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Nokia (NOK) and AT&T (T) plan to begin selling the just-announced Lumia 920 and 820 on Nov....

Nokia (NOK) and AT&T (T) plan to begin selling the just-announced Lumia 920 and 820 on Nov. 2, sources tell TechRadar and The Verge. That's a few days after Microsoft's official launch date for Windows Phone 8. Yesterday, Verizon Wireless confirmed to the WSJ it will sell Nokia WP8 devices, but declined to provide specifics. Nokia, which sold off sharply following its phone announcements, hasn't provided any details about pricing or launch partners.
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  • johnycarrs
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    Its beyond belief how badly the business execution is here. So it won't even be available before the new iphone... Total disaster, they needed this phone about 6 months ago, I think unfortunately now its too later for Nokia. Also doesn't help that the phone looks like a childs toy.
    7 Sep 2012, 09:30 AM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    Couldn't agree more, and I had high hopes for the Nokia phone... But if it's not going to be out before the new iPhone why should I wait?

     

    I love that it has the good camera but to be honest I hardly take any pictures. If the iPhone is even moderately impressive when they release next week I think Nokia lost my sale :( and my confidence.
    7 Sep 2012, 10:17 AM Reply Like
  • ericmeister
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    @johnycarrs & wigit:

     

    Couldn't agree with you more, iPhone looks like (and is) a child's toy.

     

    If you want to have a real business phone, you should stick with Nokia.

     

    Nokia needed this phone 5 years ago, but unfortunately it was not ready, neither was OS, and the same thing was 6 months ago. It's not a business execution

     

    It's good it's not available before iPhone, since people will get disappointed to it anyway and decide to choose a real phone instead
    7 Sep 2012, 10:23 AM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    Eric your humor twist made sense except for the last line, thanks for the ironic laugh!

     

    I think you mean disappointed in the iPhone ha
    7 Sep 2012, 11:23 AM Reply Like
  • lockman
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    Haha! Real men get Real phones!
    7 Sep 2012, 11:53 AM Reply Like
  • techy46
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    @jc First, Nokia can't release before MS ships WP8 on Oct 29. Second, Nokai won't release prices until they see what size rectangle Apple has patented this time. Third, let's just see if the girls over at Apple can come up with a new patented camera and eye to match the Lumia 920's camera and screen then we'll see who's toy is under the Xmas tree. As for software, is Apple on version 6 or 7 of their Unix icons?
    7 Sep 2012, 06:44 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    anyway, I will be awaiting nov 2nd then. In for 1
    7 Sep 2012, 09:37 AM Reply Like
  • jimdart
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    They need it to be out on Verizon. I would have bought the Lumia 900 if I didn't have to go with AT&T.
    7 Sep 2012, 10:07 AM Reply Like
  • Hagge
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    News today says it will be sold also by Verizon
    7 Sep 2012, 01:56 PM Reply Like
  • Hagge
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    But maybe Iphone 5 won´t be on the shelves before 2nd November. Anybody knows?
    7 Sep 2012, 10:06 AM Reply Like
  • alexstarny
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    It is normally that phone will go on sale after OS become available. Regarding comparison of Nokia's Lumia 920 with new IPhone: I believe that 920 is much better phone then IPhone. I am personally waiting Limia 920 availability to get 4 of them for my entire family.
    7 Sep 2012, 10:07 AM Reply Like
  • tsiwen
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    Makes sense to announce it, to get interest; but not sell/ship till W8 is out and your competition(iphone5) comes out first with a price? and availability date. Management is not screwing this up. Nokia doesn't need to give away the best smartphone on the market; just be under Apples iphone5 price, which they will anounce Sept 12? This is a game of chicken!!! Good time to go long NOK, as it is priced as a long term option.
    7 Sep 2012, 02:04 PM Reply Like
  • techy46
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    W8 comes out before WP8 and nobody has the functional details, Skype integration, Office apps, etc., for WP8 other than what was shown on June 20th until it's released.

     

    Microsoft and Nokia are being real coy since it takes Apple a year to change the size of their rectangle and rearrange those Unix icons. I'm presuming MS and NOK want to see iPhone 5 details BEFORE pricing Lumia 920 and saying Lumia 620 and 950 will be announced at CES 2013.
    7 Sep 2012, 06:48 PM Reply Like
  • wwu124
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    I certainly cannot predict how much a success or failure Lumia 920 will be, but do you really expect Nokia to sell Lumia 920 even before MS officially announce its WP 8?
    7 Sep 2012, 10:08 AM Reply Like
  • Hagge
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    News today says it will go on sale a few days after the official launch of WP8
    7 Sep 2012, 01:56 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    ...still seeing zero Nokia advertising on American TV and radio...
    7 Sep 2012, 10:08 AM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    I haven't either DVL but they have an active youtube account for what it's worth.
    7 Sep 2012, 10:18 AM Reply Like
  • shangjeen
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    Microsoft is playing a high-stakes chicken game with Apple.

     

    If iPhone5 is revolutionary, they'll be lost under the Apple hype and maybe never recover.

     

    If, however, the iPhone5 is iPhone4 with a large screen, then going into the crucial Christmas period they'll have Lumia920 + Surface to put a big big dent in Android and iPhone/Pad sales.

     

    Android barely figures into this given that the Motorola phones are disappointing and Google and Samsung already played their hands with SIII and Nexus7 with Jellybean.

     

    It could be a huge positive for Microsoft and Nokia, or it could go horribly wrong.

     

    My take is, iPhone5 = iPhone4 with large screen.
    7 Sep 2012, 10:14 AM Reply Like
  • dakang
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    @ shangheen With all the Apple fanboi 'analysts', journalists, and pumpers predicting SP of $1100 for the Center of their Universe, I would expect that the grapevine would provide some inkling if iPhone 5 offered more than we have seen speculated about. Since it all is a "complete mystery," even to the fanboi journalists and their sources, I must agree with your prediction.
    7 Sep 2012, 11:02 AM Reply Like
  • rjgood
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    I agree. MSFT and NOK needed to get this phone out in September, not November.

     

    In my opinion...the main selling point is that WP 8, Windows 8, Surface Tablet and XBox all will share Microsoft Store purchases (movies and music.) Three of the four will share app purchases, games and applications.

     

    Most consumers have no idea this is possible. They buy an app for their iPhone, they buy the same app for their Windows PC, then buy the same app again for their Android tablet.

     

    With all Windows devices: Buy a movie once, watch it on your Windows phone, tablet, PC or XBox.

     

    Since consumers don't realize this, they will evaluate each device independently...not as a whole ecosystem. And AAPL devices always seem to get the hype and grab the hearts of consumers.
    7 Sep 2012, 11:08 AM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    @shang, I have a different take, I think the WP8/W8 and Lumia launch will do well because there is a huge installed base of Windows users who want a windows device/OS ecosystem just like Apple's base does. And keep in mind NOK investors all this win lose war talk is bogus. In the end all Mr. Market cares about is whether the WP market share is increasing and what slice of it is Nokia, gong from 2% to 4% is success! nobody is going to knock off Android for at least 3-5 years.

     

    @dakang, I don't believe the secrecy veil is any different than the last four successful launches, eh?

     

    @rjgood, I wasn't sure from your comment that you were affirming that with all Apple devices buy an app or movie once and share it with all your devices?! Which is true. And as I mentioned above this is a tremendous strength of th Apple ecosystem and for rheW8 rollout too.

     

    One major difference I would add, however, you don't need ALL Apple devices to enjoy the Apple ecosystem. I'm sure most consumers don't realize this - you can have your PC and eat your Apple too.

     

    iCloud, iTunes, iPhoto, and windows apps Ike Outlook and MS Office all integrate nicely between a PC and iPad or iPhone.
    7 Sep 2012, 11:38 AM Reply Like
  • lockman
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    Please Square, get a WP8 app!
    7 Sep 2012, 11:56 AM Reply Like
  • shangjeen
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    @berylb: I disagree. We're not talking about Nokia but Microsoft, who has sunk an absolutely massive sum of money into Win8/WP8.

     

    They have to succeed or they're in trouble. A 4% marketshare does not equal success but a slow and painful death. Developers are not going to be developing apps for such a small userbase.

     

    They don't need to "knock off" Android but they do need a roughly 10% user base (at a minimum) to stay competitive and provide some ROI on their huge investment.
    7 Sep 2012, 12:29 PM Reply Like
  • sreimer77
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    They're called software applications. Windows has millions of software integrations. Thin client applications were a requirement for mobile devices becsuse of the lack of processing power of a phone compared to a computer. With new phones and smaller chips with more quads, thin client, or full client really won't matter. I'd rather use the CNBC website anyway over an app. The full version of office provides greater functionality then any online word or excel programs.

     

    So Microsoft has millions of applications. Just search computer games on Amazon and 230,199 games are available. So Microsoft ecosystem dwarfs Apple. That is just games available, their are millions of companies providing services for business, hospitals, governments, and consumers running on Windows.
    7 Sep 2012, 02:13 PM Reply Like
  • techy46
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    Agree 100%, that's why Lumia 920 announced first without dates, prices and no details of WP8 yet like the news ROOMS hub for messaging. The new Nokia Music app just released for Lumia 719 and 900 is really nice. 100s of play lists of great music on and off line for FREE. I think we'll still see a Nokia Lumia 1001 7" phablet in the near future.
    7 Sep 2012, 06:49 PM Reply Like
  • Hagge
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    Anyone knows when the Iphone 5 hits the shelves?
    7 Sep 2012, 10:14 AM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    The rumor mill says 2 weeks after they release it next week at their big event show.

     

    But who really knows... after this NOK debacle (imo) who knows.
    7 Sep 2012, 10:19 AM Reply Like
  • css1971
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    Ouch. The numbers are going to be horrifying. Talk about "creating" shareholder value.
    7 Sep 2012, 10:15 AM Reply Like
  • happybottom
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    Go Nokia. I am only taking in the positive. Keep on paying the high prices for the I Phones Give Apple a trillion dollars to bask in
    7 Sep 2012, 10:31 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    It will go on sale 2 weeks after NOK 3Q earnings release? Certainly not a coincidence.

     

    Anyway, they haven't mentioned prices cause they're probably waiting to know how much the new IPhone 4 will cost. Then they'll announce that it's 20% cheaper or something like that.

     

    At the moment, NOK, AAPL and GOOG seem to be involved in a giant chess game. The only difference is, in a free market, there is space for more than one winner.
    7 Sep 2012, 12:01 PM Reply Like
  • lockman
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    I think you mean iphone 5. Certainly room for all to make profit.
    7 Sep 2012, 12:08 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    well they could call it the iPhone 4 GS
    7 Sep 2012, 12:18 PM Reply Like
  • css1971
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    iPhone 4.2 from what I've seen leaked.
    7 Sep 2012, 03:38 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    Icons are so 90's.

     

    A few months ago, I was sceptical about the Windows Phone UI.
    But I have a friend who got a Lumia 600 and he is quite pleased with it. I liked it too.
    I've been a MS hater for the most part of my life, but they got me convinced with this move.

     

    With Android or Symbian, Nokia would be just another fish in the pond. With this new interface, it becomes a real alternative for people who are fed up with the old icon concept.
    It's nice on a big screen, sure... but in small devices it sucks. It feels like a cluttered desktop.
    7 Sep 2012, 05:08 PM Reply Like
  • techy46
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    If the iPhone 5 is just a larger rectangle with 4" Retina and iOS 6 then Nokia just might charge the same price or more for the Lumia 920 since it's really got Pureview camera and Retina+ display. After all, WP8 features with Room hub for messaging, Skype integration, Nokia Drive, Maps, Music and Transport integration and on and offline use are starting to pass iOS 6 generic apps. I'll bet Apple's maps aren't going to match Nokia's.
    7 Sep 2012, 06:51 PM Reply Like
  • techy46
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    @widit5

     

    Well they could just call it iPhone 6 since it runs iOS 6 and skip 5?
    7 Sep 2012, 06:53 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    I don't know about US, Asia & Africa... but in Europe no mapping system beats NavTeq at the moment.
    Yes, I've tried them myself. I loved NDrive GPS the most but those maps suck big time, so I got a Garmin instead.
    7 Sep 2012, 07:05 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    And why is it that there are articles saying Nokia's naming scheme is unoriginal but no one ever complained about the naming scheme of the others?
    Samsung Galaxy, Samsung Galaxy II, Samsung Galaxy III, IPhone, IPhone 2, IPhone 3, IPhone 4, IPhone 5... yeah, much more original. Wow!
    7 Sep 2012, 07:08 PM Reply Like
  • SSGAJ
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    Be waiting for the Verizon release due to my contract terms with Verizon. It is that simple of a decision. Looking to get the best product and wait a bit.

     

    Makes no sense to pull the plug and jump on the iPhone. For several months not to wait to get somehing new and cool is insame.

     

    Do yourself justice and don't byte into the apple. You might not like the worm.
    7 Sep 2012, 02:02 PM Reply Like
  • alphaRAJU
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    This is almost as exciting as the elections! Nokia is targeting China and India and other SE Asian Countries. USA is last on the list. I got my Cyan Lumia 900 and love it. Can't wait for my next child toy.....the Yellow Lumia 920. Maybe I'll get a gray one this time, since I'm almost retirement age.
    7 Sep 2012, 06:18 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    Another detail came out about the 920 it will have not 2 but 3 high amplitude audio capture mics. Perfect to record that rock concert while also recording the low-light video stream in 1080p.
    7 Sep 2012, 06:27 PM Reply Like
  • wcz83
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    Any news on Nokia Zeal & Flame?
    Two mid-range models..
    7 Sep 2012, 11:58 PM Reply Like
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