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Ahead of a Dec. 6 injunction hearing for 8 phones, Samsung (SSNLF.PK) says it will respond to...

Ahead of a Dec. 6 injunction hearing for 8 phones, Samsung (SSNLF.PK) says it will respond to Apple's (AAPL) legal win by working with U.S. carriers to "jointly develop modified design technology." Apple might not mind this response, to the extent it's pursuing its legal war to get Android (GOOG) OEMs to change their phone designs. But Samsung still plans to fully appeal Apple's win, and is investigating a report a patent owned by the California jury's foreman is used in Apple devices. (more)
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  • Clayton Rulli
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    So their phones cant be rectangle. i dont get it
    30 Aug 2012, 01:03 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    How could the Jury Foreman have a patent being used and that get overlooked?

     

    I'm not saying it didn't or couldn't happen but that seems pretty unlikely.
    30 Aug 2012, 01:12 PM Reply Like
  • jswieter
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    Its obvious you don't get it. It goes beyond the shape. Its the design of IP that they have innovated and Samsung copied. You can't copy design. It's illegal.
    30 Aug 2012, 02:07 PM Reply Like
  • dmarilley
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    Apple is done
    30 Aug 2012, 01:12 PM Reply Like
  • smart_investoor
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    apple is desperate
    30 Aug 2012, 01:15 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    I really doubt you can consider Apple desperate at this point.
    30 Aug 2012, 01:17 PM Reply Like
  • jswieter
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    Desperate? What planet are you on and what are you smoking? Apple is only jettisoning the copy cats and teaching everyone a lesson on design and IP innovation....where they lead the world. Once, they get beyond this and head into the future, others will be further behind. Lesson's learned.

     

    It's all of the others who are desperate.
    30 Aug 2012, 02:09 PM Reply Like
  • bjnflicks
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    Anyone who is poo-poo'ing Apple now and promoting Samsung instead is not a smart investor. Samsung may be an excellent company but it has been damaged and will remain damaged so long as they keep pretending they are innocent and denying reality. Samsung can recover fine, but first they need to pay for their sins, re-design then move on. Meanwhile, Apple is headed into the most massively profitable next 9 months or so in corporate history. I see no problem to get past $750 then $800 and beyond even with a few minor issues. The mini iPad could be as huge as the iPhone 5 and everyone on earth who can afford to spend a little more will want the Apple over the Samsung. Unless they are a patriotic Korean or something. Apple is simply a superior product with far superior software and features. The Android software is fine but not great. My Android phone screws up constantly, as if it has a mind of its own. I spend at least an hour a week fixing it to undo things it does I never asked it to do, and it constantly pocket calls, even ex girlfriends I haven't spoken to for a year which is quite irritating. The other day I pulled out by Android and it was playing some video from CNBC. Why? It does that sort of thing all the time and I hgave been back to T-Mobile several times to get it fixed. I talked to the repair cheif at the local Verizon store and he told me he hadn't had a single Apple product returned or in need of fixing all year. Take that to the bank, my friend.
    30 Aug 2012, 07:29 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    I'm not promoting Sammy but I think Apple has a lot more headwinds than you examine in your post.

     

    For one, the absolutely massive amount of product it has to move to keep its share price moving at the current rate. For another, iPhone5 needs to be the bee's knees by all accounts if its going to garner the interest you claim, and I don't see any new, ground breaking tech with which it can achieve that.

     

    It's going to have the same UI, the same integration the same... well everything. Maybe a faster processor. Maybe NFC? Anything that isn't available on the competition? Even if the competition doesn't have it, it will in short order, and it will do it on a variety of device shapes and sizes that will cover every possible niche.

     

    Most importantly and vastly underestimated, iPhone5 is now going to be going up against WindowsPhone8, which by all accounts is becoming a compelling competitor, and the iPad will be competing with Windows Surface.

     

    WindowsRT/Windows8tablet is probably the single most underestimated headwind iPad will have to compete with.

     

    I'm not saying Apple won't sell a lot of product, I'm just wondering if it will sell the amount of product that justifies a $700 price.
    30 Aug 2012, 07:56 PM Reply Like
  • Seeker959
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    I'm amazed at a couple things, first is how absolutely revolutionary the iPhone was 5 years ago at it's release, it was a work of art and the envy of practically everyone. Apple has made virtually anything with an "i" quite popular and by controlling who can sell their product and setting the prices stores can charge they have made anything "i" more of a collectors item rather then a commodity but the second amazing thing is just how truly bland and dated their equipment is looking, their hardware designers were ones true artisans but now they change the aspect ratio of a screen and people salivate for it, the iOS doesn't seem to be progressing as fast as the open architecture of Android, sure maybe Android has borrowed something from Apple, although being able to touch a screen with 2 fingers and zoom or rotate shouldn't be able to be patented any more then drinking a glass of water with your lips touching the glass should be.

     

    The point is Apple is a great company but are their current ideas and designs as fresh as they were 5 years ago? Nortel (Once was a telecom company) came out with the Meridian phone system, this was the business standard for 10 years while Nortel developed a lot of crap and now Nortel is gone, I'm not saying that Apple is developing crap but they are becoming the slow moving behemoth that Microsoft once was and IBM and many other companies that are around today but that don't have the market cap that Apple does.

     

    Will Apple be a Trillion dollar stock, Probably but I saw one story that said they'd be a 3 trillion dollar stock by 2022, I have a hard time believing that this will happen given that the rate of change for Apple's designs seems a bit long to me.
    30 Aug 2012, 08:43 PM Reply Like
  • padresguy
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    I all I can say is User Error. I haven't had a single problem in 2 years. I'm sure you complain about Win7 as well. Stick to the mindless ijunk. God forbid you should use your brain to work with technology. Let apple think for you, it's probably better for everyone else that way.
    30 Aug 2012, 11:49 PM Reply Like
  • mcclux
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    A lot of the infringement was based on specific ways that interactions happen within the software, and that's what Samsung is going to change. Nothing to do with rectangles or the actual hardware. Don't let your lack of understanding of any of this get in the way of having strong opinions about why this means that Apple is finished or anything though.
    30 Aug 2012, 01:18 PM Reply Like
  • Applocrat
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    in what world does a stunning unanimous victory imply defeat?
    30 Aug 2012, 02:06 PM Reply Like
  • jswieter
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    In the world of myopic haters who can't see beyond a spreadsheet or some analysts opinion. The multitudes of people who have no vision or appreciation of great design and innovation. And where iot comes from and how it is achieved.
    30 Aug 2012, 02:13 PM Reply Like
  • padresguy
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    A clearly biased jury sure didn't hurt.
    30 Aug 2012, 02:15 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    If the rest of the world doesn't follow suit I'd agree with you padresguy, but that story may never play out.

     

    Seeing as all the models that may be restricted in the US are old, and Samsung has a much bigger global footprint then just the US I don't think Samsung will suffer much from this.
    30 Aug 2012, 02:17 PM Reply Like
  • padresguy
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    Right, it seems like a simple tweak to the forthcoming samsung phones will get around the lawsuit, and not hinder sales. Pinch zoom and rounded corners is not stopping me from buying a far cheaper and more advanced phone.
    30 Aug 2012, 02:33 PM Reply Like
  • bjnflicks
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    There is zero evidence the jury was biased. None of them own any Apple products and two of them had Samsung phones. Samsung's lawyers had ample opportunity to question and throw out any juror they wanted to, and this is the jury they agreed to. It's called the law. The problem for Samsung is that Apple had the facts on their side. And that was proven. The juror who gave an interview to Bloomberg the other day stated that every single juror was 100% in agreement that Samsung willfully infringed. Looking back, in fact, it seems like a slamdunk case for Apple, just very complex due to the often minute technical aspects.
    30 Aug 2012, 07:23 PM Reply Like
  • jswieter
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    Advanced phone? Far from it. Apple is light years ahead in that category (from the design, technology, UI, apps, eco system, usability, simplicity. Apple is not Hyundai. The Asian market is world renown for making things cheapa, cheapa, cheapa. I prefer to live in a world of quality. Not some Android phone made by Samsung that falls apart after normal use or has issues like so many do. Cheap plastic throw aways. Not green or recyclable or resell like Apple.
    30 Aug 2012, 03:22 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    jswieter,
    While there is a fairly large market that you probably fit in, there is a much larger market for the 'cheapa' products that mimic the expensive ones.

     

    So investors need to view both and see which companies suite their needs better.

     

    Apple isn't light years ahead of anyone or anything with their currently selling products. You would have a case a few years back when the iPhone first released or iPad debut. But really everyone has the ability to re-create what Apple is doing now. Doesn't exactly scream 'light years ahead'. Unless your definition is different.
    30 Aug 2012, 03:31 PM Reply Like
  • padresguy
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    You'd swear the icrap was made in the USA. A sweat shop in china also qualifies as cheapa, only they charge a 100% premium for the suckers.
    30 Aug 2012, 05:04 PM Reply Like
  • Seeker959
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    Give me a break, Apple is no more friend to the environment then Samsung or Nokia. Apple manufactures in China as does almost everyone else. BTW Apple does everything in it's power to make your iPhone cheapa cheapa cheapa. I will give you that Apple makes a well built product except for phone reception, iPhone has never been all that good at making phone calls but for Words With Friends and all the other apps it is quite good but then so is Samsung or LG.
    30 Aug 2012, 08:51 PM Reply Like
  • Atkins
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    When you are looking into the background of the jury members post-trial, that's the sign of desperation.
    30 Aug 2012, 05:29 PM Reply Like
  • chintan1671
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    Apple is light years back of other products. The processor, mother board, RAM, 4G network for iPhone 4S came after Samsung had it out for 2 years with many other features. Apple is just copy cat and tweaks the the products / features which are already available in market. Except SIRI i don't see any feature of Apple.
    30 Aug 2012, 05:35 PM Reply Like
  • bjnflicks
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    You obviously don't know what you are talking about or are posting dishonestly. The fact is Apple spent four years carefully developing the iPhone and patenting every new feature as they went, and Samsung had nothing like it. But as soon as they saw the iPhone, they copied key features of it. The copying process took 4 months. Including the design, packaging and look, so as to fool customers into thinking they were getting something just like an iPhone for less. Samsung may have brilliant engineers too, but like all the rest in Asia, copying is a big part of their normal daily business plans. They do not respect copyright and patents much. This is clesar, which is why the jury was unanimous in their verdict that Samsung deliberately copied the iPhone and Tablet too, in many respects, It is obvious if you look at the two products. So now, Samsung needs to pay the piper for its sins then redesign and be a lot more ethical going forward, or else this will happen to them again. And the more they fight it the worse it will be for them, financially and in bterms of reputation, not to mention possibly being banned in the US and other countries.
    30 Aug 2012, 07:19 PM Reply Like
  • chintan1671
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    I meant .. Apple see what is going on in the market, get the IDEA from market and make it best to its level.
    No doubt they bring the best inline products but it gets the idea from the MARKET where there is a sample of feature already available.
    7 Sep 2012, 06:06 PM Reply Like
  • chintan1671
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    Look .. Now HTC, Samsung sues Apple for patent infringement for LTE use in iPhone 5. You should have understood that i mean ...
    11 Sep 2012, 05:19 PM Reply Like
  • DanoX
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    Hater's will Hate Ha..ha..
    30 Aug 2012, 05:48 PM Reply Like
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