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Apple (AAPL) wants Judge Koh to award another $707M in damages from Samsung (SSNLF.PK) on top of...

Apple (AAPL) wants Judge Koh to award another $707M in damages from Samsung (SSNLF.PK) on top of the $1.05B a San Jose jury awarded the company last month, as well as a permanent ban on 26 Samsung smartphones (it was previously looking for just 8) and 3 tablets come Dec. 6. Samsung wants a re-trial, alleging the time constraints of the California trial "prevented Samsung from presenting a full and fair case." Neither side will be giving its patent lawyers a break anytime soon.
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  • lucnj
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    Apple is afraid of samsung and is turning into a big bully.
    This is actually transforming apple in an old bully we all know, microsoft, who is now hated by most.
    22 Sep 2012, 09:16 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Samsung lost.
    22 Sep 2012, 09:41 PM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Apple doesn't bully little girls.

     

    http://chn.ge/ScUnXw
    22 Sep 2012, 09:42 PM Reply Like
  • nelsongp
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    You must be joking. Apple is simply blunting the simple copycat.
    23 Sep 2012, 06:05 AM Reply Like
  • rocback
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    Samsung was ruled to be a thief. It needs to be held accountable.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:18 PM Reply Like
  • Machiavelli999
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    Breaking stupid rules does not make you a thief.
    23 Sep 2012, 06:16 PM Reply Like
  • Larry Hamilton
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    Bully, I think not. Samsung is the bully. I will take your house and live in it as I wish and pay you no rent....I think not. Apple is complete right to be awarded these funds for the R & D, time and other resourses used to create these wonderful product. Samsung needs to stop copying and start innovating! If society does not allow the artist/innovator to obtain the fruits of their labor, they we stop innovating and society will suffer.
    22 Sep 2012, 09:24 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Samsung has done nothing worse than Google, HTC, Motorola etc. They are just the most successful and Apple feels threatened by them. Apple knows Samsung is probably an easier target than Google/Motorola which would unleash a patent war they wouldn't look forward to fighting.
    22 Sep 2012, 09:39 PM Reply Like
  • Machiavelli999
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    Yes, I am sure it took a lot of R&D and innovation to come up with a rounded corner design.

     

    All TVs are square, how come we didn't grant a monopoly to square TVs to the first company that come out with one? Maybe because back then we had some common sense. Now we are a dumb, stupid and pathetic country whose time is slowly passing by. This court case is just the latest example.
    23 Sep 2012, 02:36 AM Reply Like
  • nelsongp
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    Cannot get them all simultaniously, but one by one they will be vented.
    chop-chop-chop.
    23 Sep 2012, 06:05 AM Reply Like
  • tanulal
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    for what crating rectangle design , Why AAPL is not winning on suing samsung on its design pattern in other country
    23 Sep 2012, 06:11 AM Reply Like
  • ssmith90
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    microsoft had a tablet years before apple, the iphone design and os is based on sony and samsung predecessors. tell me again what they've innovated? it certainly isnt the 4G LTE technology they are using in iphone 4S and 5. apple got lucky in america, but this wont fly in other countries.
    http://bit.ly/PN9fOh
    23 Sep 2012, 08:42 AM Reply Like
  • Shnork
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    Apple says, 'I own the air. If you want to breathe, pay me." Some things just can't and shouldn't be patented...
    23 Sep 2012, 12:40 PM Reply Like
  • rocback
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    The jury heard all the evidence from BOTH sides and found as a matter of law that Samsung ius a thief. They need to be held accountable.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:19 PM Reply Like
  • rocback
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    I notice you are named "chop chop"...a korean word? Hmmmm.....
    23 Sep 2012, 05:20 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Nope but thanks for trying. A US jury in a US Court ruled for a good outcome for a US company. Big surprise. Tell me why that didnt happen elsewhere in the world?
    23 Sep 2012, 10:53 PM Reply Like
  • goneskuba
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    lol...who do you think is next for a flurry of lawsuits... Google, HTC, Motorola, etc. As for Motorola, Google will share the brunt of costs associated with the lawsuits, being the new Motorola Mobility
    24 Sep 2012, 12:17 AM Reply Like
  • goneskuba
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    Again, most of the uninformed did not actually what AAPL won on. hey won for design individuality, not on the way the square/retangle looked like. Rubberbanding was the biggest win for AAPL. And oh yeh, the Samsung insider letters is what got them busted...

     

    "But overall most jurors were very receptive to Apple, swayed by the arguments and evidence such as emails between Samsung executives expressing admiration for Apple's designs, he said.
    ".

     

    http://on.wsj.com/NLLesN
    24 Sep 2012, 01:05 AM Reply Like
  • dmarilley
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    Apple is on a trajectory to have no up to date products, just a shell of an ecosystem. So they want to patent troll against anyone that is on time with technology.
    22 Sep 2012, 09:55 PM Reply Like
  • WisPokerGuy
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    That comment is the most utterly ridiculous thing I've ever read on this site - and THAT is saying something. Apple won the patent fight and is well within their right to press for damages. They smell blood and realize that they can severely hamper one of their biggest competitors with sanctions. Any one of us in a similar position would do the EXACT SAME THING.

     

    Apple is the dominate player in the smart phone area. No ever is heard saying, "I can't wait until the next Samsung product hits the market". To equate this request as weakness on Apple's part is just silly. Samsung isn't going away. But if they continue to steal product innovations from Apple, they will never be more then a second string player in the marketplace.
    22 Sep 2012, 11:25 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    They won the patent fight in California..... seems pretty unbiased. Interestingly, they didn't have the same outcome in courts outside of the US. Makes you wonder.....
    23 Sep 2012, 12:04 AM Reply Like
  • Machiavelli999
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    How come no one realizes that it's the patent system that is at fault. If you can press over $1 Billion patent infringement on absurd things as "rounded corner rectangle design" there is something wrong the system.

     

    Apple is taking full advantage of it. Apple wins. We all lose since no one else is allowed to develop a device with rounded corners except Apple.
    23 Sep 2012, 02:38 AM Reply Like
  • pocohonta
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    I wish people would get their facts straight and not follow the false rhetorics about the so called "round corner rectangle" accusation that the newspapers have sensationalized.

     

    The patent D618677, 087, 305 and 889 are simply description of a device showing its shape, dimensions and what this device will be used as. Such information is required part of the patent process. No where within these four key documents did Apple claim to have invented "round corner rectangle". What Apple claim is the totality of these various elements that make up what an Apple device looks like and how they will apply this design toward an actual product.

     

    Apple sued Samsung for infringing the "trade dress", a form of intellectual property that describes the characteristics of the visual appearance of a product or its packaging that signify the source of the product to consumers.

     

    To put it in a lame "duck" terminology: If a duck has a patent on its "trade dress" and you took special care to make yourself look like a duck, quack like a duck, and walk like a duck, with the similar duck shape, color, dimension, and the "trademark" ugly beak, and as result, people gave you lots of duck food, then the jury would find you guilty of infringement on the duck's trade dress patent, and depending on how angry the duck is about your wilful intent to mimic him and the amount of duck food that you have received as a result, he may ask the judge for up to three times the damage.
    23 Sep 2012, 03:56 AM Reply Like
  • coolshaps
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    Wonderful explanation. A lot of people want their voice to be heard and feel passionately about something without listening and understanding both sides of the issue.
    23 Sep 2012, 04:32 AM Reply Like
  • aperture1
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    It is not that Samsung can't use Apple's design, it's just that they have to license it and pay Apple a fair price for it. Samsung did not do that.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:00 AM Reply Like
  • livshk
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    Let's see, 2007 - iPhone, 2008 - Mac Book Air, 2010 - iPad, 2012 - Retina Mac Book Pro (sets the new standard for the industry again!) ..

     

    Each one of them is copied by SamSung (and others).

     

    and what did SamSung do instead of copying ? oh the 5'' screen on their phones .. but who can't do that ? as a matter of fact it's a lot harder to make up compact then size up. Oh, I know I left something out - Stylus!
    23 Sep 2012, 06:40 AM Reply Like
  • livshk
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    Totally agreed.
    23 Sep 2012, 06:41 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Apple won't license the iPhone's trade dress. Pigs will fly before that happens. But Apple did offer to license some of their patents to Samsung and Samsung refused.
    23 Sep 2012, 08:54 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Pigs will fly before Samsung is materially affected by any of this. The Galaxy SIII (with many of it's revolutionary features which AREN'T on the I5) isn't affected by the current judgement and it is the phone to get off the market now if Apple wants to really hurt Samsung.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:32 AM Reply Like
  • Machiavelli999
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    A Panasonic TV looks almost exactly the same as a Samsung TV and as a Vizio TV. Yet, you don't see those three suing each other because they are infringing on each other's "trade dress".

     

    This is absurd. These claims are absurd. How did we go 200+ years without any such lawsuits? Did it hurt innovation back then? On the contrary, not having to worry about infringing on someone's "trade dress" and other absurd legalese terms facilitated innovation. And now we have a plethora of these lawsuits.

     

    Companies are spending more resources and money hiring lawyers to fight lawsuits than actually innovating.
    23 Sep 2012, 04:55 PM Reply Like
  • rocback
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    Actually, they have been winning 90% of their cases world wide. In fact they even won one in your country Korea, chop chop. Sorry but facts are stubborn things.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:22 PM Reply Like
  • rocback
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    Samsung apologists are trying to denigrate the jury verdict by the same old tired lie that it was about the rectangle design. Read the opinion before you make a bigger fool of yourself.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:24 PM Reply Like
  • pocohonta
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    The law suit that Apple just won did not include S3 because it came into the market after the filing. However on 8/31/2012 Apple amended its law suits (ie. a new accusation) to include S3 and will first ask for a summary judgment (let the judge decide) before moving to the next phase.
    I'm predicting that a bulk of the profit from Galaxy S3 will eventually go toward Apple, because the accusations is basically the same.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:09 PM Reply Like
  • mattyw
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    They won because it was a US jury. In most of the world they would have lost. Let us see how they do in Asian courts. They might be ruined after those courts rule.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:44 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Nope. You obviously didnt read the judgement in Korea....

     

    http://bit.ly/UvXkZI
    23 Sep 2012, 10:54 PM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Except the S3 is completely different from anything that Apple has done/ It has multiple features that you cant even find in an IPhone 5
    23 Sep 2012, 10:55 PM Reply Like
  • Lamont123
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    I think both parties should spend the patent time and resources revolutionizing the next product. Maybe smartphones like the ipod will be much less important in the future and this issue will have diminishing returns
    22 Sep 2012, 09:57 PM Reply Like
  • Skippy09
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    The patent fights do not hamper either company's ability to innovate (if Samsung ever *had* that ability). That's what those highly paid corporate lawyers are for and we all know Apple can afford that.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:05 AM Reply Like
  • Canadian Red Neck
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    If you think Samsung or other companies (including those from Asia) do not have the capacity and capability to innovate, you will be unpleasantly surprised. You may want to check out the following link to see how other countries are catching fast on innovations and patents.

     

    http://bit.ly/SMPs08
    23 Sep 2012, 11:48 AM Reply Like
  • viper1000tt
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    You have a following who will by anything with an AAPL logo and one thing AAPL has never had.......competition. Amzn's new HD tablets are killer as are Samsung's S 3's. The end is near...aappl is a one trick pony with 67% of ALL rev. coming from a new Iph which is more evolutionary that revolutionary
    22 Sep 2012, 10:03 PM Reply Like
  • Skippy09
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    Debating the Apple bears is like taking candy from a baby.

     

    "Amzn's new HD tablets are killer as are Samsung's S 3's. The end is near...aappl is a one trick pony with 67% of ALL rev. coming from a new Iph which is more evolutionary that revolutionary."

     

    Don't you have anything better than that?
    23 Sep 2012, 12:06 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Doesn't need. It's true. IPhone is crucial to AAPL's bottom line
    23 Sep 2012, 12:10 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    How many iPad and iPhone killers have there been so far? I've lost count.
    23 Sep 2012, 08:56 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    Remember when Sony TVs were the bomb and everyone had to type on their "crackberry"?

     

    Pride cometh before the fall..... and tech is littered with carcasses of companies that were once the dominant forces in the world.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:34 AM Reply Like
  • Herr Hansa
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    http://bit.ly/PLLXbJ

     

    Foss Patents has more details. If successful, Apple would be able to completely block any and all Samsung smartphones and tablets from the U.S. market.
    22 Sep 2012, 10:19 PM Reply Like
  • padresguy
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    I'd better buy the Galaxy Note asap.
    23 Sep 2012, 04:30 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    Go buy the Note. No one cares.
    23 Sep 2012, 08:58 AM Reply Like
  • anonymous#12
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    And the clear winners are: the lawyers. This is a bonanza for them.
    22 Sep 2012, 10:51 PM Reply Like
  • dnpvd51
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    Makes one feel all warm and fuzzy about lawyers.

     

    I have no dog in this fight. I am writing this from an iPad.

     

    I have seen the Samsung's at Best Buy. What exactly is this lawsuit about? The Androids may be even better than the iPad
    24 Sep 2012, 12:21 AM Reply Like
  • rubicon59
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    Despite the verduct Samsung continues to market the infringing product aggressively. Does a thief ever learn?
    23 Sep 2012, 01:07 AM Reply Like
  • chopchop0
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    The GS3 wants nothing to do with Apple, trust me. Apple probably wishes it had nothing to do with maps lol
    23 Sep 2012, 01:28 AM Reply Like
  • LarsJordebo
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    And you have a following of Apple haters who will buy anything as long as it isn't made by Apple.

     

    So what is your point exactly?
    23 Sep 2012, 06:04 AM Reply Like
  • gensearch2
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    There is a fundamental principle [or lack of] that Apple haters are illustrating.

     

    They don't believe in "property rights". These are the same people that copy songs and don't think the record company or artist deserves any money. These are the same people that think that electronic books should be for free. Software should be free.

     

    At the end of the day, this is about "property rights" you either believe in them or you don't. They don't. Without property rights you might as well forget about capitalism.

     

    I'm embarrassed that it's taken me this long to figure that out. When someone doesn't believe in property rights there really isn't any point drilling down to the details.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:31 AM Reply Like
  • Herr Hansa
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    I know far more people with iPods who copied and shared songs, and continue to do so. When I was in college (graduated 1998) I had many of my friends criticize me for paying for software, and nearly all of them were using Apple computers at the time; I had a PowerBook 5300. Apple iPod and computer users are no better, nor worse, in illegal sharing.

     

    In copyright, I believe heavily, and practice judiciously. The problem I have in this case is the "design patent" which is a bastardization of the US patent code, not possible to duplicate in other countries.

     

    http://bit.ly/NlbESJ

     

    Why is Braun not suing Apple over trade dress? Especially when Jonathon Ive has stated in public that Dieter Rams was an influence on his work.
    23 Sep 2012, 01:55 PM Reply Like
  • bach72
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    Apple are the innovators. Samsung are the copycats.
    Apple has every right to protect their patents.
    23 Sep 2012, 06:11 AM Reply Like
  • Mortonk
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    It's akin to someone getting on a train without a ticket and believing that they are beneath paying for the effort that goes in to making a train run, it's parasitic, an unfortunate aspect of the world we live in.........but doesn't make it right.....it also doesn't make it right that everyone should just accept it because it happens......! Apple have said enough is enough and are working at it with the legal constraints within the law......if only everyone else in this world believed in fair play, our children would grow up with better moral standards.
    23 Sep 2012, 06:53 AM Reply Like
  • SIOP
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    Just a thought, what if the factories (read Foxconn) that make the iPhones started selling the iPhones themselves? Bypassing any patent infringement issues and pocketing the money.

     

    hmmm...
    "New Foxconn factory will have retail store"
    http://bit.ly/Q9n5ww
    23 Sep 2012, 10:30 AM Reply Like
  • tb2973
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    I don't think Foxconn is stupid like that. Why does it take too much risky ideal and only YOU have it!
    23 Sep 2012, 07:01 PM Reply Like
  • itexrex
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    Different countries are likely to render different results because America values innovation more than any other country. For whatever reason, Asia does not have the same values as indicated by the rampant pirating of DVDs. We have two different value systems meeting head to head. But getting back to the case at hand, it is my opinion that the best way to resolve the present Samsung patent matter is for the Court to issue the broadest injunction possible that is justified by the findings of the jury. Despite Samsung's litigation bravado, it cannot afford such an injunction. And despite Apple's litigation bravado, their attorneys are telling Apple that they have the better side of the case, but that they can always be reversed on appeal and have to do the whole thing over again. The injunction will push the parties towards settling this matter with Apple issuing licenses to Samsung for a premium, but fair sum of money, given that Samsung took a beating from the jury. This seems to be the most sensible way to resolve the matter. I know that some of you believe that the lawyers will never allow that. After practicing law for 32 years I can assure you that the attorneys are so sick and nervous about this case that they would both be pushing their clients for resolution through licensing. To paraphrase Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, "lawyers are people too."
    24 Sep 2012, 01:24 AM Reply Like
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