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The Twitter account that leaked Nokia's (NOK) Lumia 920 and 820 has posted an image of the Nokia...

The Twitter account that leaked Nokia's (NOK) Lumia 920 and 820 has posted an image of the Nokia Atlas, a Windows Phone device said to be meant for Verizon Wireless. The Atlas' design appears closer to that of the mid-range Lumia 610 than that of the 920 (an AT&T exclusive) or 820. The leak comes a day after T-Mobile USA announced it would sell the Lumia 810, a phone closely resembling the 820, but lacking a 4G radio.
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  • DeepValueLover
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    Nokia can keep coming out with great phones but if the company continues being absolutely inept in MARKETING the products then the company has no future.

     

    Only Nokia diehards care. Nokia has to get OTHER people as excited as Apple does for its products.

     

    Look for a horrible quarter followed by another sad quarter after that.

     

    Would be a great company with competent management.
    9 Oct 2012, 12:35 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    Get real. No one has as performant marketing system as Apple, or maybe as stupid customers... Do you know another company in the modern history, that could issue the exact same "new" product and still beat the sales? Who could imagine that the iPhone 4s would be a success? It won't last, but it's extremely amazing to see!
    But don't forget that unlike Apple, Nokia shares worth only $2,60, so even if Nokia sells as much phones as 20% of what Apple sell, it would be a succes and the shares would soar. I think that after the iPhone 5 presentation, Nokia have pretty nice odds here!
    9 Oct 2012, 03:29 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    Where are the lines of people when Nokia releases a product?

     

    Why don't most people talk about Nokia's upcoming releases like they do Apple's?

     

    Why is Nokia's share price not $10 (or even $5) anymore?

     

    Why haven't smartphone sales improved under Elop?

     

    What kind of sales growth has Nokia had vs. Apple since 2009?

     

    How about Nokia's sales growth vs. Samsung?

     

    10 years ago Nokia was a relevant phone manufacturer. What happened?

     

    Why didn't people who bought Nokia above $4 per share sell when they had the chance?
    10 Oct 2012, 02:32 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    Dear Deepvaluelover,

     

    The queues for Apple products are getting shorter year after year. I was on a business trip in Germany the weekend of iPhone 5 release, not one single queue in their shops. People could simply enter the shops and buy the new iPhones as they wanted. They didn't even have any stock problems. I've been in 4-5 shops in city centrum, simply by curiosity, and very few people were buying them actually. I was very surprised! I did notice an old German couple buying two Lumias though.
    And you should probably go on some geeky tech sites, you would notice that a lot of people are waiting for Lumia release. These are the people who made Samsung and Android a succes, Geeks are the targeted customers of every single phone maker, accept Apple, who actually hates Geeks. So if these people are discussing Lumia and nervously waiting for its release, it's a tremendous sign!
    You shouldn't judge a company like Nokia by its today's results. When a company's share costs $2,50 it's obvious that things aren't going well. However, Nokia is on the right path to take its former place back and even the third place is an excellent place to be in today's phone market, dominated by this scandalous duopoly. You shouldn't forget the fact that if Apple is doing well today doesn't offer any kind of warranty that it will stay a leader in about 5 years from now. If I would be basing on your assumption, that the global market doesn't evolve in time and that the leaders of today would be the leaders of tomorrow, it would have been way too easy to pick the companies to invest in. It's a really weak argument for a deepvalulover, like you, Sir.
    But the simple fact that most of the people, who are going long on Apple, are feeling so nervous and unconfident facing such a beaten company like Nokia and feel the need to express their fears through some emotional baseless comments about Nokia, warms my heart and gives me more confidence in Nokia's future. I understand that you are stressed by the fact that your money is trapped in Apple shares, but I don't think that spinning on a tiny "looser" like Nokia (according to your comments of course) would make your Apple shares rise somehow. Nice try, though!
    10 Oct 2012, 04:02 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    First you admit that Apple generates enough excitement in its products that people actually LINE UP FOR THEM!!

     

    Then you admit that Nokia is in trouble.

     

    But you fail to acknowledge that Nokia's sales have been trending down hard for the last few years with no hope of a turnaround.

     

    If Nokia were going to turn around it would have done it by now. The sales figures are tragic. Nokia sold phones like mad in 2008 and even 2009 but their worldwide share has collapsed and now the planet belongs go Android and iOS.

     

    That is a fact, not conjecture.

     

    Please link to ANY evidence that Nokia sales haven't collapsed in the last few years.

     

    At least provide proof that Nokia's market share hasn't been in free fall since 2009.

     

    Baseless?

     

    No, I only provide facts. Nokia with its current management is a doomed company.

     

    Look for shares to collapse down to $1.75 once the tragic Christmas sales losses are reported.
    10 Oct 2012, 09:53 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    The only line I've seen was the one in Paris. It lasted 30 minutes, the time that everyone could get in the store to pick a phone. Seemed very artificial on TV! As they said in the news report, theses people wanted to stand in the queue, cause they think it's part of the Apple experience. I also saw a strike of angry AppleStore employees just in front of this "massive" queue. It seemed to me like a Western sign of the Chinese strike. Apple shows us here that there's no free lunch, when you treat people and your business partners like dirt, you'll have to pay that on some day... The fall is going to be long and painful.
    The countries where Apple products still have a huge success, like Russia or China, didn't even get any iPhone 5 release, because Apple is unable to produce enough iPhones. Foxconn factories are fighting against Apple, and guess who's winning the war? If a company is unable to produce enough of phones to reach the demand, their revenue won't get any higher... It's a clear case of mismanagement. Everyone is bashing Nokia cause they are waiting to release the next Lumia, but releasing as few units as Apple shows their lack of business aptitude since Jobs is gone.
    Now Nokia is in trouble, everyone knows that, it's obvious, but I think that the WP8 is going to be the first game changer. The new Lumia is going to be sold by millions according to the revues I read on the tech sites and it's just the beginning. So when you buy shares of a company like Nokia the risk is highly rewarded on a long term run.
    I have only one thing to advice you, my friend, go long AAPL and short NOK if yo are so sure of your vision of the phone market as well as of your personal facts, while I'll do the exact opposite. Send me an email next year, just to tell me how you are doing there.
    11 Oct 2012, 07:21 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    Apple doesn't need to sell ANY more iPads and iPhones to make more money than Nokia.

     

    They can just invest the $100 billion cash pile in blue chip equities that pay 4% (utilities, health care, telecoms, etc.) and investment grade debt @ ~3% and still earn more free cash than Nokia can hope to generate for the next few years.

     

    Will Nokia clear (EBIT) $3.5 billion in profits this year or next? No.

     

    They even admit it themselves. So Apple is in the catbird's seat for the foreseeable future as they nurture their global brand, ever expanding product sales and high margins.

     

    Nokia, meanwhile, will be lucky to be a going concern by next Labor Day.

     

    The financials back me up all the way on this. There is simply no argument to be made that Nokia is even in the same league as Apple.
    11 Oct 2012, 08:06 AM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    "There is simply no argument to be made that Nokia is even in the same league as Apple."

     

    So why do you feel the need to use Apple in your argumentation about Nokia? I just don't get it! Since your first comment here you started to talk about Apple, while this company went in phone business only 6 years ago and it has already been struggling for 2 years to stay in race. Sales is not everything and iPhone 4s is clearly a flop and the iPhone 5 is going to be a flop as soon as they manage to produce enough units. If you analyze a company on a very short term sales do count, but on the long run, the only thing that is important is the innovation and unlike Nokia, Apple is clearly in a bad shape since Jobs' death, on that one!

     

    I just would like to make you notice that in '90ies and in early '00 every person saying that Nokia is going down wasn't considered as being serious, while Apple's shares costed about $2,50. What an irony? Apple was completly bashed by every single investor and look at it now. $650 thanks to one single person - Steve Jobs. Everything is going much faster in these days and we will see soon who was right and who was wrong in our useless conversation. I've already picked my horse.
    11 Oct 2012, 08:39 AM Reply Like
  • Robert M. Donnelly
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    Again, a product is only as good as people think it is. Marketing is about perception, not reality!
    9 Oct 2012, 03:41 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    Marketing is about perception. Product quality is absolute. Market performance is a function of both elements. A good product markets itself, look at Google. Their first TV ad was in 2010 - 12 years after the commercial launch of their service.
    9 Oct 2012, 03:51 PM Reply Like
  • Financehulligan
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    That's right. And that is what people will see when Nokia promote and sell their Lumia 920 and 820 at US malls.

     

    I understand you must be a big fan of Stephen Elop cause he recently said exactly the same !!
    9 Oct 2012, 05:53 PM Reply Like
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