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Former Clinton economic adviser Laura D’Andrea Tyson describes how the "vicious circle" of...

Former Clinton economic adviser Laura D’Andrea Tyson describes how the "vicious circle" of income inequality leads to educational inequality, which then perpetuates the wealth gaps in the U.S. Tyson also notes how poverty is much higher in single-parent families than in those with married parents. But while she wants to increase taxes for the rich and pour money into education, she stops short of advocating policies to strengthen marriage.
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  • OptionManiac
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    What policies could strengthen marriage? Outlaw divorce? Mandatory counseling?
    23 Sep 2012, 09:04 AM Reply Like
  • Poor Texan
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    What is marriage?
    23 Sep 2012, 05:32 PM Reply Like
  • Big Bad Bulls
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    Well it has been proven over and over that a marriage between a husband and wife reduces poverty, increases values, and improves family life in general. It almost goes without saying that a solid family structure is good for a society.

     

    Just look at the decline in the country over the last 40 years. Do you think our families have gotten better or worse in any of the following categories?

     

    Morals Income levels Usage of drugs or alcohol Crime

     

    The list goes on and on...
    23 Sep 2012, 10:38 PM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    Totally agree, but you can't regulate human emotion. First stage towards marriage is attraction.
    24 Sep 2012, 10:22 AM Reply Like
  • davidingeorgia
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    "But while she wants to increase taxes for anyone with enough money to be taxed and pour money into teachers unions, she stops short of advocating policies to strengthen marriage."

     

    There. Fixed it for you.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:13 AM Reply Like
  • Mad_Max_A_Million
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    You are all aware that B.O. wants to increase taxes by letting Bush tax cuts expire. so he can fund more Solyndra devestments. But did you know that had he been allowed to do that, the lower 10 percent rate would go from 10 to 15 percent.
    While the highest rate would go from 35 to 40 percent.
    What that means is that the middle class rate would rise 50 percent.
    The upper class rate would only rise 14 percent.
    Presto - You been lied to by the lefties. The Bush tax cuts benefited the middle class, not the so called rich. GW actually narrowed the income gap.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:58 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    Max, if you look in the right places, there ARE news articles admitting the mid. class was in for a significant tax increase should the GW cuts expire. They are few and far between, and short lived as well.
    24 Sep 2012, 10:27 AM Reply Like
  • Terry330
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    Conservatives (Tea Party) want Taliban type laws in US for all marriages. They want women to be property, with no voting rights.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:14 AM Reply Like
  • robgra
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    Another voice of ignorance babbles garbage.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:44 AM Reply Like
  • surfnspy
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    What's wrong with that? As long as they look good, make sure the homework gets done and fridge is stocked with beer that's fine with me.
    23 Sep 2012, 10:39 AM Reply Like
  • Pwdrskir
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    No Terry, your describing Obama's Arab Spring Breakers who have a war on women, gays and the US.
    23 Sep 2012, 01:24 PM Reply Like
  • Tricky
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    Another quality political discussion on SA. LOL
    23 Sep 2012, 09:26 AM Reply Like
  • youngman442002
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    Actually Terry330...it seems to me the Democrats are falling over backwards to placate the Muslims....and you know how they treat women..don´t you....you are so smart I assume you have studied the Koran and its laws
    23 Sep 2012, 09:28 AM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    Ah, no, they are bent on getting the vote from the female of our species. The repubs have made it easy, and from quite a few of the posts from SA males. My son always sais that while in college, he couls instantly tell whether or not a new buddy went to an all-boys school, they had no idea how to treat a coed with respect.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:54 PM Reply Like
  • CCCB
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    Actual Terry is not capable of free thought. Terry is programmed. Must recognized Terry for what the person is.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:37 AM Reply Like
  • robgra
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    Terry is a bot running on servers in DNC central
    23 Sep 2012, 09:45 AM Reply Like
  • robgra
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    The U.S. spends more per school aged child than most other industrialized nations. http://bit.ly/PyKdCO . Money for public education is not the problem: poor performance at all levels is the problem, which money will not cure. We need to demand more from those responsible for educating our children. We are being cheated by a broken delivery system.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:52 AM Reply Like
  • untrusting investor
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    rob,
    Exactly ... money is not the problem. Performance, results, efficiency, outcomes, etc. are the problem. And it's not just education .... it's in multiple areas such as tax policy, healthcare, regulation, energy policy, and many others. Dysfunctional politics, crony capitalism, and captured regulators are the source of the problem. More money will only make it even worse.
    23 Sep 2012, 01:51 PM Reply Like
  • Pwdrskir
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    K-12 education in the US is a Monopoly than needs to be broken. We need to instill competition in the education system for the sake of the kids who will have to compete in the growing world economy.
    23 Sep 2012, 02:30 PM Reply Like
  • Poor Texan
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    If parents don't encourage their children to learn, especially by their own example, (e.g. watching the History channel instead of Mork and Mindy), why should the children bother. (And why should a burned out teacher care?) And if the parents don't care enough about their relationship to work on the difficulties in any marriage, why should the kids feel the parents care about them? And if a parent doesn't care about a child, only the rare child will have enough self-esteem to continue to improve themselves. And how can these children grow up to invest responsibly in themselves and others, including investing in publicly traded businesses. I speak from the experience of being raised by and raising a two parent family and, in my second marriage, seeing all the problems of broken homes.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:42 PM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    I totally agree - parents and not the system are the problem. Education has to start before a kid first starts the first day of school. Good essay on this in "Freakenomics".
    23 Sep 2012, 05:56 PM Reply Like
  • Hendershott
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    Lets make them take out student loans for K-12.
    24 Sep 2012, 09:38 PM Reply Like
  • Fueled By Randomness
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    Why are we going to "pour money into education"? We've been pouring money into education for a couple of decades (at least) now and what we have is kids with huge debts and degrees in "Comparative 13th Century Bulls*it Stuides" working at jobs they could've gotten straight out of high school (if they're working at all.) Anytime you "pour money" into anything it's like a dinner bell ringing for all the con artists, grifters and crony capitalists to come to the zoo for feeding time. Why not try to actually IMPROVE education i.e. figure out ways to make the graduates actually employable - instead of pouring money into it (the two are NOT synonymous.)
    23 Sep 2012, 10:03 AM Reply Like
  • Edaugh
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    Actually Geoffster, the successful are successful for a myriad of different reasons (self-dependency, talent+ hard work, luck, family connections, etc..) It simply isn't just a matter of "not being a parasite." Quite a few successful people took advantage of Pell grants, subsidized student loans, the GI Bill, FHA home loans, Small business funding and tax breaks, etc.. Are all these people parasitic? They certainly enjoyed government benefits that they did not pay for.
    A level playing field that provides opportunity for the self-dependent and motivated is what helps promote success. You simply cannot have this on a widespread basis in a society our size without government help. We have a "mixed-economy" for a reason.
    23 Sep 2012, 10:54 AM Reply Like
  • The Geoffster
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    I can't argue with your points, but how much is too much? The U.S. debt is @ 100% of GDP and the federal government borrows 40 cents of every dollar. The Federal Reserve is printing money to cover the deficit and inflate. I live in a city where the families of the majority of residents have been on the dole for three generations. Very few of their children will ever get out of poverty because they are incentivized to remain beholden to their political masters and supplement their incomes from the hidden economy. Social spending will always increase to satisfy the demand.
    23 Sep 2012, 11:22 AM Reply Like
  • Wyatt Junker
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    Was at a school gymnasium last week. The amount of tax money used to build that structure was breathtaking. The fleet of school buses, dozens, sitting idle outside, also breathtaking. And I thought, why is any of this even necessary at all?

     

    None of it is necessary. Why are kids being bussed into school at all as if they were diplomats with private limo service? End all of it. Let homeowners keep their property taxes. As it stands, there is a perpetual annuity given to teacher's unions on every house built in America. You never own your house and for what? So that a 'teacher' can retire at 55 with the golden parachute?

     

    End all of it.

     

    There are plenty of individuals who can teach right in their own homes right now. Plenty of very bright elderly folks who have had excellent life experiences that can bring in kids, two, three, four, five at a time IN THEIR OWN HOMES. You pay them for the service. Its a two fer. The teacher gets extra income and the student gets a better education. Its actually a three fer because now all that unnecessary school infrastructure is no longer required, no more gymnasiums or school buses or ridiculous pension, etc. and no more property taxes, period.

     

    The game is over.

     

    We've figured you out, commies. Your little experiment isn't working anymore. End the fascism now.
    23 Sep 2012, 10:56 AM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    Have you seen the new college student recreation centers? Colleges are trying to out do each other.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:58 PM Reply Like
  • Alex_G
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    The arms race in education and healthcare are little talked about, but are responsible for a large part of the hyperinflation in both industries.
    23 Sep 2012, 06:18 PM Reply Like
  • ColdLogic
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    Especially with the amount of free educational tutorials and videos online, such as Khan Academy, partly funded by Bill Gates, which has videos explaining almost every major concept taught in the major academic subjects of school. It's costing taxpayers $10k per student-year, so a class of 25 costs us $250,000 EACH YEAR... premium price for an inferior product. That's govt in a nutshell.
    24 Sep 2012, 11:39 AM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    Love Khan University.
    25 Sep 2012, 08:32 PM Reply Like
  • mike mohr
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    No more government interventions. Everything has been manipulated from Markets, Currency, Politics and Policies. Let us be!
    23 Sep 2012, 10:59 AM Reply Like
  • Edaugh
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    Hey Wyatt,

     

    That sounds like a pretty sweet deal, maybe I should become a high school teacher. You just sit around and get rich while you count down the days to retirement. Why isn't there a waiting list around the corner to apply for this job?
    I love your logic too. There are plenty of old people that like to watch Matlock re-runs, why don't we get our legal service from them. Hell, there are plenty of old people that like to watch ER and House, and they have lots of free time. Guess where I'm going next time I need medical care. So long hospitals!
    23 Sep 2012, 11:03 AM Reply Like
  • Wyatt Junker
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    So you're saying that the enormous educational infrastructures found in every neighborhood every 5 mile radius has been a good investment? And you're also saying that the teacher union pensions are a good investment for 'the children' also?

     

    Look, its clear you hate old people by your derision, but I am not going to be similarly glib regarding the greatest generation. There are many of them that are very bright and dynamic people. They are more than capable, probably better in educating, than our current crop of union lackey derelicts. If they would be allowed to teach, they would compete on merit. It would 1) remove all the unnecessary waste of infrastructure, 2) eliminate the need for property taxes, 3) help shore up the elderly demographic retirement accounts since social security is a joke and 4) help them so that they don't have to work at Wal Mart.

     

    I offer practical solutions. You offer the old, tired joke about old people = Matlock reruns. It was funny 10 years ago. Not so much anymore. Find a new knock knock joke, kid.
    23 Sep 2012, 01:13 PM Reply Like
  • Edaugh
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    Greatest Generation? As compared to what?? You talk about me offering a tired line and then you come back with Tom Brokaw's sappy tag? Do you mean the generation that pushed for union development throughout this country that you so hate? Do you mean the generation that screwed over their future sons and daughters with unchecked spending? Or maybe you mean the generation that built and staffed the "enormous educational infrastructures every 5 miles" It's all the same generation. As for a "return on investment" I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about. How do you quantify the success of a school? 10 years, 20 years, 40 years later? Do you add up everyone's lifetime earnings? How about the fact that the vast majority of it's graduates are productive citizens that contribute to families and society instead of sitting in jail or on welfare.
    As for tired jokes, the teacher union lackey thing is pretty flimsy. Are you aware that only 22 states even have teacher unions? Again, that was a greatest generation ideal that has been steadily dismantled over the past 20 years.
    You deride pensions(which keep the elderly from working at Wal-Mart) and government excess, but then you talk about shoring up the elderly demographic retirement accounts , just curious as to where this money comes from? Are you advocating transfer payments? Another bailout? Please explain.
    23 Sep 2012, 07:59 PM Reply Like
  • Wyatt Junker
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    Compared to the spoiled brats of the 60's, the generation Brokaw refers to are indeed great, but that's too easy. That's like comparing diarrhea to caviar. Its a shame the generation that defeated Hirohito were also naive and innocent enough as a group to believe in LBJ's damage to the country re the domestic evil those programs would become, yes. Its a shame the generation before them were naive and innocent enough to believe in FDR's. However, it is today's generation that is now taking those perverse legacies(medicare, medicaid and social security) which only comprised a small percentage of the national expenditure at the time they were initiated and ballooned them to well over 75% of the budget, and that funded by borrowing and incurred debt in order to pretend they're solvent. Another bailout? You must mean of government, right? Don't worry, vote for President Downgrade again. We're getting so used to the downgrades that a dozen more won't hurt, right? Just sit back and pretend its all okay. We'll go from $16 trillion to well over $22 in four more years. Sound good? Its not like Obama's mentioned a damn thing about that. So I guess he has absolutely zero plans to deal with it. Should be fun to watch when Las Vegas finally downgrades us to junk at 50 to 1 odds.
    23 Sep 2012, 08:38 PM Reply Like
  • Alex_G
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    "Do you mean the generation that screwed over their future sons and daughters with unchecked spending?"

     

    Ed, that's the boomers, the offspring of the Greatest Generation...
    23 Sep 2012, 08:56 PM Reply Like
  • Hendershott
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    Your "practical" solution is that we should school our children at at home? How much Trigonometry, Calculus, Physics and Chemistry do you know? Not to mention Biology, History and Geology. The world has progressed a bit beyond reading writing and arithmetic. Bible studies won't suffice either. I love the Khan Academy but you can't just tell a kid to Google Khan Academy and expect the child to get an education. Some structure is required.
    24 Sep 2012, 09:50 PM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    I had four years of calculus in college, twenty years later I was faced helping my highschool seniors' with their homework. Not good.
    25 Sep 2012, 08:37 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    A lot of our kids don't want to learn for the most part. It is not a value that can compete with sitcom reruns. The want the education but they don't want to learn or work at learning.
    26 Sep 2012, 12:54 AM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    Do kids tinker anymore? Do they have curiosity?
    27 Sep 2012, 07:58 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    "Do kids tinker anymore? Do they have curiosity?"

     

    Perhaps you have not noticed how trendy tinkering with Arduino and Raspberry Pi is.

     

    Or perhaps you haven't visited a site like Instructables recently.

     

    There's lots of interesting tinkering going on.
    27 Sep 2012, 09:28 AM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    I'll have to check those out.
    28 Sep 2012, 07:34 AM Reply Like
  • Destin
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    It's pretty audacious to propose another money dump into public education given what we watched in Chicago the other week. I'm putting that...delicately. The sad fact is the local union machines will get their money no matter what, either through more direct spending on education or through tax-payer funded federal bailouts of their bankrupt pension systems. Yeah, those are coming too.
    23 Sep 2012, 11:39 AM Reply Like
  • NUNAY the KING
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    My wife has been a teacher for a long time. First and for most you need parents who actually take active roles in their children's education, especially reading, at a very early age, and continue to remain involved until the child is able to understand what is needed for themselves. Love and encouragement. Millions of teachers understand this. Broken families with no time to devote, or who don't give a shit about the kids education is the greatest determiner in a Childs success. It is obvious that successful grade schools etc. All have the greatest parent turnout at PTA functions etc. My wife has worked both sides of this fence. My wife has also had classrooms full of very low, troubled students. In general, the parents never show up for anything, ever, and probably never did.
    Teachers cannot teach a classroom full of children who have been shunted aside their entire lives, and these groups of children, in reality, need much more than a teacher can be expected to give them.
    I find it ironic that my wife, a very capable teacher who performs well in a disciplined classroom, and performed even better before all of this "testing" became the norm, is blamed by all of the truly lousy parents, who expect teachers to fix everything! A Childs education begins at home. A healthy family structure which supports their children's education obviously makes an enormous difference.
    23 Sep 2012, 11:48 AM Reply Like
  • wkl
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    Sounds great Nunay.
    Who would have ever thought a child needs nurturing parents. Since your wife feels we have come to the point that better education going forward for our children is better parenting, I have an idea for your wife. Have her go to her teacher's Union Boss and suggest all future increases in money intended for schools, instead be funneled toward a new federal program where the money is given to the parents where it must be spent on better parenting skills. We get your wife's frustrations. What we don't get is the constant fight put up by the Unions to choke the competion to public education, i.e. charter and private schools and a parents right to have their dollars go to educate their children in the best way they see fit.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:36 PM Reply Like
  • Leftfield
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    Nunay - We developed this enormous glut of lousy parents at the trough of government by direct incentives to have kids out of wedlock and the vast spending that accelerated with LBJ's "War on Poverty" that marked the end of declining poverty in the US. And by taxing working stiffs so excessively that two-earner parents became the required norm to have a hope of owning a home and maintaining a middle class existence. There goes time spent with the kids.

     

    Since large government is always excused by it's advocates because of the problems it is expanded to solve, it is long past overdue that they show some sort of cost/benefit results and offer up some of the stupendous myriad of programs that are dysfunctional, duplicative or working at cross purposes for cuts that would finance new spending without abusing the American taxpayer further.

     

    Such real reform would of necessity reduce the numbers of unwarranted beneficiaries while increasing their incentive to work, and reduce the taxload on productive Americans for a change. Give them more time to spend with their kids.

     

    Advocates of all-encompassing government give such short shrift to the real opportunity cost that depresses prospects in the private sector so that more may always be handed to the public sector which is well organized for that result. This has gone on for too long and real results are needed instead of excuses and more demands, starting with the teachers unions.
    23 Sep 2012, 01:31 PM Reply Like
  • NUNAY the KING
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    IMHO, public grades 1-12 need no more money, the extra money needed could simply be found by eliminating the federal government from the loop, completely. Let each state determine education funding. How is it possible that someone in Washington DC can make a more informed decision than local city or county? That should free up plenty of money for education.
    Second, if monies are to be available for charter and private schools, then the same rules for public schools should apply. I.E., if charter and private schools do not have to accept students who they do not want, neither does public education.
    This would force some sorely needed new direction in educating young Americans. Maybe if SOME children were BOOTED OUT, the remaining children (and parents), would realize just how important education needs to taken in this country.
    23 Sep 2012, 08:20 PM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    I agree. Education should be totally private. If you can't afford to directly pay for your kid's education, then the kids don't deserve it.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:47 PM Reply Like
  • Hendershott
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    Yeah, Lets make them get student loans to go to grade school, or even kindergarten.
    25 Sep 2012, 05:39 PM Reply Like
  • Tricky
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    Jonathan Swift had an interesting idea for what to do with poor kids, so that they wouldn't become an annoying burden on society.
    25 Sep 2012, 07:50 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    The cause and effect or chicken and egg analysis of this article is a muddled mess. Basically poor people have a poor education and it is because we are not investing enough? The writer also apparently needs to go back to school although she hits on issues and topics that need to be discussed. Another gem "poverty is much higher in single parent households." Duh!

     

    Education must become a VALUE and thereby it is VALUABLE to families and students. Many poor don't value education and the hard work associated with it. They don't have the drive to be the next scientist or doctor. Lip service is easy but studying non-stop and skipping parties is a real commitment.

     

    And being a student is a vow of poverty below the line of what many people want to deal with. Many people coming out of HS want a job right away so they can buy an iPhone or a car or have the money to party with and they don't want to just have money to eat, sleep and study. I did not own a car until I was 30. When I left HS I went to college and lived a lower standard of living than my classmates who went to work. They were happy with their decision and a number did OK but I definitely live at a higher standard than they do now.

     

    I work with a lot of educated people from other countries and their drive is far beyond what US kids have. They work all day and into the night to move up. And they don't have iPhones. Our kids don't get it and I assume the parents don't either. Our kids like hip hop, having fun, texting all day and looking for the next mobile phone and letting dad and/or mom pay for it. I would also note the Nickelodeon shows on TV that show kids living a high end life with no apparent means of support like it is all magic. Unbelievably unrealistic.

     

    Teachers and the unions are a mess. There are a lot of good teachers but the bad ones drag the whole profession down. The union doesn't want good teachers because they challenge the need for a union. Good people get paid more and the union does not stand for that. Giving teachers raises based on another degree is just a racket. I don't need my 2nd grade kid to be taught math by someone who has a PHD in math. It is killing a fly with a sledgehammer. Retiring at 55 with ridiculous benefits is fiscally unsustainable.

     

    As another individual posted our school infrastructure has never been bigger or better. The books have never been better. The internet provides more information at our kids' fingertips than we even dreamed existed. There are no excuses. And the internet should become a huge teaching platform and we need less teachers and more technology. Non academic facilities like gyms and fields should be shared across schools. Not every school needs their own facility. We need to focus our capital not waste it.

     

    The educational system is definitely slanted against boys and men which is then exacerbated as the work force is slanted against them too. The male education deficit is a huge problem and if men cannot find jobs then we will have problems with families forming or staying together. Kids will be born out of wedlock and will have no models which to emulate from their parents. The view of some women in that there is a zero sum game competition between men and women and that they don't need men is asinine and massively destructive. Suffering is all around us from this stupidity and that includes women, children and men.

     

    Our education system definitely is not teaching practical job skills and at least half of our students need this because they will not go to college. We need much better technical training schools for jobs that give coursework for 1 to 2 years. Many people will benefit from this curriculum. Computer programming should be minted from 2 year colleges by the thousands not 4 year colleges. Colleges want to hang on to these degrees because they make the college money but we need to move on and allocate resources better.

     

    We cannot change the family directly by law but we can support the two main principals which are the man and woman. Right now the men are getting nothing for the most part and it is killing us. I am not confident that men will ever acquire 4 year degrees like women do which means we need another pathway for men.

     

    And if we are not giving enough resources to children it is worth noting that we have built a country that transfers most of the wealth to the older generation to live a dream retirement and there are consequences to that choice. Children don't vote so they don't matter when push comes to shove. And we send plenty of money to other countries because of their poor and then say we don't give enough to our poor? Pull that money back in if that is a problem. Elitist politicians and business leaders give lip service to this so they can get more votes or look responsible but they are not helping. When do they ever visit a ghetto? When has a business leader like Warren B ever invested a billion into a poor neighborhood? They invest in India but not in inner cities. Of course there are plenty of business hating politicians that make business leaders miserable whenever they do try to do something. It is very risky to invest in the US versus other countries that solicit our business leaders.

     

    If I could change one thing it would be that education becomes a true value for our children. That would overcome a lot of the other challenges. The motivation should not be that we are noncompetitive and are poor which are negatives and are focused only on outcomes but rather that we value education because we want to know things and out of that will come many of the positive things we are looking for.
    23 Sep 2012, 12:09 PM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    Exactly what the "Freakanomics" essay detailed.
    23 Sep 2012, 09:48 PM Reply Like
  • mweaver
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    daniel patrick moynihan said it
    in 1964
    "these new programs will lead to the
    destruction of the black family
    in america".
    23 Sep 2012, 12:57 PM Reply Like
  • Pwdrskir
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    Total Bunk,
    Millions have never been to college and created successful businesses, despite Govt oppression and what Obama stated:
    “ If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

     

    This is NOT the Change I was Hoping for from Obama.
    23 Sep 2012, 01:34 PM Reply Like
  • Buddy Canuspare
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    In the states where I've lived, property taxes are levied at the local level, so the gyms and bus fleets are bought because the voters of the school districts agreed to tax themselves to pay for them. Are you saying that the school district's taxpayers should be stripped of that right?
    23 Sep 2012, 04:21 PM Reply Like
  • Poor Texan
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    Some of the voters in the school district (who may be renters) voted to have all the property owners pay for these programs. Just sharing the wealth like the guy that holds up the convenience store.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:55 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    BC

     

    Need to focus on a mission for the school system and focus the capital on that mission. Running a school and a YMCA is not focus. Putting education first is a value issue. If a school district has that whipped and they want to do more sports or whatever it is their dime. But don't look for federal funds for other things or ask for sympathy if their kids are not cutting it.

     

    The school referendums that I have seen are all in a rut and have little to no imagination on how they are put together and presented. And most don't have more than one choice.
    23 Sep 2012, 05:55 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Texan,

     

    "Some of the voters in the school district (who may be renters) voted to have all the property owners pay for these programs. "

     

    You don't think that the property tax is reflected in their rent?
    24 Sep 2012, 07:22 AM Reply Like
  • Poor Texan
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    "You don't think that the property tax is reflected in their rent?"

     

    Yes, I do. But they don't. Besides, supply and demand is more important in setting rents.
    24 Sep 2012, 10:58 PM Reply Like
  • RJKRJK
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    Politicians in general and Democrats in particular are good at identifying problems but turn a blind eye to the root causes and solutions. Their ideology has become their impediment. If you don't fix the root cause you won't make a dent in the problem. You can throw as much money at it as you want but nothing will change.
    23 Sep 2012, 06:02 PM Reply Like
  • Primarch
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    There are plenty of grants, scholarships and merit based programs to permit/facilitate those of us with sufficient drive and demonstrable potential to succeed. While I chose military service provided educational benefits, I don't think tax increases are the answer for more diverse opportunities.
    23 Sep 2012, 11:22 PM Reply Like
  • lauraiskojacobs
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    Doesn't it seem wrong to suggest that the children of low-income families can't/won't learn until incomes rise? Here in NYC (Democrat) Eva Moskowitz has led the charter school charge in Harlem and she has tremendous support. The schools focus is on high expectations and achievement of every kid. That's why there are thousands more applications then there are seats. Parents want more school choice. They can't wait for some vague promise of income inequality reduction as though that will magically lead to better educational results.
    24 Sep 2012, 01:01 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    laura

     

    Very good question.

     

    Another way to look at is if low incomes mean that children will not or cannot learn then it has to hold true that all high income people come from rich backgrounds going back into the distant past generation after generation. That does not make sense.

     

    Access is important but desire is more important.
    24 Sep 2012, 01:09 AM Reply Like
  • OptionManiac
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    Tomas, you're wrong. Desire is the MOST important.
    24 Sep 2012, 10:24 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    OM

     

    No argument from me.

     

    We are in violent agreement.
    24 Sep 2012, 03:56 PM Reply Like
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