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Ilari Nurmi, Nokia's (NOK) VP of product marketing and the exec responsible for its smartphone...

Ilari Nurmi, Nokia's (NOK) VP of product marketing and the exec responsible for its smartphone strategy, has left the company for unknown reasons. Nurmi's departure comes as speculation grows CEO Stephen Elop will get axed next year if Nokia's Windows Phone 8 sales disappoint, and 3 months after chairman Risto Siilasmaa talked about having a "contingency plan" (believed by many to be Android) should WP8 fail to meet expectations.
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  • techy46
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    (Reuters) - A senior Nokia executive in charge of product marketing has left the company, after a launch event last month for the company's new Lumia smartphones disappointed investors.

     

    Sounds like accountability at work by Elop, plain and simple

     

    http://reut.rs/PF58lt
    5 Oct 2012, 01:49 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    agreed, the marketing and announcement was plain terrible. People like the phone hate how it was presented plain and simple.
    5 Oct 2012, 01:51 PM Reply Like
  • jc9998
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    The release on Seeking Alpha says that this person was in charge of their "smartphone strategy", though as you point out, the Reuters story says he/she was also in charge of marketing. I hope it is marketing. Even their last ad gently mocking the iPhone 5 was really weird - you have a phone that blows away other phones with their camera, has NFC, city lens, wireless charging, together with legendary Nokia quality, and you emphasize the COLOUR?

     

    Meanwhile, Nokia is just going with one carrier in the U.S. (AT&T)and it looks like the same for Canada (Rogers). If that is the case, that is a firing offence (perhaps why this person was let go?).

     

    I personally like them going with WP8 (WP7 has received excellent reviews from what I've seen, and WP8 sound like it will be even better), but clearly Microsoft doesn't consider it to be a monogamous relationship. That's ok, but then why couldn't Nokia have done the same - similar phone but running on Android as well as WP8. I'm no techie, so maybe I'm out to lunch on that, but I don't see why they had to go with only one platform. Doesn't seem like Samsung and HTC do that. Another strategy issue. All of the features that the 920 has could have worked on Android as well, and then they wouldn't be betting on having to convince users to switch platforms in order to buy Nokia.

     

    There's one other issue that is concerning me - the "perception becomes reality" issue. I do see some commentators on Seeking Alpha and even in the product reviews dissing Nokia. The criticism is never directed at the new Nokia phones directly, which by all accounts have received rave reviews, but rather comments like how long they are going to survive, too bad it's a Windows phone, and now even that Microsoft is going to bring out their own phone to compete (if they did, bye bye Samsung, HTC and Nokia products for Windows platforms - I can't believe MSFT would be that stupid). If enough people think the platform is going to fail, or the company itself is going to disappear, then that perception can become reality because of the perception. It almost arouses the conspiracy theorist in me - are there people out there who want it to fail, but because they can't diss the phone, they just say that "no one buys Nokia anymore" or "too bad it's a Windows phone". Nokia needs to convince people that they will be around. Hope they do get someone who knows how to market, and hope they go with more than one carrier!

     

    long NOK
    5 Oct 2012, 02:26 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    "I'm no techie, so maybe I'm out to lunch on that, but I don't see why they had to go with only one platform."

     

    They would have to maintain an extra developers' team, just to make sure all Nokia programs would be as good in Android as they are on Windows Phone. That costs time and money...
    Also, making sure the hardware would work just as well on Android would've mean yet another software team... and we all know programming for Android is a living hell.
    5 Oct 2012, 04:50 PM Reply Like
  • Mike_Grasbie
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    Microsoft pays Nokia $1 billion to work exclusively on Windows Phone.
    5 Oct 2012, 10:31 PM Reply Like
  • alphaRAJU
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    If it's the guy who was stuttering during the presentation, no big loss. He was terrible at presenting.
    6 Oct 2012, 02:23 PM Reply Like
  • pureview8
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    Come on Seeking Alpha, you couldn't even get the canned guy's title right. If I were in charge, I would have canned you for "title-gate" :=)
    7 Oct 2012, 08:05 PM Reply Like
  • ssnlive
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    Must be the OIS video mishap caused the termination.
    5 Oct 2012, 02:20 PM Reply Like
  • wpdsr001
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    Now wait a minute, are people looking at the phone or the operating system. You can put an operating system on any phone but not every phone is a good phone. I am looking at Nokia making an excellent phone, they always have. That will sell the phone.
    5 Oct 2012, 02:31 PM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    How's that? iOS?
    5 Oct 2012, 11:33 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    the article says a marketing exec left, and he should leave btw. But why diss Elop ?
    5 Oct 2012, 03:04 PM Reply Like
  • 1mp1r3t4
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    This alarming bit of incomplete news left out the end of the news report, which would otherwise clear up any misguided disinformation the report would wish to instill. Here it is, "A senior Nokia executive in charge of product marketing has left the company, after a launch event last month for the company's new Lumia smartphones disappointed investors." Evidently, the reason for Nurmi's departure is not unknown and the innuendo on Mr. Elop's future completely unfounded.

     

    Get it straight and don't try to confuse the readers who in the end want to make money with investment news. False news reports steer everyone away from valid investment opportunities. You should be ashamed of posting these incomplete reports.
    5 Oct 2012, 03:07 PM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
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    I'd suggest taking a closer look at the article before throwing insults around. In particular, read the following lines:

     

    http://reut.rs/TaADtT

     

    << Ilari Nurmi, who was vice president of product marketing and responsible for the company's smartphone strategy, confirmed to Reuters in an email that he recently left the Finnish phone company.

     

    He did not make clear whether he left of his own accord, and the company declined to comment on the circumstances of his departure. >>
    5 Oct 2012, 03:11 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    Eric, and your right, the article has everything to do with Ilari Nurmi but nothing to do with the job security of Mr Elop. I think 1mp was referring to that in his post.

     

    regards.
    5 Oct 2012, 03:23 PM Reply Like
  • Dantes_Will
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    1mp1r3t4

     

    This was a poorly written summary with 1 half fact and 3 pieces of speculative gossip.

     

    An accurate summary would be "Nokia marketing executive responsible for smartphone strategies has left the company of his own accord and declined to comment on the circumstances."

     

    But, of course SA knows actual facts doesn't grab headlines like fluff gossip right?
    5 Oct 2012, 03:28 PM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
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    Yes - the Elop part is background commentary on the pressure Nokia execs are under. If Nurmi was kicked out or pressured to resign (and regardless of what anyone says here, the Reuters article doesn't make clear whether or not he was), it's probably a sign that other Nokia execs are also on a short leash. And there's already been a lot of commentary about Elop's job being on the line.
    5 Oct 2012, 03:38 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    I am sure Elop will have to answer to shareholders sooner or later. But with a successful roll out of wp8 things can change in a heartbeat.
    5 Oct 2012, 03:44 PM Reply Like
  • pollyserial
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    As an occasional trader in NOK I have to say, SA Market Currents seem consistently to have a tenor that does not favor NOK; to a certain extent that's understandable, as NOK is in a heap of trouble. But, it does seem that someone among the editors has an axe to grind. (At the moment, I'm happy about that, as I'm looking for further downside before I make another play on it.)
    5 Oct 2012, 05:14 PM Reply Like
  • dakang
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    But still, this kind of semi-grapevine gossip (and really, every exec, everywhere, is at risk for his job pending performance issues) is hardly the kind of actionable information that constitutes what readers expect here.
    6 Oct 2012, 10:56 AM Reply Like
  • 1mp1r3t4
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    Yeah, Jhonsa, and each of those commentaries came from SA and not from credible sources. Follow the links you provide on these idiotic comments and you'll see how none lead anywhere but SA "news" reports. And yeah, you should be ashamed of posting incorrect reports and unsubstantiated gossip to pass as news.
    6 Oct 2012, 11:23 AM Reply Like
  • 1mp1r3t4
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    I did read it, which is why I know you tried to make up your own facts. In fact, in your reply objecting to my comments, you can't come out with the part where Reuters makes any reference to Elop's job security. Further, now you can reach your own conclusion as to the veracity of your flawed report. No one has to tag adjectives to your reporting on this issue, your error is blatant and you were caught with your pants down. Accept it, learn, be contrite, and move on.
    6 Oct 2012, 11:34 AM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
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    I don't expect to convince you of anything, but I stand by everything I wrote before. I was linking to an old Market Currents posts that in turn went to articles on other sites. Here's the Reuters column about Elop's job possibly being on the line if the WP8 launches don't go well.

     

    http://reut.rs/R5TPUC

     

    I've noticed a very disproportionate number of the rude and hostile responses to posts on tech companies come from Apple, Nokia, and RIM investors (in no particular order). Sadly, there's something about smartphones that brings out this behavior. In the cases of Nokia and RIM, I think the phenomenon is strengthened by the defensiveness some feel over the way the companies have performed lately.
    6 Oct 2012, 01:21 PM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
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    Sorry you feel that way. I've actually made plenty of posts linking to positive commentary on Nokia this year. Here's just one of them:

     

    http://seekingalpha.co...

     

    On a personal level, I'm rooting for Nokia and Windows Phone in general to succeed. The more competition the smartphone industry sees, the better it is for enthusiasts such as me. And I like the way that Microsoft really thought outside the box (or outside the icon, you could say) in developing WP.

     

    But like you said, Nokia does have a lot of challenges before it, and I think it's hard to overlook that when writing about the company. I was really hoping that the Lumia 920 would have a 41MP sensor like the PureView 808. That would have significantly boosted the odds of the phone turning into a game-changer. Barring that, it would have been better if the 920 was released around the same time as the iPhone 5, but it looks like Microsoft's WP8 release schedule prevented that.
    6 Oct 2012, 01:29 PM Reply Like
  • 1mp1r3t4
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    The Tarmo Virki Reuters article you bring up now was from September 19 and represents his opinion. There's nothing to show his comments come from reliable sources at the executive suite of Nokia. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but no serious enterprise engaged in the reporting of news should use an opinion and pass it on as original up to the minute news reporting. News are exactly that, a development that no one else has published before. When news articles quote other sources, they have an ethical obligation to disclose their sources lest they be accused of plagiarism and a malicious intent to misinform the public.
    7 Oct 2012, 09:39 AM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
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    "The Tarmo Virki Reuters article you bring up now was from September 19 and represents his opinion"

     

    Actually, it features quotes from multiple analysts and fund managers. It looks as if you didn't pay close attention to the text, just as you didn't pay close attention to the text of the Friday article.

     

    "but no serious enterprise engaged in the reporting of news should use an opinion and pass it on as original up to the minute news reporting"

     

    Hence my use of the term "speculation grows." Providing background commentary and insight is part of what Market Currents does (along with news reporting). You clearly only see what you wish to see, and are happy to leave good manners by the wayside while doing so.
    7 Oct 2012, 12:24 PM Reply Like
  • Origa
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    @SA Editor Eric
    While I disagree with the headline, and that the "power" in the words you chose I also disagree with Reuters way of typing it.

     

    SA needs to have a different layout, looking on Reuters today, then this headline comes from Reuters. How would you design the web page to include this information.

     

    Quote start.
    SCARDINO PREPARES TO QUIT NOKIA AFTER LEAVING PEARSON Days after announcing her departure from the helm of Financial Times owner Pearson, Dame Marjorie Scardino is preparing to give up her role as vice-chairman of troubled phone-maker Nokia
    Quote end.

     

    Link of proof http://reut.rs/SFXhZo with notice of that you can see this news at the bottom of page.
    7 Oct 2012, 12:59 PM Reply Like
  • 1mp1r3t4
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    Opinions from analysts and fund managers are neither news nor credible. Each distorts and stretches according to their book. And manners would dictate that you apologize instead of continuing to argue over the opinionated articles you continue to quote.

     

    Your so called "news" report was neither news nor a veritable report citing executives at the company as the source of your gossip. You attempted to mislead investors and readers of this forum and you were caught. Clearly, you have no regard for the ethics of journalism.
    8 Oct 2012, 10:44 AM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
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    If you don't think analyst/fund manager opinions have no place in news articles, then you have a problem with financial news in general. Or perhaps just financial news featuring opinions that differ from your own. Regardless, I can't take your views credibly.
    8 Oct 2012, 12:22 PM Reply Like
  • JoeMomma604
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    Note that the article says "speculation grows" which clearly states that it is just that, speculation by investors/fund managers, and analysts. You might want to brush up on your reading comprehension.
    8 Oct 2012, 10:20 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    "analyst/fund manager opinions" are great... but very deceiving.

     

    As an example... Goldman Sachs downgraded NOK to Sell... but instead of following their own advise, Goldman Sachs are holding 61 Million NOK shares, not selling.

     

    Why don't GS follow their own advise? Since they predict the stock to go down even more... They should have sold already. What are they waiting? Are GS managers dumb or is this Sell rating a complete and utter bull$hit?

     

    Kind of strange... eh? The only certainty I have is GS Sachs is contradicting themselves. ("Do as I say, not as I do!")
    9 Oct 2012, 04:02 AM Reply Like
  • 1mp1r3t4
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    I'm not a credible source and I don't post my own views mascarading as news reports. I also don't pass old published information from two weeks prior as news nor do I misquote and omit portions of statements to mislead and confuse the readers. Those who do are not journalists. They're frauds.
    9 Oct 2012, 09:13 AM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
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    Every accusation you've made here is inaccurate, and I've already gone to lengths to explain how, starting with my first post. But it's clear you only see what you wish to see out of your love for Nokia, and change the subject when a point is discredited (though the insults don't go away). Feel free to have the last word.
    9 Oct 2012, 09:48 AM Reply Like
  • 1mp1r3t4
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    Inaccurate that on October 5th you misquoted a September 19 report from Reuters and released it as a news report? Inaccurate that you harp on "increased speculation" where the lone source of your comments are your own prior repetitious misrepresentations? Inaccurate that you fail to cite the personal opinions of hedge fund managers and analysts as your sources making your readers believe your reports are genuine and from sources inside a multi-national corporation with innuendo and deceit? Insulting that you got caught with misrepresentations and inaccuracies? The truth shall set you free. The last word should be yours: Apologize over your lack of respect for your readers and mend your ways.
    10 Oct 2012, 10:46 AM Reply Like
  • Atmit
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    I have a distinct feeling that this executive paid the price for the incident where a video presented as having been shot by a Lumia 920 turned out to have been shot by a professional camera. That incident certainly called for some big heads to roll. This might be it.
    5 Oct 2012, 03:16 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    "That incident certainly called for some big heads to roll. This might be it."

     

    You're insane. Every company uses false advertising. Apple's way worse on that and nobody ever gets fired. Have you ever tried to replicate a Siri's ad? Then do try it, by all means.

     

    Of course he wasn't fired for such a stupid detail. Doh.
    5 Oct 2012, 04:53 PM Reply Like
  • Origa
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    This is disastrous for Nokia, another Vice is leaving the company, I believe that Nokia must get external help on its marketing.

     

    There is a warning for Q3 and lowered sales, that simply is not good if they are true.
    http://bit.ly/TaEOFX

     

    Nokia´s limit, with only going for (T) is also not good, Nokia needs to be selling to everybody and it is the phones that sell, not the sale representatives. There have been plenty of SA saying, no Lumia here in a AT&T Store.

     

    The last days of well below average numbers of NOK stocks being sold, is also a very grim reminder of a potential huge drop in share price. Q3 is expected to be very bad, and the very slow launch of Lumia 920/820 is simply unacceptable, but it is the result of bad management from Microsoft, 2 months is utterly and completely unacceptable, and initial sales momentum have dried out.

     

    Q4 in January, is the quarter the investors are waiting for, did the Microsoft launch pay off, the trend will be in the numbers. There is the result if Long Nokia pay´ed of or not.
    5 Oct 2012, 03:35 PM Reply Like
  • mr wonder
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    Relax. The you are referring to is famous because of its Nokia bashing. The Osbourne effect of Microsoft not upgrading WP7.5 to WP8 was expected to give a decline in Lumia sales. If this turns out to be only -9% (according to the Kantar measurements) then Q3 results are not as bad as expected. Especially because Kantar did only measure in developped countries and left the developping countries out of its research.

     

    So, this is not bad news at all.
    5 Oct 2012, 07:15 PM Reply Like
  • Lekoko
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    Two items to note - -

     

    1. I expect 2012-Q3 to be a bit above or a bit below Q2 in earnings. NSN and old Navteq should be above, and devices ~ up or down a bit. This would be a great net plus for the stock. If Q3 is a bottom, looking at buying intent, Q4 should be a ripper on the upside!

     

    2. ATT knows what it's best for it. Apple iPhone!
    ATT has sabotaged Lumia sales since the introduction of the Lumia 900. There have been many reports, including my personal experience, where I went to buy a Lumia 900 and was continuously given reasons to go with the iPhone, and drop the Nokia phone. BAD NEWS FOR NOKIA IN GOING WITH ATT as primary sales partner for the L920! With partners like that you don’t need any enemies.

     

    What should also be said about Nokia is that it appears not to have done anything about it!
    7 Oct 2012, 12:58 PM Reply Like
  • John Otisams
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    I believe his actual job title was VP of Product Marketing Smartphone Devices at Nokia; in which case, although he would not have had overall control of strategy per se, he was a powerful individual with responsibility for the product design, pricing, distribution and promotion of the smartphone devices. As such, one would assume he had a central role in the marketing mix for the Nokia Lumia 920 and 820. The internal investigation announced by CEO Elop following the damaging reception of the announcement adverts (pictures not taken by the phone incident) were but one example of poor marketing execution by Nokia of late. For example, the launch earlier this year of the Lumia 900 with AT&T over a holiday period was a disaster. Within 2 weeks the price was cut by 50% due to poor sales. The fact that the phone was constrained in its upgrade path from Windows 7 to Windows 8 was never going to do it much good; indeed it is surprising that they sold any units.
    How much of the responsibility lies with Nurmi, versus his bosses is unknown to me. However, I think Nokia needs somebody in the marketing post who understands the US marketplace as well as the global marketplace. Nokia's strength has traditionally been outside the US, although at its peek (pre iPhone launch) they had reasonable market share. Nevertheless, Nokia never really 'captured' the US market when they had the chance for a variety or reasons; but one of these strikes me as being that they seem to lack marketing intuition in their blood. Nokia is a great engineering company; they know how to design and develop world class products and technologies; at the same time, one might argue that they must have been good at marketing otherwise how would they have become the No.1. player in the market by the late 1990s and early part of this decade. My answer would be that although they have some marketing competence, they don't seem to exhibit it their DNA (if you will excuse this overworked analogy). Consequently, when faced with a need to be really creative in their marketing message, effective in the timing and mode of product launch they seem to fall rather short of the mark.
    I am long Nokia and have been so since the summer. As stated in previous comments, I acknowledge that from an investment point of view it will remain a rocky ride for the next few quarters and everything rests on their success of the 920 and 820 sales (at a profitable price point) to lift them back into the game. I don't doubt Nokia can produce excellent and possibly the best phones, but at the end of the day whether the market buys into this fact depends upon more than the product. It ultimately depends upon potential consumer perceptions. Managing perceptions is what counts in this game (assuming you have a half-descent product). As an investor, I really hope that the next person to take charge of the flagship phone line for Nokia really has marketing in his or her DNA and not just on their Powerpoint slides!
    5 Oct 2012, 03:35 PM Reply Like
  • Robert M. Donnelly
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    This is just another indicator that there is no real "team" at Nokia and Elop is a poor leader. As more and more of a mystery evolves as to the "strategy" at Nokia, the less and less investor confidence is evoked. The real question is "what is there to invest in"?
    5 Oct 2012, 03:58 PM Reply Like
  • mr wonder
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    Again, I can't read any reasoning in your comment. I only see you are trying hard to create some negative sentiment about Nokia and Elop. Please mention facts. If you try to do so, you will see there are many reasons to believe Nokia will only growing stronger day by day.
    5 Oct 2012, 07:23 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    I can't believe some people even suggest the guy was fired for a misleading ad.

     

    Almost every company in the world does the same. Marketing is almost always misleading. How many Apple's marketing guys were fired for their misleading Siri ad? None... because nobody really cares about misleading ads. Nobody, except for a few weasels who want to see companies like Nokia go bankrupt.

     

    The "misleading ad" was reported mostly in the USA. In Europe, not so much.

     

    Can you say... Lobbies!?
    5 Oct 2012, 04:58 PM Reply Like
  • EShy
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    Yes, it's done all the time, I know that because most ads have a disclaimer. "Images simulated", "Sequences shortened" etc. This one didn't.

     

    When the bicycle teaser showed up a few days before the event, I commented on some forum that it better be shot with the 920. If you're showing off a feature like OIS and not using the actual device, it's misleading. and since it didn't say anywhere that it's simulated, I assumed it's real.

     

    I don't think the Lumia marketing was good before with the 900, they couldn't get people to buy it. A change was needed anyway. but this might have been the final straw
    5 Oct 2012, 05:37 PM Reply Like
  • mr wonder
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    The Lumia 920 was not even introduced when this teaser came out. So how should they make a disclaimer, saying the video was not shot with the Lumia 920? Especially when the video did not show or mention anything about the Lumia 920. The teaser just introduced a new ois technology to be implemented in new future Nokia phones.

     

    All this hypocrit whining about Nokia's "fake commercial" is simply coming from the competition, their shareholders or Nokia shorters.

     

    Nokia was only too polite to excuse themselves for the confusion they apparently created... among all those poor naive people who also thought they got wings by drinking RedBull.
    5 Oct 2012, 07:39 PM Reply Like
  • Basicman007
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    Got fired, normal and needed procedure
    5 Oct 2012, 05:14 PM Reply Like
  • EShy
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    Wow, this is so misleading. "Ilari Nurmi, the Nokia (NOK) exec responsible for the company's smartphone strategy"? you mean the guy in charge of marketing, not strategy. that's too different things.

     

    Strategy would imply they're not happy with the choices they made and are making changes (or that he was pushing for something other than WP which would mean senior execs aren't happy with that platform).

     

    The reality is, here's a guy in charge of the failed marketing of the Lumia line, probably was responsible for the fake video fiasco (even if he didn't know about it, he's their senior smartphone marketing exec, he should have).

     

    So he got fired for bad performance, it happens. how do you go from that to the speculations about Elop being next?

     

    Seeking Alpha is becoming an amateur FUD spreading site
    5 Oct 2012, 05:33 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    EShy: None of Apple's ads about Siri have any disclaimer, have they?... and I dare you trying to replicate with any IPhone what Apple does in their ads. It's absolutely impossible!!! Siri is a voice controlled app... but what Apple shows in their Siri ads is totally different: an inexisting technology.
    Apple promises a feature they can't possibly deliver.

     

    What Nokia did is no different than what's standard in the marketing industry.
    So... why the grudge against Nokia and not any other company?

     

    Why doesn't the US mainstream media ever talk about Apple's sci-fi ads?

     

    Makes no sense seeing what is a perfectly normal ad being so bashed by the US press... I suspect Google and/or Apple are using their piles of cash to lobby against Nokia and I'm happy that lobbying culture stays mainly in the US.
    Lobbying is a despicable culture.
    5 Oct 2012, 06:42 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    If Elop leaves Nokia I'm sure he can secure a place for himself on the board at Apple.

     

    Elop is one of the hottest tech managers right now and Apple could sure use his mojo...
    5 Oct 2012, 06:46 PM Reply Like
  • mr wonder
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    I did not know you consider Elop being hot ;)
    PS. Ever thought about a confidentiality clause?
    5 Oct 2012, 07:45 PM Reply Like
  • wpdsr001
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    Excuse me for butting in BUT I don't care about his leaving or staying. All I needed to know from the article was Mr XX is no longer there. What his position was and how does his departure effect the overall operation of Nokia. Also has Nokia put in place stratagies to compensate for his departure. (Period) A lot of people trade on Gossip and I suspect just Gossip and don't trade. I trade on facts. Reuters is a repuitable observer and reporter of what they see and hear and I rely on that reporting. If you as an investor or trader do not like what happened, sell you stock and go buy something else.
    5 Oct 2012, 07:54 PM Reply Like
  • rjgood
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    The same speculation is happening for the MSFT advertising team, guessing that execs are leaving because the IE 10 do-not-track "on" decision (which is probably 100% false, they just leave or get fired.)

     

    I expect that this is due to the poor execution of marketing the best, or at least two of the top, phones on the market (900 and 920.)

     

    I have a Lumia 900 and an very impressed. My family has HTC Evo and iPhone 4s and I am very unimpressed.

     

    The camera of the 920, high quality in every aspect, obsession with the small details and the MSFT ecosystem is what will keep me coming back for more.

     

    I wish NOK the best, my opinion is that their 920 will be in the top spot vs. the iPhone 5. Unfortunately for NOK, is that the sales will not reflect their quality products, thanks to poor marketing.
    5 Oct 2012, 10:34 PM Reply Like
  • alphaRAJU
    , contributor
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    I am still reading that even with the maps problem and the purple spot in photo shots and the half inch increase only in length and looking odd, that the iphone is still the best smartphone in the market. And there are clearly MSFT haters out there who think the Android phones are the best. I for myself like all technology, but no phone can stand in front of my Lumia 900, let alone what's coming in the Lumia 920. Eventually Nokia will prevail and have it's market share. Long NOK.
    6 Oct 2012, 02:36 PM Reply Like
  • ylseekingalpha
    , contributor
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    if you look at the track record of its current CEO you might foresee Nokia's future. It looks to me that all these were well planned. I don't believe that this person can take the sole responsibility for what has happened to Nokia. Think about if the CEO is Jobs of Bill Gates, what would have happened?
    7 Oct 2012, 01:29 AM Reply Like
  • Leont68
    , contributor
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    I think our complaints about how mr Jhonsa goes about reporting falls on deaf ears. Lets all write to SA directly and complain about his work ethics. I for one already fired a complaint using this link http://bit.ly/vwOErQ

     

    lets all follow suit. If SA receives enough complaints then maybe that will change the way he uses his own personal bias while reporting on Nokia

     

    I for one think that "speculation" from 3rd party unconfirmed sources should not be included at all.

     

    regards.
    7 Oct 2012, 01:47 PM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
    , contributor
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    If you want to do that, that's your right. But an attempt to bully me into providing more positive coverage on a company isn't going to work. Especially not regarding a company I've already said I'd like to see succeed for the sake of industry competition.

     

    Over the last dozen years, I've been accused of being biased against Apple, Google, Nokia, Qualcomm, RIM, and probably one or two other companies with mobile exposure. I hope you see the irony in that, given how many of those companies have been at odds with each other. I hope you can also see that I made an attempt to respond to criticism here when many other writers wouldn't have bothered.

     

    I try to be even-handed when discussing tech companies, but I don't expect everything I write to meet with the approval of those who react angrily to anything they find to be critical about a favored company. It's as true with Apple or RIM as it is with Nokia.

     

    One final point: those sources weren't "unconfirmed." Read the Reuters article about Elop, and you'll see the names of the fund managers and analysts suggesting Elop's job could be on the line are provided. With that I've said my final word on this subject.
    7 Oct 2012, 05:07 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
    , contributor
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    Eric, those fund managers and analysts are "suggesting". Nothing is confirmed about it. You still do not get that point?

     

    I am in no way trying to influence how you should write your articles. But in terms of this specific post I think you should have just stuck with the facts related to Ilari Nurmi and left mr Elop out of it.

     

    You know what is a real "fact" this link right here http://reut.rs/SG4AlS

     

    Its the chairman of Nokia defending Elop. btw have you ever written a article about this particular piece?
    7 Oct 2012, 05:10 PM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
    , contributor
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    "Eric, those fund managers and analysts are "suggesting". Nothing is confirmed about it. You still do not get that point?"

     

    That's why it was called speculation. Either way, their comments aren't "unconfirmed."

     

    "btw have you ever written a article about this particular piece?"

     

    Actually, I did write about that piece. Thanks for asking.

     

    http://seekingalpha.co...
    7 Oct 2012, 05:47 PM Reply Like
  • pureview8
    , contributor
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    It's just one VP, no big deal. They have probably another 100 VP's they can cull. The cost savings would add up faster than trying to fire a bunch of line level workers.

     

    That said, Nokia needs to get real aggressive with the launch of Lumia 920. How about pricing it at $99 with a 2yr contract on ATT? Then offer customers who bought the Lumia 900 an upgrade special of $49 if they traded in their old L900. Then turn around and sell the used Lumia 900 for $249 to the prepaid market.

     

    They would have lines around the block! Come on Nokia, you can do it!
    7 Oct 2012, 08:30 PM Reply Like
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