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While long-term damage from the BP spill is "unknowable" only three months after the blowout, it...

While long-term damage from the BP spill is "unknowable" only three months after the blowout, it looks increasingly like the "greater environmental catastrophe in U.S. history" talk was exaggerated. Or is it a government cover-up?
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  • Papaswamp
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    Well considering the Secty of Energy received a $500 Million grant from BP and the Asst. Secty for Science was BP's chief scientist, I will have to go with it was all exaggerated and all is well. The sunken oil with magically vanish and rainbows and dolphins will dance happily on the horizon.
    30 Jul 2010, 06:00 PM Reply Like
  • Poor Texan
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    Oh no. We're losing the crisis before we've had a chance to exploit it to its fullest. Why is nature so resilient? This could have been a great lead up to a bunch of scary movies. Hollywood could have made a mint. Michael Moore missed another great opportunity. :-)
    30 Jul 2010, 06:04 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Since oil can just disappear like that why do we ever bother cleaning it up or worrying about it, clearly environment is more resilient than we thought and we should just dump crap with wild abandon into the sea, nature will clean it up for us.
    31 Jul 2010, 08:06 AM Reply Like
  • kirkussent
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    The oil just didn't dissapear. It is out there somewhere sitting on the sidelines.
    30 Jul 2010, 06:23 PM Reply Like
  • Tack
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    Those who wish to impose their freedom-robbing, extremist ecological agendas on others routinely resort to fearmongering and hysterical excess, then, are so bitterly disgruntled when science or Mother Nature refuse to cooperate with their schemes.
    30 Jul 2010, 06:25 PM Reply Like
  • rooftop
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    Tell you what - go catch a fish in that water, cook it, eat it, and then get back to me.
    30 Jul 2010, 07:47 PM Reply Like
  • Tack
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    rooftop:

     

    I live on the Gulf of Mexico. It washes up to my back door.

     

    Do you have any idea how big that body of water is and how fast that oil will dissipate in the tropical sun and water temperatures in the upper 80's?

     

    That oil will disintegrate faster than a plastic lawn chair, and they practically dissolve while you look at them, down here in the tropical sun.

     

    Worry about Lake Michigan, where they're conjuring up the next big scare.
    30 Jul 2010, 07:53 PM Reply Like
  • Ken Solonika
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    About 1 in 7 shares is held by UK pension funds. That's why Cameron ran over to the US to talk to Obama. The US govt. won't litigate or fine BP out of existence. The US Senate, where 60 votes are needed for a senator to scratch his ass, isn't up to the task.
    30 Jul 2010, 08:12 PM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    What is your background Tack? Are you truly qualified to make your statements and know what you are talking about or do you just have a strong feeling. By the way unless you live in extreme South Florida you do not live in the tropics. Your qualifications please!
    30 Jul 2010, 08:28 PM Reply Like
  • rooftop
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    Tack wrote: "Do you have any idea how big that body of water is and how fast that oil will dissipate in the tropical sun and water temperatures in the upper 80's?"

     

    Upper 80's? At the surface sure. But the energy of the sun is absorbed at the surface so you go a few hundred meters down and it's freezing. Just because BP understated the underwater plumes (as they did the size of the leak from day 1) doesn't mean they aren't there.

     

    The impact of the dispersants is another question altogether. So again, how willing would you be to go to your back door, cast a line and catch your dinner?
    30 Jul 2010, 09:13 PM Reply Like
  • Papaswamp
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    so it magically evaporates into nothing?...CDC has actually issued a warning about it..
    emergency.cdc.gov/gulf...

     

    what about that oil that didn't make it to the surface due to pressure, ice crystals etc? rolling across the bottom....I'm sure it has no impact either.

     

    Average life expectancy of those cleaning up the Exxon Valdez oil spill......51.
    www.businessinsider.co...

     

    hey green shoots right?...all is well?
    the long term effects will show up eventually.
    30 Jul 2010, 10:27 PM Reply Like
  • If U Say So
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    Since the government has essentially banned the press from doing onsite reporting, red flags come up in my view. Could it be the case of appearing to be anti-BP for political purposes but really only in cahoots with them? There is supposedly a $4300 per barrel fine written into US law for each barrel spilled. If we do the math= no BP.
    30 Jul 2010, 06:45 PM Reply Like
  • Ken Solonika
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    4300 assumes gross negligence.

     

    Still less than 20B total even if GN can be proven, which will be quite hard if not impossible.

     

    Around 1200 per barrel is the far more likely fine amount, with the real fight over exactly how many barrels were spilled.
    30 Jul 2010, 08:43 PM Reply Like
  • davidbdc
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    Well lets hope that the oil is dispersing rapidly. I do know that the Gulf is warmer than Alaska and I've read that between evaporation and the microbes that eat oil we could expect a quicker bounce-back from nature than what happened with the Valdez. But I've also read that the underwater eco-system will require a few years to fully bounce back.

     

    The truth is that we probably don't know how quickly everything will turn around. We still have a lot of shoreline to clean up, and a lot of work to do in the marshland that got oil to the shores. If it turns out no more oil is going to be coming ashore I say great, and lets do the hard work to clean up what is already been tarnished. I don't see that it matters a great deal whether or not this has been as catastrophic as some have said - its bad and needs to be fixed.
    30 Jul 2010, 06:45 PM Reply Like
  • The Geoffster
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    The Gulf is BP- Beyond Petroleum
    30 Jul 2010, 07:02 PM Reply Like
  • Jackson999
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    The remaining oil is all underwater.

     

    Out of sight = out of mind....
    30 Jul 2010, 07:42 PM Reply Like
  • grunlowen
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    I have watched a TON of news on the spill over the last few months, and all along the professor-types have said that the oil will dissipate in a matter of months. A few tar ball will stick around, but there won't be that many of them because of the dispersants. The real issue it the unknowns to the ecosystem, but they are just that - unknowns. And the professor-types would also point out that 'hydrocarbons' naturally seep into the Gulf year round, just not in such a concentrated manner.

     

    Nature will recover quickly. That wasn't a great story a few weeks back, but it will be in the months ahead. Who knows how much it will help BP though.
    30 Jul 2010, 07:58 PM Reply Like
  • Papaswamp
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    Amazingly Alaska's Prince William sound hasn't....Dungeonous crab population collapsed and never recovered...guess where they live...on the bottom. Every marine biologist i have talked to says the benthic habitat will be decimated.
    31 Jul 2010, 07:43 AM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    The Dungeness crab population was collapsing well before the spill. Areas like Orca Inlet were closed due to low populations as early as 1980. The Valdez spill didn't occur until 1989. These claims from environmental wackos occur all the time. Similar claims are often made about fish populations and what they don't tell you is these declines either proceeded the spill or are seen in other areas of Southeast Alaska far from Prince William Sound.
    2 Aug 2010, 02:24 AM Reply Like
  • Papaswamp
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    I guess that makes overfishing and pollution a-ok then....
    2 Aug 2010, 08:16 AM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    What it means is your attempt to blame the effects of overfishing on an oil spill is an attempt to mislead. And you're still being misleading here, as the cause is not known to be overfishing. If you were actually talking to marine biologists they'd be able to help you out here, such as getting the spelling of Dungeness correct.
    2 Aug 2010, 11:28 AM Reply Like
  • BetTheHouse
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    This is the internet at its best. Rampant speculation by entirely unqualified people -- myself included -- about a highly complicated scientific matter. The author should have stopped writing after he said it is not yet knowable. As for the conspiracy theories, I'm no Obama fan, but you geniuses who think they made this appear worse on purpose, you are nuts. The biggest personal hit Obama has taken since being elected is how ineffectual he has been in repsonding to the spill. It has literally decimated his already weak poll numbers. Why the hell would he be purposely overblowing the crisis? Put away the tin foil hats. He's no more capable of some big well engineered conspiracy than he is of doing anything else particularly well. It is as it appears.
    30 Jul 2010, 08:50 PM Reply Like
  • James Quinn
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    The ruling elite say it is OK to eat the fish. Trust them. They are always right.

     

    theburningplatform.com.../
    30 Jul 2010, 09:04 PM Reply Like
  • MoneyGrowOnTrees
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    It is a combination of over-exaggeration, luck, government bs such as microbes eating oil, oil evaporating that has helped BP avoid bankruptcy.
    30 Jul 2010, 11:35 PM Reply Like
  • TFF
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    Go listen to the toxicologist on TED.com and get back to us.
    31 Jul 2010, 03:28 PM Reply Like
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