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Research In Motion (RIMM +4.7%) rallies as CEO Thorsten Heins tries to rally the faithful at...

Research In Motion (RIMM +4.7%) rallies as CEO Thorsten Heins tries to rally the faithful at RIM's developer conference. Heins promises carrier testing for BlackBerry 10 devices will begin next month (sales are due to begin in Q1), and shows off a feature called BlackBerry Hub, which aggregates e-mail, social networking content, and other time-sensitive data. He also claims RIM's subscriber base has risen by 2M in recent months to 80M (no doubt thanks to emerging markets) - analysts have been forecasting a decline. (live blog)
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  • pabcanc
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    Desperation does not beat careful calculation ...they are still heading
    down the road to disaster...The best speakers on the planet cannot
    sell roller skates to too many eskimos ..Turning this thing around
    would take another Steve Jobs...paul m sykes
    25 Sep 2012, 03:56 PM Reply Like
  • JM1964
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    Wow, what a surprising torrent of great news. It's shocking that the base grew to 80m users. BUY NOW, no question about it!!
    25 Sep 2012, 04:14 PM Reply Like
  • Robert Egloff
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    Bought yesterday - yummy :)
    26 Sep 2012, 10:45 AM Reply Like
  • wall23
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    they don't appear desperate to me, just focused.
    25 Sep 2012, 05:56 PM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    Agreed; they know what the problems are, and so they can, and probably will be solved.
    26 Sep 2012, 04:59 AM Reply Like
  • Herr Hansa
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    That is very low growth in comparison to the overall smartphone market growth. I think the important figures will need more details, such as whether the growth was in emerging markets through low margin devices.
    25 Sep 2012, 07:23 PM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    Not everyone sees "growth" as a necessity, and fewer still see a need for it to be continuous. Regrouping can be a good thing!
    26 Sep 2012, 05:02 AM Reply Like
  • pabcanc
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    These guys have the "super technology" now to be better than The iphone 5
    why are they not showing us ...anyone has a reasonable answer ?
    26 Sep 2012, 09:05 AM Reply Like
  • Robert Egloff
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    If they do, they are best served by keeping quiet for now... :)
    26 Sep 2012, 10:45 AM Reply Like
  • scott trader
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    they have kept quiet for two years and the stock shows it....yah keep it quiet...
    27 Sep 2012, 12:28 AM Reply Like
  • Ronin.
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    You guys do realize that any advantage that you perceive that BB10 has can be nullified by a mere OS update by Android or iOS, don't you? Things like improved multi-tasking is hardly a new idea, it is considered and discussed by all the major players, and right now the trade offs lead them down their current path....but everyone will have increased flexibility and expanded capabilities going forward....super technology? Other than the first iPhone which redefined the tech sector and launched the mobile wave of change, "super" is definitely hyperbole....
    27 Sep 2012, 02:04 AM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    That's very true, but who's to say the current CEO hasn't launched some new R&D initiatives; they have the cash, and must surely have realised that, in this game, it is dangerously stupid to have just one string to one's bow?
    27 Sep 2012, 08:48 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Ronin, perhaps failure can be found in RIM's pre-announcements of its hardware specifications, which, lately, are technically cutting edge when announced, but merely common by the time they are brought to market.

     

    But the multitasking capabilities of QNX which was designed ground up 2 decades ago precisely for this capability cannot be dismissed.

     

    BB10's issue is hardly technical adequacy, but the fact that it lacks the consumer oriented ecosystem of its competition and it's cachet has been diminished by years of bad press, mostly revolving its tardiness in adapting to the changing marketplace.

     

    By the way, I know a lot of people don't remember this, but the first iPhone was total and utter crap. Missing key features like cut and paste, poor phone quality, etc. It's 'miracle' was iTunes integration and a easy to use UI pretty much.

     

    Also, it hardly 'launched' anything, mostly it rode technical improvements that were being introduced into the marketplace. 3g, bluetooth, faster ARM processors, lithium batteries....
    27 Sep 2012, 09:36 AM Reply Like
  • pabcanc
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    There is allot more going on there inside than anyone could ever imagine..
    Focus is a word that is just used too loosely today...
    27 Sep 2012, 10:20 AM Reply Like
  • Ronin.
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    kmi,
    The first iPhone was crap only compared to today's phones...at the time it was eye opening. As with a lot of good ideas, after the fact, the solutions seem obvious.....everyone says "of course, it should be done this way", but before the way was shown, smartphones we're not so smart....

     

    That phone you think was crap permenantly altered the industry and redefined what a smartphone is....even RIM finally is following this path, late or not, they realized that people view their older style iPhones as more like feature phones now....they needed to evolve or they would have no chance at all....

     

    "mostly it rode technical improvements"
    Of course it did, just about all innovation and invention is comprised of previous technologies...that is always true....
    Did the first car maker invent wheels? Axels? seats?, cast iron? the combustion engine? When Edison invented the light bulb, did he also invent glass or wires?
    27 Sep 2012, 12:47 PM Reply Like
  • Herr Hansa
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    It's more about style and entertainment, than it is about specifications and technology. If the average user can look up things on the internet, play YouTube clips, movies, and games, then they are happy. Where BB10 is being geared is towards people for whom messaging and multitasking are very important. No matter how people spin that, the direction is a market niche, and not mainstream. Most mainstream smarthphone users have no real need to have a smartphone, other than it is perceived as being cool.

     

    Multitasking is too complicated on a smartphone for the average smartphone user, because it must be learned. It is far easier for users to find an icon and click on it, then finish what they are doing, find another icon, then click on that. Even the more power user orientated aspects of iOS are rarely used, because they are not obvious and intuitive. This is how most of the developed world has evolved; it's a damn good thing sabertooth tigers no longer roam the earth. ;)
    27 Sep 2012, 02:40 PM Reply Like
  • Ronin.
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    I guess we disagree Herr,
    I use smartphones, and not to be cool, I use it for organization, work communications, investing, as well as the usual other stuff....and I dont think that I am highly unusual a consumer....I keep my phone in a protective silicone case...hardly cool....just protective and very downplayed in it's appearance....

     

    Multitasking done well is easy and intuitive....I don't think that I know a windows user who doesn't easy utilize multitasking....I think that this will be a ubiquitous feature soon...yet, I agree with you that RIM is targeting a slightly different user than iPhone is....
    27 Sep 2012, 03:02 PM Reply Like
  • Herr Hansa
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    I do not consider you the average smartphone user. Most investors are more savvy than the average consumer. There are numerous studies and research that show this. How many years did VCRs and DVD players have a blinking "12:00" before the manufacturers figured out to put auto time setting into those devices.

     

    I remain unconvinced that multitasking on smartphones is what consumers really want. I suppose that makes me bearish on RIMM and MSFT, since they have chosen that direction. We will not really know until we see NOK sales figures, and then RIMM sales figures next year. Of course, if AAPL introduces multitasking in iOS 7, then everyone will want it. ;)
    27 Sep 2012, 03:08 PM Reply Like
  • Ronin.
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    I find it a hassle to constantly open and close stuff...I suppose it does depend on how familiar they are with tech....I'm not very good, but many things are intuitive enough or can easily be searched for to get answers....I like the iPad, and sometimes use the instant program switching to cut and paste things....but they need to improve this feature as it is currently clunky, discouraging its use....I hope iOS7 does it, because I need the feature....I might just go the Mac Air route though.....
    27 Sep 2012, 03:42 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    "The first iPhone was crap only compared to today's phones"

     

    What????!!!!

     

    Wow. You must not have been around at the time because that is complete and utter nonsense. For that matter, since I don't throw away my phones or find it interesting to sell them, I actually still have a IIg. Come play with it for a minute.

     

    Even after all the software upgrades the hardware is still terrible. I invite you to compare it from a usability perspective to the windowsMobile and Blackberries of the time. Your memory is certainly lacking.

     

    Permanently altered what industry? How did it redefine what a smartphone is? It was a poor excuse for a communication device, but an awesome media consumption product. In that manner, making media consumption a primary aspect of the smartphone world, it wasn't breaking new ground either.

     

    What -did- iPhone do that revolutionized the smartphone industry? It didn't do multitasking, or cut and paste so that's not it. It had poor reception and no replaceable battery or removable storage, so that's not it either. I'll tell you: it made the large screen touchscreen the de facto standard interface. And it did it better than everyone else. In fact it took years for the competition to catch up to the quality of the iPhone's screen and UI, YEARS, and it could be argued the typing experience is still better on the iPhone today.

     

    And guess what? It did it when capacitative screens were just entering the marketplace. In fact, what Apple did well, and indeed better than everyone else, up until the 4s, was take new innovations and developments in technology and meld them into a desirable piece of hardware. That's why Apple has virtually no FRAND IP, because it never developed the baseline products, it just improved upon them.

     

    A lot of what Apple did was come from behind improvements, and I give it credit when it's due, but to claim that the original iPhone was ground breaking or anything other that utter crap is abject BS. That's one of the reasons why the 3g was introduced so quickly after the 2g.
    27 Sep 2012, 04:54 PM Reply Like
  • Ronin.
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    Kmi,
    I was around...and by reading your response, you totally ignored my point about how innovation works, as well as the examples I gave you about the lightbulb and the automobile ....apple didn't have to invent capacitive screens.....If you have no idea about how the smartphone and tablet industries were revolutionized, and you question that, then I don't have much more to say to you....other than "wow".....you don't want better understanding....just the challenge of arguing....not worth my time or effort...let's both not bother then...
    27 Sep 2012, 05:12 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    I'm a huge multitasker and find iOS to be frustrating in its multitasking, and personally I find Android sloppy and clunky at it as well. I enjoy the cleanliness of the user experience on Blackberry but utterly despise its browser. For that matter I love the multitasking and browser on the Playbook and find the experience far superior to the Nexus7 or iPad. But hate the limited access to apps it has.

     

    To take it a step further, tabbed browsing, and cut-and-paste on all the touchscreen devices is something I find utterly painful, and always end up being far more productive on a desktop. I've spent time with Android in keyboard/mouse config - and hate it - but not much with the iPad in that manner, and I bought the Playbook keyboard but never used it. I don't mind Android multitasking but find Blackberry's version to be superior.

     

    I'm personally most looking to migrate my tablet experience to windows8, but then I've been a windows tablet use since long before iPad1. The weight and poor battery life were never that big a deal for my usage scenario.
    27 Sep 2012, 05:24 PM Reply Like
  • Herr Hansa
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    Microsoft Surface looks interesting, and might be a viable laptop replacement for some people. The other development coming next year is Mozilla FireFox Mobile OS.

     

    http://seekingalpha.co...

     

    If mobile browsing becomes more important, then this type of development might be competition. However, the Mozilla effort is intended to target the low end.
    27 Sep 2012, 05:30 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    The idea of the Mozilla effort is compelling - because let's face it browsing is one of the more important smartphone features and its a gateway feature to almost everything, dropbox, skydrive, google drive, maps, etc.

     

    But in the end, it continues to be a limited use case scenario at best. It won't output to multiple screens, it likely will have handicapped printing abilities like the other mobile OS, etc.

     

    I like Linux's performance, and hope that Ubuntu gets its act straight and gets Ubuntu on a phone (they've done it already just not commercialized) but I don't care to take the time to learn the command line and it seems command line will always be a part of the linux experience.

     

    At the end of the day, when I look at the technology universe, I see a lot of options, but only one that allows me to function uncompromised.
    27 Sep 2012, 05:41 PM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    Excellent article; thank you!

     

    So many options; if only I could afford one...
    28 Sep 2012, 09:05 AM Reply Like
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