT&T with intention of the iPhone and were hard sold on the Samsung III.They have become worse than used car salesman..No offense to anybody.
    27 Aug 2012, 04:22 PM Reply Like
  • $CLU
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    Samsung must be smiling on that. They banned last years model. The stores are mainly selling the S III now.
    Talk about a "whack a mole" game!
    The phones don't have a lifespan of more than 2 years and typically new models introduced every 6 months.
    27 Aug 2012, 04:25 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    In which case it would be pretty stupid for Samsung to waste money on an appeal.

     

    We'll get to see in a couple of weeks whether Samsung is utterly stupid for appealing.
    30 Aug 2012, 08:45 AM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    I think you are missing the point here gensearch2; if that was the case why not settle why go to court at all... This is about image, not money not patents. Samsung wants to avoid being labeled a copier, they want to be seen as pioneers and inventors and on the edge. If all they do is simply copy Apple how can they claim that.
    30 Aug 2012, 08:48 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    They didn't settle because they thought they would win. I sincerely doubt that Samsung cares about some label that no one knows about. If they didn't want to be known as a copier, they should have not copied.

     

    Even their own internal documentation told the designers to copy the iPhone. E-mails from Google to Samsung told them not to copy the iphone ... The label "copier" is already there.

     

    How about LG? Any chance this looks like a copy of the iPhone?

     

    http://bit.ly/R1wKR2

     

    Without ever going to court, it's an obvious knockoff.

     

    You also assume Apple would license on it's trade dress. I think the odds of that are none to zero. I think hey would license the pinch to zoom, but not the trade dress.
    31 Aug 2012, 09:28 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    As a separate point. I don't think that Samsung wants to be known as an "innovator". Samsung wants to make money. They want to build a product that people want to buy.

     

    I'm not sure that Apple wants to be known as an innovator. They also want to make money. They want to make products that people want to buy. Look at one of Apple's Siri ads ... it isn't about "innovation", it's about something useful that you want to have. The Siri ads make you smile.

     

    Much of Apple's designs are about ecosystems. Getting you to buy one product, which leads you to buy another product which uses the same ecosystem. Your music library is available on all the Apple devices with the same interface ... iMac, iPad, iTouch, iPhone, Apple TV .... it's all there with the same simple interface.

     

    Out of the total population of smartphone users, how many care what the underlying the name video processor? Uses don't care about the dpi spec ... they care about ... Wow! what a display.

     

    Tell me about Samsung's ecosystem.
    31 Aug 2012, 09:43 AM Reply Like
  • Papa of Four
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    Display provided by HIMX
    31 Aug 2012, 09:47 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    Samsung is just a manufacturer with a very good reputation for building high value products.

     

    Not much of innovation and not developing ecosystems but that is true of almost every Asia company. Look at Sony. They have assets for an ecosystem but never have done it.

     

    This is a clash of cultures in some respects.
    31 Aug 2012, 12:33 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Apple goes after Galaxy S3, Note in new court filing

     

    Fresh off its recent patent triumph over Samsung in a Northern California court, Apple files an amended complaint with the same court in a separate case, adding Samsung's flagship Galaxy S3 smartphone to the mix. ....

     

    http://cnet.co/OPlqKd

     

    ;o)
    1 Sep 2012, 08:55 AM Reply Like
  • bjnflicks
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    Interesting to see so many posters naysaying the verdict against Samsung and taking the opposite point of view as the jury did. However, that verdict is very unlikely to ever be reversed so let's all deal with that reality and the possible tsunami it creates which has certainly put chills down the spine of everyone on earth who profits from Samsung or Android products. That is undeniable.

     

    So what is most important going forward and what really matters now? Apple's scary real new leverage in courtrooms around the world, and the fact they expect every dollar invested in lawyers will net them $100 versus other companies like Samsung who will have to pay, pay and possibly keep paying if they don't settle.

     

    I may not know tech stuff, but I do know corporate opyright lawsuits as I was involved in two of them as a plaintiff with one large corp paying my legal bills against another large corp that infringed on me and my corp ally both. They stole our idea and they knew it, our case wass much stronger and the idea was worth around 100 million. So let's take my case and multiply it by 100, but otherwise these are the relevant similarities.

     

    1) Every big corp has a certain amount of liability insurance and a certain amount of cash they are willing to invest in lawsuits. Liability insurance generally only covers the cost of their attorneys initiual defense moves, then if it looks bad, the insurer (and stockholders) may pressure the weaker party to settle.

     

    2) Apple may have many more lawsuits to file for all kinds of technical and strategic reasons, but ideally they would like to settle. They already offered Samsung a $30 per phone royalty which Samsung rejected, a big mistake by Samsung. And they have to realize it now. Plus 10 billion off their market cap today rubs it in.

     

    So, what Apple now has is additional painful leverage which to force the settlement(s) they want. So far they have won 1 billion (or 3 if the judge triples it) but that is nowhere near what Apple wants and mioght just get, that is the successful acquisition of royalty payments (or please dont sue us pay-offs) so many different companbies, but esp Samsung, can continue selling their products without fear of more lawsuits and all the uncertainty that goes with that.

     

    3) So, the Apple attorneys are now tightening the screws on that torture device, They are the ones deemed credible now, so they can ask for anything they want, in hopes of getting 50%, which is still a commanding boatload of royalties and cash. We could be talking 10-20 billion dollars here, but if Apple keeps winning they could cause damage to competitors worth even more. So that is what is happening now and I can tell you from experience that the enormnous pressure now is on samsung and others to back off and settle.

     

    In short, Apple has nothing to lose by suing and demanding away.
    and Samsung has everythging to gain by settling fast before everyone on the planet knows they make "knock-offs" (however true that may be). Samsung just spent a ton of money during the Olympics trying to brand themselves as a #1 company. This, if not handled quickly and humbly, could damage their brand name forever, and that is worth many many billions to avoid.

     

    Finally, some posters are stating Samsung is now king because during the last month "everyone they know: is buying the latest Samsung. That is for three reasons; phone companies are pushing Android phones, Apple fans are waiting for September to upgrade, and also the fact that Samsung is already in every country in the world, while Apple has only just begun to sell and promote in the developing countries. I am posting from South America now and here it was only six months ago Apple products suddenly appeared aimed at wealthy customers only. But Samsung has been here for years and has a huge head-start. But over time, that head-start will diminish as the word is already out that Apple is the phone (and pad) to own, if you can afford it, and if you can't, scrouge up nthe money because it is WAY cool, unlike samsung which is just semi-cool, and now branded as a copy-cat. So, very bad day for Samsung and Android and it may be just the beginning unless they get smart and settle fast.
    27 Aug 2012, 04:27 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    bj

     

    I don't agree with your binary view of the world. There are a lot of variables in play right now and Apple may in the end lose much more than they gain. The number of scenarios that could play out is pretty large.

     

    Apple for their part IMO is too caught up in the war of securing picayune design details and features and being offended that someone thinks rounded corners are not worthy of a patent. Apple has competed very well just on product alone and is now using the courts to bolster their position and hold back competition. That is usually a sign of a weakening hand. They also remind me of MS at their peak. And government blow back could be intense. If killing Apple for votes becomes a scenario then look out.

     

    So if industry penalties are very high you could see Samsung partner with MS and/or RIMM. Apple could force everyone else together and in combination they have massive resources and cut across many countries and legal systems.

     

    This is still in the 1st quarter.
    27 Aug 2012, 04:40 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    TomasViewPoint is right there is still a lot of playing out to do before we can really declare this a victory for either side. And if the world doesn't follow suit then really Apple has only won a US victory... while big is only what 1/4 maybe 1/3 of the world market?
    27 Aug 2012, 04:46 PM Reply Like
  • Tack
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    TVP:

     

    Apple is behaving exactly as I would expect, when left by a visionary to be run by typical businessmen and lawyers.
    27 Aug 2012, 04:53 PM Reply Like
  • Bubbahotep 3
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    Here's an interesting take on product counterfeiting that might be interesting to you. I never thought about the comparison with fake Rolex watches or fake Gucci bags. I know in the US those folks are prosecuted.

     

    http://ti.me/NsTOhb
    27 Aug 2012, 06:08 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    Tack

     

    I agree and also keep in mind that Steve Job's emotions almost destroyed the first Apple company. And a lot of times Jobs used emotion to get his way but stopped short of suing anyone.
    27 Aug 2012, 09:15 PM Reply Like
  • bjnflicks
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    Also, a note on Nokia and Microsoft. NOK went up 10% today which is a huge relief for stockholders, and which takes them out of a possible death spiral. But I just listened to an analyst on Bloomberg who recommends shorting NOK now. Why? It appears that while they and Microsoft have a big Windows phone launch coming, they have also invested a HUGE amount of cash in that, and it remains a risky bet regardless of the Samsung verdict. The analyst claims that NOK's next earnings release will be abyssmal and show a huge cash burn. and their cash reserves were their biggest former claim to fame. So be careful with NOK. If the Windows phone isn't big hit, the death spiral could resume. There is no such risk with Apple.
    27 Aug 2012, 04:33 PM Reply Like
  • Yokyok
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    if you seriously think anybody is gonna give up their galaxy s3 for a nokia phone with that hideously ugly wp7 you are taking too many happy pills
    27 Aug 2012, 04:36 PM Reply Like
  • jjmc2001
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    I am giving up an old iphone 3G for the new Windows 8 Lumia or whatever it is called. We will be migrating all 5 of our phones to NOK in the next few months. We are still using two old NOK feature phones which are still serviceable after many years. Worst two phones I ever had for call quality and durability were both Samsung. I have used the Androids and am not impressed. Looked at the Samsung G III and still wasn't impressed. So there is at least one of us out there.
    27 Aug 2012, 05:17 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    @jjmc2001 I'm doing the same changing my iphone in for nokia can't wait.
    27 Aug 2012, 06:30 PM Reply Like
  • selimthesot
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    @jjmc My Mrs is using one of those Nokia Lumia phones and all I can say to you is they are terrible.. Even she admits it is terrible & inferior to the iphone 3s that i am using and this view is coming from someone who doesn't get off the phone which should not be discounted...
    27 Aug 2012, 06:46 PM Reply Like
  • jjmc2001
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    I would like to hear more about that opinion. Feel free to send me a private message. I am not happy with maps on the iphone and do not listen to music on the phone so it looked to me like the Lumia had the edge.
    27 Aug 2012, 06:59 PM Reply Like
  • Clint007
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    It is war time Apple vs Samsung. Those two have super good phones but I prefer a phone witch is not block nowhere on the planet.
    I'm also incline for Nokia or Sony's phone.
    I'm sure Nokia will come soon with a big surprise in his technology, and soon. Also Nokia shares are very low now ($3.25).

     

    http://seekingalpha.co...

     

    http://seekingalpha.co...
    28 Aug 2012, 08:27 AM Reply Like
  • bjnflicks
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    Message to poster who claims Samsung "won". Again, I have experience with corporate copyright lawsuits. One motion need not include every demand, not even close. Only the demands the attorneys are 100% ready to defend with strong evidence. The newest Samsung phone which is not yet on their currrent ban list may be on their next one, and the threat of putting it on the next list will be used as leverage against Samsung now to force them to pay royalties or face more possibly catastrophic courtroom losses. Renmember, this is all about legal leverage now, not much else., This is a hardbacll corporate negotiation going on. The courts anbd evidence aere just tools and weapons. Bottomline, if Samsung is afraid it is guilty and will be found so, they will be the ones who are afraid, and the fearful party always settles unless they are willing to risk everything and possibly go out with a bang. Samsung is a much bigger company that smart phones alone. It also values its reputation, brand name and ability to keep selling smart phones. So they have a tremendous amount to lose while right n ow it appears Apple has nothing to lose. So expect all the most valuable Samsung phones to be on that list soon, unless Samsung settles, and it appears they are crazy if they don't. But anything can happen. Stayed tuned, and (my bias) stay long on Apple. I will buy Samksung only if it drops another 20%. and it might soon.
    27 Aug 2012, 04:39 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    When has anyone ever bought a cell phone because the company had a better reputation? Outside of quality, price and feature/functionality nobody cares.
    27 Aug 2012, 09:17 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    On the other hand it could be the same as cars. Price and the color. Don't we all see cars on the road that get the worst ratings but sell anyway? If people bought on "quality, price and feature/functionality" Chrysler would have gone out of business 20 years ago.
    28 Aug 2012, 09:11 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    Hey they had cupholders. :-)
    28 Aug 2012, 10:51 AM Reply Like
  • Deja Vu
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    I wonder why everyone is so sure that Apple is immune from being the defendant. In this case they performed an orchestrated mugging of Samsung that Samsung did not expect.

     

    I think Apple is more vulnerable because they usually have one single marquee phone model and all their phones run the same operating system and they have the most money in the bank.

     

    Add to the fact that their phone lineage doesn't go back very far, if I was a troll, the juiciest target on the horizon is ....Apple. A phone is made up of thousands of little pieces of intellectual property. Much of it is patented and patents are held by others.

     

    Now with Apple's scorched earth policy and also by demonstrating the low bar to winning, no one has slightest reason to hold back from suing Apple. whether you are a phone manufacturer or a NPE troll. Apple has just put itself against the entire world. Remember the first battle is not the war. The SCOTUS has proved much less sympathetic to patent claims than lower courts. The perfect example was Myriad Genetics, which won in all the lower courts to finally lose in the SCOTUS.
    27 Aug 2012, 06:56 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Re: "I wonder why everyone is so sure that Apple is immune from being the defendant."

     

    I wasn't aware that there was anyone who thought Apple is immune from being a defendant. I would expect that every person on Alpha who follows Apple is well aware that Apple is a defendant in multiple active suits in multiple countries. South Korea just had a ruling, the ITC just ruled; Germany had a ruling not long ago. Motorola is suing them, Kodak is suing them ....

     

    So where did you get the idea the everyone thinks Apple is immune from being a defendant? Did Samsung issue that in a press release?
    28 Aug 2012, 09:16 AM Reply Like
  • criz
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    aww, that is a big lost for the Samsung.
    27 Aug 2012, 09:56 PM Reply Like
  • dmarilley
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    Anyone that thinks the judges instructions were followed is on crack.
    28 Aug 2012, 12:44 AM Reply Like
  • dmarilley
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    My phone is 5 years old, Samsung Rant. I will upgrade when I have IBMs Watson and can transfer my phone screen to any LCD screen at will. Anything else is not an upgrade worth ten cents.
    29 Aug 2012, 08:01 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    How many people out of the global smartphone market share your "minimum essential requirement"?
    6 Sep 2012, 09:11 AM Reply Like
  • Papa of Four
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    which you can do with the new Lumina. And yet everyone saying it is a flop?
    6 Sep 2012, 09:49 AM Reply Like
  • dmarilley
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    The point is, the number of people not impressed with what will be the iphone 5, is likely increasing exponentially
    6 Sep 2012, 01:07 PM Reply Like
  • Papa of Four
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    I agree dmarilley. My real question is, if Win8 is just more compatible with the corporate world, is that enough to push every sales force in the country to switch from the laptop to the NEW Win8 tablets?
    Secondly, if they switch to the Win8 tablets, what cellphones are the companies likely to issue(as the work phone)?
    Third, when that happens, it will not be purely an USA phenomenon it will be global.

     

    So does MSFT regain absolute control over the corpoate world again, and leave AMZN, Samsung, GOOG and Apple to fight over the recreational user? Samsung being the only one which may make inroads with its own Windows phone>>>>>
    Thoughts?
    6 Sep 2012, 02:57 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    Would make sense that the innovation curve is leveling off or at least the whiz bang wow curve.
    6 Sep 2012, 03:01 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    That really wasn't your point. You had a very specific statement of required capability. It wasn't a required capability that I had ever seen anyone state before.... " I will upgrade when I have IBMs Watson and can transfer my phone screen to any LCD screen at will. Anything else is not an upgrade worth ten cents. "

     

    How many people do you think share that minimum essential requirement? If it's the entire universe of smartphone buyers, that might be catastrophic to the industry at large.
    7 Sep 2012, 09:40 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    It appears that after the announcement of the Lumia no one seemed to notice.

     

    The Lumia has one or two problems.

     

    Problem 1: Windows 8

     

    Problem 2 [maybe]. I won't begin to guess how popular that color scheme for phones might be. Perhaps it will be the hottest thing since sliced bread, perhaps not. I can imagine it being popular in one geographic region but not another. I wouldn't make any prediction based on my preference. 50 million people watch professional wrestling and I'm not one of them.

     

    On the bright side, Nokia seems to have gotten more attention than Motorola did for it's new phone.
    7 Sep 2012, 09:45 AM Reply Like
  • krames
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    ''A wise man learns from his mistakes, a wiser man learns from others'' Steve Job was a wise man .Tim Cook will be a wiser man..
    5 Sep 2012, 11:12 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    Some people think that Jobs was the end of wisdom. And nothing prevents Cook from making new mistakes.
    6 Sep 2012, 02:30 PM Reply Like
  • Papa of Four
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    MSFT Down 1.5%
    NOK Up 7% on the day, almost back to where we were before the announcement of the lumina. The gut reaction sell off may not have been the right one, and is this going to put pressure on the latest wave of SHORTs.

     

    Lumina will be out in Europe in November, how long till you can get one in the USA. Combined launch with Win8 tablet has got to attract more interest, I just hope they are good.

     

    HIMX has not moved much at all during all this. The have stated that they have a new contract to supply another leading smartphone maker(other than Samsung who they also supply), but are refusing to Name them. I had been thinking it was GOOG/MOTA, but it may well be NOKIA as HIMX is expecting a lot of extra business from Win8 launch. They said this in the last CC, I had assumed it was from Medium sized drivers, laptops and bigger, but they said this knowing that PC sales were terrible. I imagine, the increased earnings will be coming from the small driver segment, smartphones and tablets. So once again which manufacturer are they supplying in addition to Samsung?

     

    Thoughts
    7 Sep 2012, 04:27 PM Reply Like
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