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Giant iPhone 5 lines have Gene Munster giddy with excitement: the Piper analyst estimates lines...

Giant iPhone 5 lines have Gene Munster giddy with excitement: the Piper analyst estimates lines at Boston, New York, and Minneapolis Apple Stores were 83% larger than they were for the 4S (ed: is he sure it's not 84%?), and predicts Apple (AAPL +0.8%) will sell 8M iPhone 5 units through Sunday. Topeka's Brian White predicts "only" 6M-6.5M launch weekend sales, though that's well above the 4M posted last year by the 4S. (FQ4 estimates) (pre-orders) (wait times)
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  • Gloube
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    Where do all these people find the money to buy a new smartphone every year?? I thought we were in a recession
    21 Sep 2012, 11:26 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Being poor in this country often means you still have a car, a cell phone, a flatscreen TV, and a house with a larger sq footage than many poor in Africa, europe or Asia
    21 Sep 2012, 11:53 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    The recession has hit the bottom two quintiles the most. The top quintile is doing just fine.

     

    When corporate profits are at a 60 year high, you know "the economy" can't be doing that bad. For a lot of people it sucks but the unemployed aren't "the economy"

     

    Forget the campaign ads go through these. http://read.bi/TX57xO

     

    I've made more money in the equities market in the last 3 1/2 years than I have at any other 4 years in my life. $$$s and %. I'd like to pat myself on the back for being uniquely brilliant but those charts tell me I've had a lot of help.
    21 Sep 2012, 12:56 PM Reply Like
  • dividend_growth
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    Actually it's very simple:

     

    - cut back on driving and delay buying new cars, millenials find bycycles cooler than cars, unlike the boomers

     

    - cut back on vacations because people spend all day fondling their smartphones anyway, whether it's at home, on the beach, or in the hotel

     

    - cut back on PCs and other immobile computing/entertainment devices

     

    - own AAPL

     

    - invested in rental properties during the dark times

     

    - anyone who held through onto stocks or followed the President's call to buy stocks on Feb 27 2009
    21 Sep 2012, 09:01 PM Reply Like
  • Cornholio421
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    Since more people are on food stamps, they can use the money they typically use for food to buy things like the latest iPhones, or $200 Nikes.
    24 Sep 2012, 09:22 AM Reply Like
  • $CLU
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    Yeah, that's pretty good for the stock.
    But I'd feel better if there was some trampling or maybe a riot or two. Then we'd really have a winner on our hands!
    [Sarcasm mode OFF]
    21 Sep 2012, 11:28 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    I love the new Samsung commercial. Hilarious. People standing in line look pretty crazy.
    21 Sep 2012, 11:31 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Samsung ranks third in customer satisfaction. Now that is hilarious.
    21 Sep 2012, 01:02 PM Reply Like
  • Micah
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    The Ph.D accounting professor I have in my MBA courses said to always quote off numbers, such as 83%. It gives people the impression that you actually counted.
    21 Sep 2012, 11:32 AM Reply Like
  • surfnspy
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    Simple yet effective. I like it.
    21 Sep 2012, 12:19 PM Reply Like
  • lockman
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    Baaaaa!
    21 Sep 2012, 11:45 AM Reply Like
  • SoldHigh
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    Rumors that a group of folks had downloaded new iOS on their iPhone4S and the new Apple map took them to an empty building when they asked for directions to the Apple store.

     

    Those who used Google maps found the store without issue.
    21 Sep 2012, 12:36 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Rumor has it you don't have the cajones to short AAPL
    21 Sep 2012, 01:04 PM Reply Like
  • pollyserial
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    I considered it so thoroughly today but just couldn't bring myself to do it. Shorted it's proxy, the sp500, instead.
    21 Sep 2012, 05:47 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    The market is due for a 10% correction [about every two years] so you might win. On the other hand it could go up another 10% before it corrects 10%.

     

    Peter Lynch admitted he could never predict when a market would correct, you could be smarter.
    22 Sep 2012, 08:25 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Just having a little fun with you Android Fanboys.

     

    I know, but you have an NFC chip ... now, if you could find a place to use it, that would be awesome.

     

    iPads account for 91% of the web traffic in tablets. When will you Android fanboys learn how to get on the internet?
    21 Sep 2012, 01:07 PM Reply Like
  • Canadian Red Neck
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    Hi, gensearch2,

     

    Just having fun too. I am just wondering why iPad owners surf so much on the internet? Are they wasting time? If they are doing all these surfing on company's time, company owners better be concerned.

     

    I surf now and then on my Galaxy Nexus and Blackberry Playbook and do my serious surfing on my laptop, typically in the evening.
    21 Sep 2012, 01:26 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    My main use of my iPad is news. I find it a far more efficient way to read news than the old way. I read more news that I'm interested and don't see all the BS news that I never wanted to even see the headlines for. For example, Lindsay Lohan.

     

    I thought the primary use of PCs at work was viewing porn?

     

    I don't know if you've seen it, but CNN frequently pushes it's viewers to watch CNN from work.

     

    I also do a lot of video streaming on my iPad. The iTunes Live Festival is great.

     

    But back to the point. Non iOS tablet users aren't on the internet. What are they doing with their tablets? Using them as paper weights.

     

    P.S. I'm retired now, so work conflicts aren't an issue.
    22 Sep 2012, 08:34 AM Reply Like
  • Canadian Red Neck
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    I use my Playbook as player for music and video (especially when I travel), e-reader, news and magazine from the net and subscription. I surf with it mostly when I am watching TV, sort of multi-tasking during commercials.

     

    I think your usage and mine are not that much different. I am almost there for retirement. Just working on contract now.
    22 Sep 2012, 10:24 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    I surf and hit my e-mail while I'm watching TV.

     

    But we're anecdotal. It's not going to be the case that all non-iOS tablet users are like us. IMO, the beauty of a tablet is that they are very personalized computing devices. Much more so than a desktop. Which I think is due to all the free/inexpensive apps compared to a desktop.

     

    I would contend that the data in internet usage between iOS and Android as well as the domination of Apple in customer satisfaction ratings strongly suggests that overall Apple provides a more user friendly environment.

     

    Google and the Nexus puzzles me. Google has a business model based on ad revenue. Hence, they believe that ads are important, but they don't advertise the Nexus. Puzzling.
    23 Sep 2012, 08:22 AM Reply Like
  • rrose39
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    "...Android Fanboys."

     

    They're known as "Fandroids".
    24 Sep 2012, 11:24 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Thanks.
    25 Sep 2012, 09:58 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    This is really hilarious ....

     

    http://bit.ly/Scaj0L

     

    I like the part towards the end .."It's just a cheap plastic case" ... and they weren't talking about the i5 .............. ROTFLOL .... cheap plastic case
    21 Sep 2012, 02:02 PM Reply Like
  • rrose39
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    that was great. from the "Android Authority" no less. hahahahaha.
    24 Sep 2012, 11:33 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Yeah since I treat my phone like a 2 year old child would treat it, that's the most important feature I look for LOL....

     

    At least I have a GPS that give me vocal turn-by-turn directions and won't make me drive into a wall.

     

    Then again, Apple does make the "coolest adapters"
    24 Sep 2012, 11:36 AM Reply Like
  • mjbadagliacco
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    Willing to bet they hit 10 MM by the end of the qtr...
    21 Sep 2012, 02:05 PM Reply Like
  • Primarch
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    An awful lot of Apple hate here. I'm happy to see the recession is clearly not hitting EVERYONE very hard.
    21 Sep 2012, 02:07 PM Reply Like
  • lockman
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    The main thing I "hate" about iphone is iphone. But we're not supposed to talk about it...

     

    Get a phone that can make calls in the hills and valleys, in the cities and the country, get a ____, anything but an iphone because I have had 2 generations and they both sucked in reception and other "phone" duties like bluetooth and batteries.
    How do you call a smart phone smart when you can't make or receive a call in many area's that you can other phones??? DOH!
    21 Sep 2012, 03:56 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Those are geographic issues. I would much prefer to use Verizon, because of it's larger coverage area ... except where I live, it's worthless. Their map says I have coverage, but when I've had Verizon people here doing maintenance, they can't get a connection regardless of what phone their using.

     

    You have specific geographic issue with iPhones. Sorry about that. But what % of potential users is that an issue for?

     

    You get another smart phone and move on. How does your personal situation affect the profitability of Apple as an investment?
    22 Sep 2012, 08:43 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Nexus uses Android which has a lot of side benefits to them (Google Play, search etc)
    23 Sep 2012, 08:57 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    I can't imagine how you could say "Google Play" is a benefit. I found my brief experience with Google Play to be painful compared to the app store.

     

    You shouldn't bother with trying to convince iOS users that Android is better. What you should work on is convincing Android users not to bail out on Android.

     

    http://on.mash.to/RbPvph
    24 Sep 2012, 08:35 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Yeah Droid people are really bailing on the IPhone. In other news, Apple sold millions less than forecast and is now down 2.3% premarket LOL

     

    If you want to make an argument about droid vs apple and talk about losing marketshare, consider the possibility that people are perhaps waiting for NOK/Win 8
    24 Sep 2012, 09:17 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Let's see ... I look at the chart and see 9% of iOS users going to Android and 22% of Android users going to iOS.

     

    Yup.

     

    I thought you could understand a chart, but maybe the pretty colors distracted you.

     

    I would care if it was down in pre-market, if I was trading AAPL but I'm not.

     

    How many times has Apple dipped YTD? Why would this dip be any different?
    25 Sep 2012, 10:03 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    And a survey of 600 people really is the end all be all for what will happen this coming season.
    25 Sep 2012, 10:09 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Where's your data that says iOS users are running to Android?
    25 Sep 2012, 10:14 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    They probably will be after this LOL:

     

    Tuesday, September 25, 9:41 AM Google's (GOOG) Eric Schmidt says his company hasn't made any move to provide a Google Maps app for the App Store, in spite of the backlash to Apple's (AAPL) iOS 6 Maps. Schmidt hints, but doesn't overtly state, that Apple hasn't signaled it will approve a Google Maps app. He also refuses to guarantee Google will remain the default search option for iOS - that arrangement has produced huge revenue-sharing payments for Apple, and cemented Google's mobile search dominance.
    25 Sep 2012, 10:17 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    Why would anyone leave iOS for Android if iOS is the best? That sticks out more at me than anything.
    25 Sep 2012, 10:40 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    Note to self: "iOS is the best" is just an opinion.
    25 Sep 2012, 11:11 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    The "best" is very subjective. I have friends who are considering switching to Android over this. Remember, google maps, along with youtube are in the top 3 most download apps for iOS.

     

    Google is not planning on releasing an app for the new iOS and anyone who upgraded is now stuck with a poorer replacement. Apple has essentially handed Google a flaw it can now exploit.
    25 Sep 2012, 11:16 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Nice to see you admit Android is losing. ROTFLMAO.

     

    Google is in an interesting position, as Google makes 4 times the ad revenue from iOS as it does Android.
    25 Sep 2012, 03:12 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    I've tried turn by turn on iOS several times and it's worked flawlessly every time. And I have turn by turn which I didn't have with google.

     

    Google doesn't need to make an app if iOS users want to look at street view. They use a browser.
    25 Sep 2012, 03:15 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    The only loser lately has been AAPL. Have you seen the performance of it vs GOOG the last 6 months?
    25 Sep 2012, 05:31 PM Reply Like
  • bailinnumberguy
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    OK, I have my phone and it's going to have completely insane sales. Just an incredibly light, sleek phone. I'm projecting that Apple could have $20 eps in the Christmas quarter and the share price will be on a collision course w/ $1000 over the next 6 months. Amazing.
    21 Sep 2012, 02:12 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Apple sold a bit over 5 million over the first weekend. As some pundit claimed that Apple had to sell at least 6 million, 5 is a disappointment. Apple hammered in pre-market.
    24 Sep 2012, 08:41 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    Hammered? 2.5% down? That's not hammered at at all.
    This is what being hammered looks like: PPHM, QCOR
    24 Sep 2012, 08:49 AM Reply Like
  • Whitehawk
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    Equivalent to overpaying for options in a panic.
    21 Sep 2012, 04:42 PM Reply Like
  • Moon Kil Woong
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    I hope the battery life and antenna are a lot better than last time. I think such things as being able to use the phone trumps all the things they are hyping. 4S failed in reception and in battery life, yet they still came and bought rather than waiting.
    21 Sep 2012, 05:32 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    The AT&T rep in the store has a Lumia 900, he said his phone was great other than the battery rarely lasted one day.

     

    You could get a Lumia.
    22 Sep 2012, 08:45 AM Reply Like
  • lockman
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    I second you Moon. Also bluetooth that works with all the latest headsets and doesn't give you static when on the other side of your body.
    24 Sep 2012, 06:52 PM Reply Like
  • lockman
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    My iphones never made it through the day with charging.
    24 Sep 2012, 06:53 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    the only time my iphone never made it through the day was when I was using GPS for 5 hours straight. Then it finished mid-afternoon. 95%+ of the time I get a day and a half.
    25 Sep 2012, 03:17 PM Reply Like
  • lockman
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    Which model do you have?
    How many hours do you talk on the phone? Both my iphone 3GS and 4 model didn't make it through a day, dropped calls regularly, had poor bluetooth connection with headsets.
    The same areas I go through now that dropped calls have no effect on the conversation with ether my Galaxy S2 and S3. I can see the bars go down, but, the reception and transmisson are unaffected.
    I can take a walk in Redwood Park and I get reception in areas that don't even have line of sight to any towers. I actually have to turn the phone off if I want not to be bothered where with both my iphones, they were out of signal half way up Joquin Miller to Skyline.
    25 Sep 2012, 10:57 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    The retail price on the i5 and other similar phones is $700. With a contract you get it for less which means the phone companies bury it in their fees.

     

    People are insane to buy any phone for $700. It costs more than a PC or an iPad. Families have a $1000 mortgage and $200 phone bill each month which is 20% of the amount they put into their home which is a permanent structure!

     

    This cannot keep up. The priorities are all wrong and people are getting raped and not recognizing it. It is distasteful and this price scheme hits the poorest the hardest.
    21 Sep 2012, 06:26 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    When you die, you can't take it with you?

     

    There's not a darn thing I can do about poor people playing the lotto in a desperate hope to hit the big one. I can't do anything about the poor burning up the their income on cigarettes.

     

    I've seen people who get government support, who have cable, cell phones, etc. ... which is annoying by itself, but then these very same people complain about other people on welfare.

     

    I've got a dozen or so charities that I give to every year. One of them is Charity Water. Look 'em up.

     

    Care to see where the highest concentration of households that aren't paying Federal Income Tax?

     

    http://bit.ly/Oi7PyK

     

    You know what happens if marginal rates were reduced by 20%? The number of households not paying federal income taxes goes up.

     

    We all know that Apple's margins are in the 40% region. The head of AT&T wireless just the other day said their margins are in the 40% region.

     

    You say priorities are all wrong. Maybe I agree with you. But there's not a damn thing you or me can do about it.

     

    The only thing I can see that will change priorities in our culture would be either a real global depression or some meteor wiping out a 100 million or so Americans.
    22 Sep 2012, 08:58 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    "People are insane to buy any phone for $700."

     

    True... but Nokia is very close to convince me.

     

    Why? Because a Lumia would replace not only my old phone but my digital camera, MP3 player & GPS device as well. This means next summer I might be travelling with a single device instead of 4. Besides that, I won't need to go to internet cafés again, while on vacation.

     

    When you put all this together, the price suddenly doesn't seem that high. It's still expensive, though...

     

    The only problem I see: how long will the battery last & how will I charge it while travelling?
    22 Sep 2012, 11:12 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    TVP said: "People are insane to buy any phone for $700."

     

    Just fyi, when smartphones weren't popular and WindowsPhone Blackberry and Symbian were your only choices, smartphones still typically cost $700 or more off contract.

     

    I remember buying a E-Ten for $800 (I never buy on contract phones), and Blackberries at similar prices. Popularity didn't change smartphone prices, and likely won't do so in the future either.

     

    Although you can get a sub-$300 Android product these days, but it's utter crap.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:08 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    kmi

     

    Your point underlines another point in that technology should be going down in price while providing more functionality if the market is behaving normally.

     

    What is going on is that the market is obscuring the true cost through contracts so people don't pause before signing up for long commitments that eventually extract that amount out of their wallets.

     

    This is very similar to credit card companies burying fees in the small print so you really don't appreciate what you will pay for the use of the credit card. So people brag about their Gold card or whatever and really dont appreciate that they are paying significant money that they might need for other things.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:22 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    TVP

     

    " that technology should be going down in price while providing more functionality"

     

    It is though. Today's products have vastly more integrated technology, and the technology is far superior. For example, bluetooth and capacitative touchscreens didn't exist back then. Also, it wasn't common to get GPS -and- WiFi, usually just one or the other. For another, it was just 2G radio back then, 3G was just coming out and the applications to take advantage of 3g, or the processors to avail themselves of those apps, didn't exist.

     

    Today's phones have cameras, bluetooth, gps, touchscreens, 2G, 3G, 4G, wifi..... Progress hardware wise has been exponential.

     

    I don't disagree that most people flat out don't need super powerful devices, but market dynamics (i.e. contract based pricing) support continued growth in the consumption of these products.

     

    Tomorrw's phones will be even more powerful, will kill off your need for a desktop entirely, and may may include so many various sensors it will remind you of Star Trek's tricorders.

     

    And likely still be priced at the same $$.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:30 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    kmi

     

    Technology typically goes down in absolute dollars also. So the $700 price tag should be much less. PC's show this dynamic.
    24 Sep 2012, 03:59 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    It's not likely that I'm going to start using my smartphone for restoring 100 year old photos; which I do on a periodic basis.
    25 Sep 2012, 03:20 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    You better get a Lumia while Nokia is still in business.
    25 Sep 2012, 03:27 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    gensearch2, at the moment, the Lumia line is just starting to get traction... sales are still scarce compared to other brands but the trend is going up and consumers are enjoying Windows Phone 7.5.

     

    Besides that, Nokia wins $10.6 for each iPhone & iPad sold... which means they are currently getting more profit from Apple's euphoria than from the entire Lumia range, believe or not.

     

    If you add to this the recent NavTeq deals with Ford and Amazon, I guess it's safe to say Nokia will be around for quite some time...
    25 Sep 2012, 03:55 PM Reply Like
  • anonymous#12
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    But....but...I thought conservatives were for a free market....

     

    Did those iPhone buyers were forced by the government? Nope.

     

    Do the government subsidizes the buying? Nope.

     

    Do people willingly spend their money on those phones because they want? Yes.

     

    Pharmaceuticals ripping off taxpayers and sick people is more disgusting than this....and I don't see conservatives crying about that....

     

    How ironic....
    21 Sep 2012, 07:04 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    This has signs of a bubble and a market pricing mechanism that is not working as it is obscured. People are not buying on a rationale though process. Since almost all are paid for by a telco contract that buries the cost people are not taking a look at the real cost. So the market is not showing them the price. They should be getting telco contracts at sub $100 and then buying the phone at $700 if it is really worth it once they see the stand alone pricing.
    21 Sep 2012, 07:49 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Friend of mine plans to upgrade from a 3GS. I pointed out how Apple is actually trailing the competition in many ways, and described them all.

     

    He told me he doesn't care all that much because it is indeed the best looking phone on the market, which I can't disagree with.

     

    I pointed out that Apple rose to prominence because it had the best function and that SteveJobs preferenced function over form and that he and his fellow purchasers are suggesting that the relationship has flipped.
    21 Sep 2012, 07:27 PM Reply Like
  • jammerculture
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    I have a similar story, a co-worker is bragging that he is 365th in line for his iphone. I question the logic of waiting in line for a phone when there is really no way to realistically gauge the current phone market, as only one of the years phones have yet to be released, and the competition looks like it could be the best ever, especially when considering the addition of a third ecosystem with W8.

     

    He says "I don't really need to have the best phone, the latest new thing"

     

    Then why are you waiting in line for a phone?
    21 Sep 2012, 07:56 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Did you also point out to him that the iphone has received the top award for customer satisfaction 8 years in a row?

     

    Anecdotal. A friend picked himself up a Droid a few months ago. It already had LTE, had a bigger screen and was cheaper than the iPhone. What does he do with it after two months? He makes phone calls. I had to find the Play Store for him. What value does a feature list comparison have for him? What value does he have to Verizon? He's paying for a data contract he never uses.

     

    What is it about smartphones that drive people crazy about what someone else is using? I don't care whether you're using a Droid, Galaxy s2, S3 or an HTC phone. Why should I?

     

    When I was in a store looking for a case cover the salesman pointed out a particular case that had an opening so the Apple logo would be revealed. I must have looked at the salesman like he was crazy. I don't care whether anyone knows I'm using an iPhone.

     

    Do people do this with cars? Or toaster ovens?

     

    There are 50 million viewers of Professional Wrestling. Someone should seek them out and tell them what idiots they are.
    23 Sep 2012, 08:37 AM Reply Like
  • lockman
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    So true for many iphone users as well. It is easier to find the basic stuff, but a lot of my friends that are adopters don't use the smart aspect of the phone ether. I think part of the attraction is we hope the these devices will enhance our life experience when in fact they maybe doing the opposite as far as the "world" is concerned.
    How many people look outside now instead of inside for satisfaction?
    Now we can be connected 24/7 via text, skype, email.
    As a tool, I see it's purpose. Otherwise, I see overtones of the matrix... I just hope there is a purpose for the next generation to be so obsessed in it.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:08 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    People see what they want to see!

     

    "It's not THAT bad. Apple Maps is buggy, should have been released in much better shape, and isn't as good as Google Maps, but as someone who uses his iPhone's maps app every day, it's fine." - Sam Biddle

     

    "Saying it is not that bad is ridiculous. Apple decided to care more about a corporate fight with Google then to care about how the actual consumer uses their phone. I for one will not be buying the next iPhone because I can't stand by a company who doesn't care about their consumer anymore and cripples their user experience so much. Maybe you don't use maps, or are just incredible with directions and know where everything is, but I for one would be ashamed to say anything good about this map update and can't believe you are saying it is fine. Here's a picture of Bowling Green's campus....you're right its not THAT bad, it is really really really bad." - Reber

     

    http://bit.ly/RHvJED
    21 Sep 2012, 11:12 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    How do I get turn by turn directions in Google maps on an iOS device?

     

    That wasn't Apple's decision. Google wouldn't allow it. Why? Because Google cared more about their interests than those of Google map users on iOS devices.

     

    The only other choice Apple had was to not ever have iOS users get turn by turn. Is that the choice you wanted Apple to make?
    22 Sep 2012, 09:08 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Agreed. I'm not surprised that Google elected to put the fully functional GPS on android and give the watered-down version to iOS. That still doesn't change how much of a doozie this map app release was/is.

     

    I truly believe Steve Jobs wouldn't have let it get past the initial stage.... for a company like apple to release a product that wouldn't even pass muster in beta-testing tells you something about how things have changed post-jobs. People buy apple products and pay that premium because supposedly "It Just works", right?
    22 Sep 2012, 09:21 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
    , contributor
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    "I'm not surprised that Google elected to put the fully functional GPS on android and give the watered-down version to iOS."

     

    That's what you gain for opening war on Google. Apple is simply reaping what they sow.

     

    "People buy apple products and pay that premium because supposedly "It Just works", right?"

     

    It used to be but not any more. People buy Apple because they want to be cool. That's all that matters now.
    22 Sep 2012, 11:19 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    You don't get turn-by-turn on Blackberry's version of Google maps either actually.

     

    But Blackberry provides that through it's "Blackberry Traffic" app.

     

    Google elected to provide turn by turn only to Android even though the app is or has been available to virtually every mobile OS.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:14 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
    , contributor
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    Apple is picking up a good number of Android traitors.

     

    http://on.mash.to/RbPvph
    24 Sep 2012, 08:48 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
    , contributor
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    What is it about you folks that can't grasp the concept of IP and Property Rights? It's all around you and has been for 100s of years, yet you can't even see it.
    24 Sep 2012, 08:49 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Riiiiight, that's why their stock is dropping today.
    24 Sep 2012, 09:17 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
    , contributor
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    In that case, maybe micrsoft should go sue Apple over the IPad since Bill gates showed off tablets 10 years ago LOL.
    24 Sep 2012, 09:18 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
    , contributor
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    Apple and Microsoft respect each other's IP, which is why you don't see them suing each other.

     

    But you might look into who Microsoft it suing. ;o)
    25 Sep 2012, 03:23 PM Reply Like
  • lockman
    , contributor
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    And Android is doing the same. Just like the many people I know who have jumped ship including me.
    Most, like me, didn't invest in Apples ecosystem and have to justify staying in the Apple camp. Not knocking Aapl stock ether.
    We just wanted phones that work.
    Don't get me wrong, I use my Mac Pro everyday and love it (except for a few glitches). I expect with an SSD upgrade, I should by good for another couple of years. I hope for you iphone converts and readopters, that they corrected the phone related faults in this model from previous models.
    Hello, hello?
    25 Sep 2012, 11:11 PM Reply Like
  • lockman
    , contributor
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    "People buy apple products and pay that premium because supposedly "It Just works", right?"

     

    The isheeple will believe anything that seems status quo to them.
    I know, I used to be one.
    Apples record is not all that pristine in the it just works category.
    Better than windows, but, that isn't saying very much.
    Apple has made most of it's profits on a phone, a phone that doesn't work as a phone very well. Am I the only one that sees the irony in this?

     

    To make matter more interesting as far as customer satisfaction, in the last 4 Apple purchases I have had far less customer satisfaction than I did previously with Dell.
    I received a buggy $2800 MacPro tower, 2 stupid phones (as far as the phone related side goes) and a defective $3600 MacBook pro. The computers took days to get rectified. The phones were a year each of ongoing headaches and denial. The laptop was a recent experience and the worst as far as getting what I needed regarding customer service. The geniuses were idiots! I think it is great we are all making money on AAPL but, lets call a spade a spade. Apple is at the size where they are going to do some things the way they want to regardless of how it effects us users, for our own good... So far, I don't see that as true. The QC has gone down, the customer phone service is clueless at times, the "geniuses" can be arrogant and unable to serve beyond basic hardware issues. The rot began years ago and will spread to the surface unless they address these issues.

     

    I have spent over $50,000 on my Apple gear over the years (since my Apple II) and that is for mostly for my use. I even tried to run my business with Mac before it was fashionable to do so and was forced into the PC side by my accountant. To those who believed as I did that boot camp is the panacea to running both IOS and windows, it is not. On my MacBook pro with Lion, I cannot run anything less than W7 and that doesn't work for my cherished version of Quickbooks and the Apple drivers don't work as flawlessly for other stuff as I had hoped, so, I had to get another PC laptop for the field anyways.
    However, I still use my MacPro for most internet and mail.
    That said, I am going to sell my Macbook Pro and never be an early adopter of any Apple (or PC) product again.
    I just hope that IOS doesn't start getting hacked like windows did and opens up a whole new perception regarding Apples infallibility (since I have already had a hard drive erased remotely on my G5).
    I also hope that the reception and bluetooth in the ip5 is far superior to previous models. Like it is in my S2-S3 or better.

     

    Considering how much money Apple has made on iphones, I would think they would owe it to the consumer to have hired Nokia to help design their next phone...

     

    They know better and should be trusted. Like the goverment, medical, military, corporations, our parents. Baaaa!
    Sorry for the rant, been 6 days on a cleansing fast and, well, anyways.
    Peas.
    23 Sep 2012, 11:49 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
    , contributor
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    LOL..........great point on the iPhone. The phone service sucked and especially with AT&T. That seems to be fundamental to the value proposition but that's just me.

     

    I have owned an Apple laptop in the past and ran into a lot of problems with lack of 3rd party applications to run a business. And when there is a problem the system is so closed that it is a black box to fix anything. Really painful.

     

    Apple will get their share of bugs especially if they open it up for 3rd party applications. And more viruses will be made for Apple by scoundrels around the world.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:31 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
    , contributor
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    Re: "Apple will get their share of bugs especially if they open it up for 3rd party applications."

     

    Really. That's very interesting. You're very on top of things.
    25 Sep 2012, 03:44 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
    , contributor
    Comments (4845) | Send Message
     
    gen

     

    Worked in IT over 25 years. Nobody is bullet proof.

     

    Pull your head out of the dark orifice where you keep it.
    25 Sep 2012, 06:35 PM Reply Like
  • Gloube
    , contributor
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    If Apple Maps doesn't work... then who was phone??
    24 Sep 2012, 09:20 AM Reply Like
  • tkocis@ieee.org
    , contributor
    Comments (23) | Send Message
     
    Seems like a shoddy article designed to attraction attention rather than reporting accurate news or analysis. I guess it worked. Apple sold out in record numbers. My own check of one of the stores revealed 1. Longer lines at opening. 2. They were able to meet the increased demand through the weekend. They ran out of most models by the end of Sunday. This product is a smashing success for Apple.
    24 Sep 2012, 09:55 AM Reply Like
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