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The first step in Damien Hoffman's 12-step plan to begin to fix our economic problems and bad habits: Buy local. "Maybe people will think twice about buying the cheapest possible item if they know it’s literally bankrupting our economy [or] pay the extra buck to buy local knowing that this will create solid communities with stable jobs."
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  • Rhianni32
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    Of course the flip side is if our jobs werent shipped overseas and we were left with low paying ones people would be more willing to pay for high priced made in the usa products.
    23 Aug 2010, 05:40 PM Reply Like
  • ts627
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    What if people say "I going to look at my life style, no two car's an suv w/jet ski's etc. Our life stlye's have a lot do with our demands for higher wages.My father and grandfather lived very nice,and did want want for much. Today we give our kids too much and demand very little in return. Living with a lower wage and being competived in the world would not be a bad thing.
    Thomas
    23 Aug 2010, 06:54 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    Even if I agree, It would be impossible to convince people to buy local and not cheap.
    Plus why should the consumer pay more when you really do not know where, who and how something is made?

     

    The politicians need to stop spending just like to the citizens.
    23 Aug 2010, 05:41 PM Reply Like
  • ts627
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    If you want control over what the govenrment spends,vote. You don't have to be highly informed get just somewhat informed and thats the problem.Voter thurout in a "free society" should be 80+ percent at all levels city-county-state-country period.
    Thomas
    23 Aug 2010, 07:11 PM Reply Like
  • RunForrestRun
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    Yes, thats the idea. Nevertheless, various democratic (little "d") reforms of our political system would break the strangle hold that the two parties (corp. and corp. lite) currently have and result in a broader range of ideas which would give the people choices/policies they can support. We can be hopeful that this would lead to not only more voters but more importantly greater public involvement in the democratic process which would lend a more "legit" status to our government.
    23 Aug 2010, 08:46 PM Reply Like
  • thopaine
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    Please define what you mean when you use the word"politician"?
    Are we not all "politicians"?
    25 Aug 2010, 09:30 AM Reply Like
  • dilbertjr
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    Ever try looking at items? You wouldnt believe how much in a grocery store comes from Canada. I changed brands of soap, shampoo, oreo's, etc. That is the way to reduce the trade deficit. And, pay in cash to take away 2% from the banks. ATM's are a wonderful thing.
    23 Aug 2010, 05:44 PM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    Don't boycott Canada, that's where I live.

     

    The problem with trade is that there is so much government subsidization from exporting countries like China and such great disparities in the regulations that govern competing economies. Countries like the U.S., Canada, Australia etc have a hard time matching the emerging economies unless it is in regards to natural resources, which of course can't be manufactured like a digital camera can.
    23 Aug 2010, 05:51 PM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    @dilbert

     

    I will also add, don't boycott Canada because they buy OUR products. If not for trade with Canada, my company would already be gone, as would the jobs for my employees.

     

    Canada has an oppressive tax structure and their standard of living closely mirrors our own.

     

    Trade with countries that are similar to ours is a positive thing, trade with the third world is what is killing us.

     

    I hope that you didn't switch to products that say, "Distributed by American Company." What I found when I called the companies (like Mott's Apple Juice and Kraft Mac 'n Cheese) is that 1, they don't like telling you where it is made (else it would be on the damn label) and 2, it is primarily Asia and Mexico.

     

    Yumm!
    25 Aug 2010, 02:57 PM Reply Like
  • Jason Tillberg
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    Coach pocket book made in China: $200

     

    Pocket book made by your neighbors daughter: $100

     

    which one do you buy?
    23 Aug 2010, 05:49 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    depends if I like my neighbor:)
    23 Aug 2010, 06:24 PM Reply Like
  • thopaine
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    Seems to me that the destroyer of our economy were mostly harvard MBA's who thought they were so brilliant their s==t did not stink,and hey sunk this country into a deep morass.And they stole billions in the process. Free market capitalisn run amok. They got HUGH tax relief from mr bush; the government reulators at SEC were moribund and wouldn't act in the face of evidence of Madoff's orgy.
    If anything, mr bush can take credit for getting govt out of the way, except of course until it came to the fat no bid govt contracts that he was famous for. Like what we got from that approach? Then lets have more of the same.
    23 Aug 2010, 10:45 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    No different than the Harvard guy we have in the WH now.
    He is beginning to make Bush look decent which I never thought was possible.
    24 Aug 2010, 12:28 AM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    Bush can't take credit for "getting government out of the way" at least for small businesses.

     

    Our regulatory BS increased considerably under Bush.

     

    BOTH sides and EVERY President have done this while lining the pockets of their cronies and mega-national elite.

     

    BTW, just as an aside, when the tax rate for those making $25k a year goes from 10% to 15%, think they are going to feel like the tax cuts were only for the rich? How about when granny has to ante up on her dividends? Think she will realize she is the "rich" the Democrats keep harping on?

     

    Bush tax cuts helped to keep the mirage of prosperity flowing. To reverse them right when the mirage is disappearing isn't going to be sunshine and roses for the masses.

     

    Enjoy your new higher taxes Mr. Richman.
    25 Aug 2010, 03:37 PM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    Damien should try this experiment on himself. Get nine of his friends together and find some remote uninhabited island somewhere and live there for 20 years. No outside contact. He and his friends can create and exchange what they create to their little hearts' content. Come back in 20 years and he can pontificate on what a fantastic wealth creating machine he's devised.

     

    P.s. I wonder if Damien is still driving around in one of those pieces of crap Detroit produced in the '70s. Or perhaps he's too young to have ever seen one?
    23 Aug 2010, 05:53 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    How about that guy that did living on mim wage and ate Mcdonalds for 30 days, we could get him to do it.
    23 Aug 2010, 06:25 PM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    You mean that guy at the Beijing #67 McDonald's? I don't think in Damien's vision of the world that that would be considered local. The Chinese only get rice noodles in the Grand Experiment in closed borders. Who's in charge of closing the oil and gas pipelines from Canada? We'll power the US with the hot air coming out of Damien - right?
    23 Aug 2010, 07:02 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    too funny:)
    23 Aug 2010, 07:17 PM Reply Like
  • Wall St. Cheat Sheet
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    If I had all the natural resources in the US, that would work. We have iron ore, forestry, fertile farming land, oil, natural gas, coal etc. There's a reason people waged major wars for this land.

     

    And of course, you didn't read the post. I didn't say we should stop trading with other countries. I said we should balance the wealth we export with the wealth we import. But clicking through and reading is hard these days ...

     

    The fact that people are so resistant to buying from their neighbors is another example of why we're in this catastrophe. But they are the same people who demand a raise at work or complain about stagnant wages. Do you not see why your wages aren't going up? The labor pool supply is growing faster than you can learn a new skill.

     

    We don't have to pay up for things that last more than 1-2 years and aren't a bunch of pressed cardboard with a fancy facade. But if we don't want to pay our neighbors for quality goods, then we're choosing to ironically enrich other countries which will ultimately figure out how to do our jobs too. That's the endgame in case you can't think that far ahead. That problem disappears if you buy local.
    23 Aug 2010, 07:49 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    I think your post was read and I think we all understand the concept however it just a theory that would not work.
    Not buying something from your neighbor maybe be part of the problem- but generally people want value and quality.
    My neighbor owns the local grocery store - Great guy; but 4.00 for a can of soup is too much for me to pay. I realize he is a small business man but he lives in a million dollar home and has a beach house. Which I am very happy for him and his family great people. I can't help it if I would prefer to go to the bigger grocery store when the soup is on sale and buy it there for 3/5.
    However every bedroom set we have was built and purchased in MA- as I wanted quality and value. Best furniture I have ever bought. Our kitchen cabinets(made by a man 3 streets away)
    I guess you can say I buy local when realistic and buy general when not.
    On a general consumer basis,
    I guess the question I have is who should make the social moral decision of which company is deserving and which is not of the american consumer?
    23 Aug 2010, 08:28 PM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    Yea, I read it. It's economic balderdash and an economic fascist's wet dream. We're in the state we're in largely because of an unwillingness to compete, and instead rely on government imposed or self-imposed "solutions" of the sort you advocate. How about proposing real solutions, like the overthrow of a government education bureaucracy that fails to educate citizens to compete in a global economy? Or a massive siphoning off of capital into entitlements, government bureaucracies, and government pension systems so the marginally-productive can retire in their 50's at peak earning years' pensions?
    23 Aug 2010, 08:39 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    How do you propose US citizens compete with people in China/Thailand/India that work for pocket change and food?
    23 Aug 2010, 09:12 PM Reply Like
  • thopaine
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    Take a cold shower, my friend.
    23 Aug 2010, 10:21 PM Reply Like
  • zorrow
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    Compete and win are two different things. I don't want the Redskins to "compete"---I want them to win. That means playing hardball and taking every advantage. If it means bribery--you do it. If it means industrial espionage--you do it. If it means military force and protectionism you do it. Other countries are doing it---but we're the nerds who never get the girls---because our leaders don't have any balls, and they are no longer nationalistic. Screw "competition". Winning is the only thing, and when this stupid generation gets a few hard knocks--maybe they'll learn. But its going to be a hard education.
    23 Aug 2010, 10:57 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    your telling someone to take a cold shower - get a grip
    24 Aug 2010, 12:15 AM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    Hi Xenophobe,

     

    the answer is the same way we compete with them here. I've worked in teams that are typically 70-95% foreign-born, mostly from India and Southeast Asia. And no, neither I nor they work for pocket change.
    24 Aug 2010, 01:11 PM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    Try playing the lottery then. Economics is not a zero-sum game. On a purely semantic point compete and win aren't opposites, and aren't contradictory.
    24 Aug 2010, 01:28 PM Reply Like
  • zorrow
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    If you push against a rock but it doesn't move; have you done any useful work?
    24 Aug 2010, 09:24 PM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    @ Wall Street

     

    I mention this insanity all the times and usually only receive blank stares.

     

    We spend our money/foodstamps buying foreign food, then lament the fact we only have minimum wage retail jobs to choose from.

     

    We invest in firms that are actively moving American jobs offshore, then lament the fact our kids have $100k in college bills and no jobs.

     

    We demand "free education" for all, and lament the fact that the level of education has dropped to absorb those that CAN'T use the education.

     

    We demand MORE protections, regulations and rules for our employers, then demand more benefits and wages, all the while buying based on the lowest price.

     

    Total insanity and sadly, I think around 80% of our country (both rich and poor) actively believe that natural laws can be circumvented with positive results.
    25 Aug 2010, 03:41 PM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    @KC

     

    You neglect the other costs too:

     

    China makes up their own quality "testing" no QS, TC, or ISO for them. (BTW, in fasteners it has proven, time and time again that China LIES, but US manufacturers are still held to the standard).

     

    China doesn't have a REAL cost to employers of OSHA, EPA, DOL, or IRS. As many of the Chinese exporters are actually co-ops between the Chinese government & our mega-corps, think they pay taxes?

     

    China doesn't have unions demanding six paid weeks off, 20 + days sick leave and $30 an hour to install a bolt.

     

    China doesn't allow other countries to dump products below the cost of manufacture to corner the market.

     

    China taxes the living hell out of our products if they are NOT resources being used to make something to sell back to us.

     

    List goes on and on.

     

    We can't compete with that, no matter the wages.
    25 Aug 2010, 03:46 PM Reply Like
  • Jackson999
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    Maybe companies will stop outsourcing/offshoring work so that they can increase their value to their shareholders and help the executive level pocket more cash?

     

    And while you are dreaming...
    23 Aug 2010, 05:55 PM Reply Like
  • User 164475
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    look for the usa label when u buy, it helps everybody and if the politicians can stop spending we would have a surplus
    23 Aug 2010, 06:07 PM Reply Like
  • Eighthman
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    Living in a small town, it never fails to amaze me how lazy or detached local business frequently is. Contractors who don't return calls, store owners who act like they're doing you a favor, service industries that need to be proded and so on.

     

    And big stores? Why does anyone shop at Target or K mart if there's a Walmart to go to? Same crap cheaper and less driving.
    23 Aug 2010, 06:12 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    I live in a small town too - Love the local lumber/hardware store - They are great but If I am buying Step 2 for the lawn it's tough to pay an extra 10 dollars just because the are local.
    I will buy many other things like paint and tools but bigger more costly items I would rather go to Costco or HD.
    I am not sure if that is good or bad - I buy some stuff from the little guy and then some from the big guys but I think HD and Costco are american companies but not 100% sure. Either way, I could not tell you where scotts is made?
    23 Aug 2010, 06:38 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    I agree, Ace hardware is an exception, they bend over backwards and I have no problem paying a bit more there as such. Local farmers market; not so much. They usually try stealing from you one way or another, hope the extra dollar was worth losing my business. That's why I am a "gloom and doomer" as the a lot of SA contributors put it; let the biz's that are half assing it go belly up and be replaced by ones that actually deserve their customers' business.
    23 Aug 2010, 09:18 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    Very true - I love Ace, It's funny the local farm stand, when I asked if they grew their berries they told me they were imported.
    23 Aug 2010, 10:16 PM Reply Like
  • thopaine
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    Why are you still wasting fresh water, which we don't have an abundance of,on grass that needs cutting weekly-electric mower,or noisy gas one?
    Chemical fertilizer to run off into the gutters and streams? Sure why not. Poisons to kill the green that looks different from a blade of grass? Certainly.Any trash to the landfill,eg empty poison containers? why not.this is america.
    23 Aug 2010, 10:26 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    Get a life, you have to be kidding right?
    With all the problems in the world and the economy your going to attack me for taking care of my house......when so many people don't.
    Makes a lot of sense. How about any park you have been to? Have you ever gone to a baseball/football game? It's magic green there.... too funny! your earthy green rhetoric is too funny.
    I suppose we should never water a lawn again........
    I have well water it's great, no water bill and we have loads of water! - and yes like millions of americans we treat our lawn. Grubs really make it look ugly as do weeds and my husband would never have that.
    Don't push your BS to me.
    23 Aug 2010, 11:59 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    You did hit the nail on the head this is america and we still can choose:) How much do you think the government spends on Fert. and mowing ????? HMMMMM
    24 Aug 2010, 12:00 AM Reply Like
  • Offline_A
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    well.. maybe we should focus on reducing our manufacturing and administrative cost rather than ‘buy local’. If there are minimal regulations, lower taxes, no govt subsidies on housing or education to reflect true cost, comparable energy policy as other countries.. Then the market will adjust by itself.. if our housing weren’t expensive, if our energy were cheap, if our property, state , federal , capital taxes are low than our product will be lower as well.. In addition, scrap this globalization unless the playing fields are same i.e. same labor, environmental and other regulations are the same for the product we share. That’s all we need.
    23 Aug 2010, 06:15 PM Reply Like
  • thopaine
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    Your final point was well take.
    The real advantage to foreign manufatures is that they don't need to worry like we do about pesky details like proper disposal of pollutants.They just let fly into the air and water. And workplace safety rules like hearing protectors, hard hats, gloves, steel toed shoes,lunch break,living wage,etc.
    The playing field needs leveling !
    23 Aug 2010, 10:31 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    What if I buy my stuff local from the farmer and he buys something from china, I guess the money may not always stay local.
    24 Aug 2010, 12:14 AM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    So now your an expert on manufacturing standards in other countries.
    Your knowledge is so vast. I am very impressed
    24 Aug 2010, 12:18 AM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    Buying locally grown, and made, food and produce not only helps create jobs for your community.

     

    It also PAYS the taxes for schools, cops and firemen. When Walmart comes to town, they get your tax officials to give them an out (another reason they crush competition - completely unfair playing field).

     

    Take it another step farther quit eating at chain restaurants (anyone notice that McDs no longer uses American beef? I didn't think so).

     

    Americans have been brainwashed and don't understand the difference between being cheap and frugal.

     

    I wish more would wake up and realize their own decisions are helping the meganationals bankrupt our country.

     

    But, I'm a realist and know they won't.
    23 Aug 2010, 06:17 PM Reply Like
  • Paul H. M.
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    If it's sold in your local area, than the retailer is marking it up regardless, and so most of the profit is made at home, no matter where the product was produced.

     

    When things are imported, it creates job for shipping people and others. No matter who you buy from, one human benefits over another. So you might as well be rewarding the human that gives you the best product at the best price.

     

    I don't consider one human more valuable based on what nation they were born under. So if Chinese or Japanese person is producing a higher quality product at a better price, why reward the lazy human just because he was born in America? One human is not more valuable than another, no matter where they were born. So reward the best man, no matter where he may live.

     

    After all, if you start rewarding people based on their location, they will make inferior products because they won't have to compete with people in other locations.
    23 Aug 2010, 06:30 PM Reply Like
  • davidbdc
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    Could you provide some more information regarding McD's no longer using American beef? As far as I'm aware McD's locally sources the vast majority of their food whenever possible. Thats true around the world, not just in the USA.
    23 Aug 2010, 07:36 PM Reply Like
  • davidbdc
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    I went to the McD's website and here is their comment about rumors about not buying American beef. Should note that I'm not a huge McD's fan (was when I was younger) but I'm not opposed to the occasional double quarter pounder :)

     

    Dispelling Rumors about McDonald’s Beef

     

    Response to Chain Email

     

    October 2009

     

    Dear McDonald’s Customers, U.S. Staff, Owner/Operators, and Suppliers,

     

    Recently many of you have seen a chain email regarding McDonald’s beef purchasing practices. The email contains myths about McDonald's sourcing outside the country. I wanted to provide you with background on the emails as well as share the facts.
    The first email on this topic surfaced in 2002 and it has resurfaced again in 2005, 2007, 2008, and again in 2009. Interestingly enough, this email seems to be recycled every two to three years and is remarkably similar to the original that circulated in 2002.

     

    We know this email is a hoax. Our customers can trust us to provide them with food that is freshly prepared and made with real, high quality ingredients. We source from the most trusted industry-leading suppliers and serve 100% USDA-inspected beef.

     

    Due to a well-documented shortage of lean beef in the U.S. and to meet the needs of our customers, we do purchase a relatively small percentage of high-quality imported lean beef from New Zealand and Australia. We do this to supplement to our domestic beef purchases.

     

    McDonald's remains one of the largest purchasers of U.S. beef, and where possible, our preference is to always purchase locally and domestically.

     

    The alleged “source” of the hoax email is Dr. David Forrest at Texas A&M. He recently provided us written verification that he is not associated in any way with the contents of the chain email. You can view his letter by using the link to the right.

     

    As you can see, we are using mcdonalds.com to tell our McDonald’s story. To the right you’ll see an application which allows you to send a link to this page to your friends, family, and colleagues who have sent you the chain email hoax. We appreciate your support in helping us set the record straight.

     

    Thank you.

     

    Sincerely,
    Dan Gorsky
    Sr. Vice President North America Supply Chain
    23 Aug 2010, 07:50 PM Reply Like
  • nyuszika45
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    This would work well IF the money stayed local - but with the overarching FED and state governments, it doesn't. This is the deal with the devil constructed years ago to, theoretically, pay for the federal education jobsworths, if I recall correctly - but I've been out of the country for a long time. However, I can't imagine that funds flowing to Washington suddenly would stop or actually reverse in meaningful denominations...
    23 Aug 2010, 09:09 PM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    Yes same quality.

     

    Have you seen how thin clothing has become?

     

    Have you kept track of the faked quality reports?

     

    Did you bury your dog from the poisoned food imported?

     

    China does NOT play on a level field.

     

    And, btw, the trade is not "free" my products cannot be imported into China without HUGE tariffs being levied on them. Yet the Chinese made products are imported here with NO tariff.

     

    Believe what you wish and ignore your lying eyes (and the foodstamp/poverty percentages), "free" trade is flipping GREAT for America.
    25 Aug 2010, 03:59 PM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    You are right, it is an assumption.

     

    An assumption based on the FACT they quit touting, "from American Beef" in their ads in packages.

     

    As Walmart became the country's largest importer, the "Buy American" ad campaign went away (so did the Big 3 automakers as they off shored their suppliers).

     

    My feeling is this, TODAY with record unemployment and nationalism/protectionism rearing its head, if McDs was still using American beef they would be PROMOTING it.

     

    For goodness sake, my company promotes the heck out of it because it brings us business.

     

    McDonalds isn't, so I drew a conclusion. Try calling corporate and playing the fun game of "I don't know, why does it matter, we use products from many vendors" that they will throw at you.

     

    Took me three phone calls and multiple people before I finally got Mott's to admit that the juice I was buying at Costco was imported from China (but made with both American and Chinese apples).
    25 Aug 2010, 04:02 PM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    Then McDonald's marketing team is missing out on a HUGE positive by NOT marking their packages and emphasizing their it in their ads.

     

    How about chicken, do they say anything about that?
    25 Aug 2010, 04:04 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    I just think it is a fantasy to think that this would work-
    It is imposible to know where something truly comes from and where they employee people.
    Dont buy an Iphone or probably any cell phones- I cannot think of one that is made in America.
    I do not look at China as evil, I think americans have lost their completive edge because toooooooo many americans EXPECT to get something for nothing and very rarely want to work hard to innovate and compete. This starts with our kids.
    How about the international companies employ americans-
    Toyota employs quite a few people here in the US? Coach while maybe they make their purses somewhere else how many americans do they employ?
    Whose is capable of discerning which companies is worthy of our precious dollars?
    I have no problem using my credit card - I get benefits while a 30 float on money for zero since I pay balances in full. If I use cash, it is not as if I get the item cheaper and my credit cards provide me protection against defects and bad retailers; while assisting with returns. AXP is great for this it is amazing; my Whirlpool dryer broke and they offered to fix almost 3 years after my purchase....they extend your manf. warranty by a year.
    What kind of washer would you buy? I cannot think of one made in the US?
    23 Aug 2010, 06:21 PM Reply Like
  • Bozerdog
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    The lion eats the gazelle, and most often the slow, stupid or injured one. Doesn't matter how much government intervention takes place in the free market, the lion has to eat. If a locally produced product can perform as advertised, be marketed well and sold at a competitive price point it will roam free on the plains for decades. If it doesn't work, no one knows about it or cost too much there is a lion there ready to pounce. God, any God, bless the USA.
    23 Aug 2010, 06:52 PM Reply Like
  • Ohrama
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    Woh, that is what I am already doing. I pay the electrician, plumber, cleaner, government run unions and their workers the government mandated salaries in this country. If our folks learn to make iPhone etc. I could include them also in that list!
    23 Aug 2010, 06:53 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    Funny if you look up Whirlpool they say they are an american company- the Whirlpool washer and dryer I just replaced with another Whirlpool W/D were made in china bought at Costco.
    When I called Whirlpool to inquire about my broken dryer and warranty they could not have cared less - told me anything manmade breaks and since it was 6 months after the warranty, I was out of luck.
    GREAT AMERICAN COMPANY ???? oh yeah THAT IMPORTS FROM CHINA
    Amex offered to take care the repair or replacement because I used their card to buy it but ultimately Costco replaced it. Now those are great AMERICAN Companies.
    23 Aug 2010, 06:58 PM Reply Like
  • Rhianni32
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    This is a good point.
    How many American companies have factories overseas?
    How many foreign companies have factories here in the USA? Buying the second product would help more for keeping money local right?

     

    Also, its hard to know what is actually made here in the US. "Distributed by" can be quickly misread when you are looking for what state or country is listed on a product.
    24 Aug 2010, 08:24 AM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    It is called being an informed consumer.

     

    A few years back I started getting pissed because the stupid nut (steel hex nut) I manufacture HAS to be marked as to country of origin, but the food I put in my daughter's mouth doesn't.

     

    So, I got real curious and actually did some research.

     

    What I discovered scared the hell out of me and changed my food shopping habits dramatically.

     

    So, there is the rub, doing the right thing requires WORK. Something this country seems to think is beneath us.

     

    And yes, I know how "busy" everybody is, heck just a few weeks ago I caught an article about the fact that more than an hour per person, per workday is spent screwing around on the internet.

     

    Insanity. All I know that is once China imports killed my dog, I took notice. Then when they poisoned their own babies, I realized the insanity of saving a few pennies and buying Great Value brand.
    25 Aug 2010, 04:08 PM Reply Like
  • rick flair
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    man if it isn't mal-educated socialists doing in america, its mal-educated mercantilist fantasizers......as a libertarian, i couldn't care less about the socialist fantasy called 'america' and have two words for people who want to control things thru voting...F\/K off, i hate you.
    23 Aug 2010, 07:44 PM Reply Like
  • hayekvonfriedman
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    Are you kidding:

     

    The first step in fixing our economy is for the economy destroyers, that would be the government, to get out of the way, lower my taxes and stop the transfer of wealth from the savers, investors, and producers in our society, to the consumer, decrease the regulation in my industry and quit debauching the currency.
    The hypocrisy of do-gooders who want all of us to pay more so that somebody else, the local retailer whose business model is antiquated or out of step, can survive. Brother can you spare a dime?

     

    Define local: is it from my town, my county, my state, etc. The best product at the best price! Darwinian capitalism will win in the end, or a socialist statist mediocrity will doom us all.
    23 Aug 2010, 07:53 PM Reply Like
  • zorrow
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    "Government get out of the way" what a stupid mantra. A nation's only as good as its people. This the best your generation can come up with? Glad you guys didn't fight Hitler. What a bunch of losers.
    23 Aug 2010, 11:14 PM Reply Like
  • positivethoughts
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    I imported my wife from China, so I am not totally against importing from overseas.
    23 Aug 2010, 08:00 PM Reply Like
  • Scootger
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    Dems going to keep Bush tax structure in tact for a while. Everyone go out to dinner.
    23 Aug 2010, 08:19 PM Reply Like
  • SlingWing9
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    I'm fairly convinced that political malfeasance is only part of the problem. My opinion is that our education system is far more at fault. A child in the U.S. must work against unbelievable odds to push to make a screwed up system work for them. Parents must be equally involved, along with local government, to clear a path for our nation's most talented. Nearly everything is one kind of roadblock or another. Very few parents have the time, the connections, the money, or the inclination to make this happen.

     

    What does our nation expect to achieve when it goes to such extremes at making it difficult for a child to achieve their potential. We should build on our nation's upcoming talent, show our pride, not extinguish it.
    23 Aug 2010, 10:14 PM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    Funny thing, it is the same GOVERNMENT controlling education, or am I mistaken that the federal education board is the one calling many of the shots.

     

    Yes US education is abysmmal and I feel it is due to TWO things. Non-bending labor union rules that keep hundreds of teachers on payroll that can no longer teach children, and believing in the fantasy that every American is CAPABLE of being educated.

     

    We spend more on the bottom 5% of IQs, then the top 5% (about 10 times more), and if we would be honest can humans that disabled ever USE the education for anything?

     

    High school grads, even the best of them, are stumped when it comes to things like showing up for work on time, personal vs. paid time and balancing a check book.

     

    How can you let the federal government off the hook? They control it, like they control nearly everything in the US.
    25 Aug 2010, 04:13 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    Complete agree.
    I feel bad for disabled children or kids that simply don't want to spend the time an effort to learn. Over 70% of our school budget is spent on the lower end of the spectrum educating to the lower mean. Nothing is done for the higher end kids. My son has an IQ over 130 and was tested at 6, I donated money to the school so they would implement a gifted program. If your child has a learning disability they get an IEP plan if they are "gifted" they get nothing.
    It's sad but we dumbing down our society. Instead reeducating displaced workers and the government working with the schools that they are currently killing ; they just choose to extend unemployment benefits. There is no real plan for the future and that is scary.
    25 Aug 2010, 06:08 PM Reply Like
  • thopaine
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    The buy local movement has already started in the food biz. This is only natural as the food is cleaner and fresher.Farmers markets now are held in many cities daily,if at different locations.
    Yes it cost a little more, but does it really, if the money stays in the local economy? I think not.
    When the neighbor waits til after dark to slip into his garage in his foreign made auto because he doesn't want the neighbors to see it, we will have arrived !
    23 Aug 2010, 10:19 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    When will you realize many foreign cars are made in the US.
    We will have arrived when america can compete and win. When we make the products the world wants and are proud to showcase.
    How do you feel that GM is opening a plant, I think in China.
    Government motors building cars in China by the chinese.....ironic.
    So glad your not my neighbor.
    24 Aug 2010, 12:10 AM Reply Like
  • Tom Au, CFA
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    "Globalization" is good in theory, but not always in practice.
    23 Aug 2010, 11:32 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    Good night all, it's been a fun debate:)
    24 Aug 2010, 12:28 AM Reply Like
  • Swass
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    I would love to by local or American made products. However, we are simply not able to compete in pricing. Minimum wage, for example, has made unskilled labor unaffordable, even in comparison to skilled labor in developing economies. Quite simply, government made it impossible to manufacture products for domestic consumption in a way that is cost-competitive with the rest of the world. I don't blame people for buying Chinese-made goods -- they're cheaper. If we don't like it, and I don't, blame government and see that they eliminate barriers for domestic manufacturing.
    24 Aug 2010, 12:44 AM Reply Like
  • Cincinnatus
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    You've made a key point. American workers are priced out of the market by government at all levels. My wife is starting a second business and once Obamacare passed that sealed the deal for going to China for contract manufacturing, rather than hire a workforce here, or trying to locally contract it out. With all the federal, state, county, and city income, payroll, transit system, business license, etc. taxes that get piled on it was already looking nearly impossible to even get it off the ground. Obamacare and all the uncertainty surrounding it killed off what little chance was left.

     

    Folks are in deep denial to think that the burden that government places on the private sector in the US is sustainable much longer or that foreign governments will continue to finance this delusion.
    24 Aug 2010, 01:42 PM Reply Like
  • rick flair
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    voting is absolute denial. if you think voting will ever make a difference to your life, your completely child-like.
    24 Aug 2010, 02:24 PM Reply Like
  • TeresaE
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    Then vote anti-incumbent.

     

    All one has to do is look around them to see what allowing the status quo to continues brings us.

     

    I vote anti-incumbent at ALL levels.

     

    If they are IN office now, they ARE the problem.

     

    Not voting means that NOTHING changes as the incumbents always mobilize their special interests to keep their own jobs.

     

    Something to think about.
    25 Aug 2010, 05:01 PM Reply Like
  • talbano
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    I will be voting anti incumbent. I thought I was voting along those lines when I cast my vote for Obama and now I am so disappointed.
    25 Aug 2010, 06:10 PM Reply Like
  • nyuszika45
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    There was once a time when all Americans believed that their vote counted - and, indeed, it did. There was also a time when the mercantilism and corporatism was less obvious and controlling. My best guess for this time was before 1963, when everyone saw the broadcast cost of betraying those who think themselves in control.

     

    Taking back control of the US is not an easy matter. It might happen through the vote, as that is the only legal means we people have to redress the sham representation we have openly had for over 50 years. However short of illegal means, voting is still the only means we have to redress this situation.

     

    The only problem with the legal solution is that the mercantilists and corporatists operate barely within the laws they have helped craft to allow them to operate - and they will still operate "legally" even if we elect wholly ethical and moral representatives. What can happen when one gets to the seat of national corruption is merely falling in line with the nature of that cesspit, and one suspects that can happen accidentally or, in some cases, purposefully as "their" path is the road to more economic prosperity and serving the people is not necessarily a road filled with gold.

     

    Finding people willing to forego personal enrichment and embellished arrogance is not as easy as you might think; which is why it is so very easy (and often correct) to be cynical about the process. I think it is apparent that there isn't a light shaft of difference between the parties, as corruption and being part of the "ruling class" makes for conjoined objectives. Working for the people is an entirely different posture and not one inherent in being part of the "ruling class".

     

    We won't be out of this mess until the "ruling class" isn't.
    26 Aug 2010, 12:35 PM Reply Like
  • zorrow
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    "government" made it "impossible" to manufacture products for domestic consumption in a way that is cost-competitive with the rest of the world. I don't blame people for buying Chinese-made goods -- they're cheaper. If we don't like it, and I don't, "blame government" and see that they eliminate barriers for domestic manufacturing.

     

    More great solution oriented thinkning from the loser's lounge.
    24 Aug 2010, 10:35 PM Reply Like
  • rick flair
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    are you all listening and rereading what you just said? think about it for an hour, very deeply, try desperately to remember the last 40 years, and then reply....did it make ANY, i repeat ANY difference which party you voted for won? if you come up with any other answer than NO, you need to take a serious look at your mental ability to recall events and your understanding of present and past. its that simple.
    25 Aug 2010, 08:23 PM Reply Like
  • Scootger
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    Middle class is becoming lower middle class, basically lower class is growing, stll, nothing new. This will continue until a large asteroid hits our planet. Get used to it. Bring on the thumbs downs!

     

    And all you pals of mine talking about voting above, voting matters a ton. Just wondering did anyone here vote for Schwarzenegger? LOL. If Wall Street didnt take down the financial system, and Cali with it, he would have been president. Sick thing if he runs he still has a shot on the "Everyone rides the new trains" campaign. If anyone would like to purchase my vote please email me with a serious bid.
    25 Aug 2010, 08:36 PM Reply Like
  • zorrow
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    You know of course that Arnold can't run for president because he was not born in the USA. Austria is his birthplace.
    26 Aug 2010, 08:50 AM Reply Like
  • Scootger
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    There's no proof of that, all rumor. Bring in the right director and he was born in Tennessee. Smoke and Mirrors, anyone bidding on my vote? I am a better seller! I wish I could get a tax break to give it back.
    26 Aug 2010, 10:08 AM Reply Like
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