Seeking Alpha

"With each new generation of Windows Phone, Microsoft not only closes the gap with iOS and...

"With each new generation of Windows Phone, Microsoft not only closes the gap with iOS and Android in important ways, but it also differentiates in important ways," says The Verge in a fairly positive review of Windows Phone 8 (MSFT). It also declares the OS to have the best home screen of any platform, and likes its built-in Office and cloud apps. But it's not crazy about the Nokia-powered (NOK) Maps app, and says there are still "countless annoyances" that hurt the user experience. (yesterday: I, II)
Comments (30)
  • ericmeister
    , contributor
    Comments (350) | Send Message
     
    Well, I'm not crazy about the iOS6 maps either
    30 Oct 2012, 11:45 AM Reply Like
  • riwm45
    , contributor
    Comments (96) | Send Message
     
    Well, neither am I & who does anyways.
    30 Oct 2012, 11:53 AM Reply Like
  • Tricky
    , contributor
    Comments (1583) | Send Message
     
    I know it's not cool to say anything positive about MSFT, but for all its (definitely real) shortcomings vs. iOS and Android, MSFT has some potent weapons that it is starting to leverage in the mobile OS wars. Very interestingly, for two very different segments -- Xbox with consumers, Office with corporate.

     

    I'm not yet ready to jump on the Windows mobile OS train, but for the very first time I'm at least considering it.
    30 Oct 2012, 12:08 PM Reply Like
  • russellm454
    , contributor
    Comments (128) | Send Message
     
    What? I LOVE the Nokia map app. Its as close to a full blown GPS as I've seen on any phone.
    30 Oct 2012, 12:11 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
    , contributor
    Comments (1972) | Send Message
     
    From what I've seen so far, it's even better than my Garmin Nuvi!!!! :-O
    30 Oct 2012, 01:04 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
    , contributor
    Comments (96) | Send Message
     
    They tested Bing maps app from what I can tell...
    30 Oct 2012, 05:32 PM Reply Like
  • Remyngton
    , contributor
    Comments (354) | Send Message
     
    way too many MSFT bears out there
    30 Oct 2012, 12:42 PM Reply Like
  • Financehulligan
    , contributor
    Comments (1079) | Send Message
     
    If you buy the Nokia Lumia 920 or 820 (822 at Verizon) or any other Nokia Lumia you will have Nokia Drive turn by turn navigation and Nokia City lens for free.

     

    That is why Nokia Lumia is the only fully equipped Windows Phone 8 phone on the market. Of cource you will be able to buy turn by turn navigation to the Samsung and HTC devices also at Windows store.

     

    http://cnet.co/SWLkfO
    30 Oct 2012, 12:44 PM Reply Like
  • Joao Beca
    , contributor
    Comments (13) | Send Message
     
    It's a bit strange what they say about the Nokia-powered Maps when companies like amazon, BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen, Hyundai, Pioneer and Garmin think different
    30 Oct 2012, 12:54 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
    , contributor
    Comments (1972) | Send Message
     
    I think someone has the intention to kill Nokia so that Apple can get NavTeq for free. Bad luck, their crooked plan is failing. :-P
    30 Oct 2012, 01:05 PM Reply Like
  • elsrmp56
    , contributor
    Comments (176) | Send Message
     
    MSFT OS is the FUTURE of PC and mobile devices. There isn't an OS out there to compete. Imagine how seamless and user friendly MSFT OS will be across the spectrum of devices. Buy it and forget about it. You will be richly rewarded. IMHO
    30 Oct 2012, 01:45 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
    , contributor
    Comments (8608) | Send Message
     
    Samsung just came out with its hottest Windows Phone yet:

     

    http://bit.ly/TlCAOA-/

     

    The Ativ S should be a blockbuster for Samsung.

     

    Too bad for Nokia.
    30 Oct 2012, 02:08 PM Reply Like
  • jtalpha75
    , contributor
    Comments (337) | Send Message
     
    now that wall street has built up apple, they will make a fortune tearing in down...shorting!
    30 Oct 2012, 05:29 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
    , contributor
    Comments (8958) | Send Message
     
    Actually I'm not too worried about other Windows Phones doing well.
    Nokia will benefit from the Windows Phone 8 halo regardless.

     

    The more winners there are, the more winners there'll be.
    30 Oct 2012, 07:26 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
    , contributor
    Comments (8608) | Send Message
     
    Luke:

     

    I've heard this strange logic before and it simply doesn't make sense.

     

    It is like saying RC Cola benefits when people buy Pepsi and Coke because it is keeping people thinking about colas.

     

    The only companies that benefit are the ones that sell the most phones and make the most profit.

     

    This isn't a commune where profits are "shared"..it is a cutthroat business that changes faster than Nokia can anticipate.

     

    I wrote before that if Windows Phone takes off it will be the top brands that everyone knows and loves that will benefit. It looks like that is coming true...

     

    Samsung is far more popular than Nokia in smartphones...that is why Samsung outsells Nokia in smartphones.

     

    Nokia is now seen as the "Indian lorry driver" low end phone maker. The sales of low margin Nokia entry phones prove me right.
    30 Oct 2012, 09:57 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
    , contributor
    Comments (8958) | Send Message
     
    I understand your point.
    What I'm saying is that if HTC and Samsung WP8 smartphones are wildly popular, then Windows Phone 8 by definition will be wildly popular and Nokia will have a far larger market place to participate in.
    (I have confidence in Nokia's ability to make a good showing here.)

     

    Even though the profits are not 'shared', the marketing, ecosystem, and Windows goodwill will be.. and with this Nokia benefits.
    30 Oct 2012, 11:34 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
    , contributor
    Comments (1365) | Send Message
     
    DVL Nokia owns59 percent of worldwide windows phone market. It might not sell the most smartphones as in ios and android ( how could it, it doesnt make iphones or phones based on android) But it does sell the most smartphones based on windows phone 7. And I am more then confident it will sell the most smartphones based on windows phone 8.

     

    http://dthin.gs/S4NMT0

     

    The windows phone market share might be small as of now. But with the push of windows 8/RT/phone in 2013, it will grow. And Nokia will only benefit from it.

     

    Also Android been able to gain marketshare because of its low end offerings around the world, Nokia knows that and has been able to grab marketshare with its ASHA line of phones and also is working actively lower the price point of its windows phone 7.8 based phones like the lumia 510. Eventually it will be able to sell windows phones without contract for around $100 usd or less. To sum it up, Nokia will have the most complete line of windows phone offerings. That is something Samsung or HTC is not interested in.

     

    While you look back in history in regards to Nokia and see a failure, Most of us look forward in time and see the potential of the new Nokia and its partnership with MSFT.
    31 Oct 2012, 03:19 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
    , contributor
    Comments (1972) | Send Message
     
    Really, DeepValueLover?

     

    You've reported my comment as abuse? For real? You know, that comment where I only asked if you "could be a little more biased, please?"

     

    Aahhahahahhahaahahahha...
    31 Oct 2012, 04:21 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
    , contributor
    Comments (8608) | Send Message
     
    mitrado:

     

    I don't know what you're talking about. I've never reported your comments.
    31 Oct 2012, 09:53 PM Reply Like
  • ericmeister
    , contributor
    Comments (350) | Send Message
     
    @dvl:

     

    Too bad for Nokia shorters like you, Ativ S is way behind Lumia 920. Lumia 920 preorders top charts everywhere in Europe, even iPhone 5 is behind

     

    http://bit.ly/VNuRkb
    http://bit.ly/Y0Bhty

     

    Independent UK ranks Lumia 920 as #1 phone from all available smartphones. Ativ S not found on top-10 list. That's how amazing phone you are talking about now.

     

    http://ind.pn/VfFqep
    3 Nov 2012, 09:08 AM Reply Like
  • techy46
    , contributor
    Comments (6189) | Send Message
     
    If annoyances in Nokia Maps is all The Verge can complain about then Nokia's Lumia 920 is in great shape. It beats all comers on camera, display, design, price and software OS. If you can get a Lumia 920 for $149 2 year AT&T contract it's a steal. It's a $100 in Canada with a 3 year contract. It's selling out in Europe and will be on China Mobile as the Lumia 920T. China Mobile has 695,000,000 subscribers.
    30 Oct 2012, 02:11 PM Reply Like
  • Joao Beca
    , contributor
    Comments (13) | Send Message
     
    The problem it's The Verge has used HTC windows phone on this review as we know it look like a toy when compared with Lumia 920
    30 Oct 2012, 05:29 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
    , contributor
    Comments (1972) | Send Message
     
    Eeheheh! I see you know some things! :-)

     

    The same happened with Google Maps for iOS. It was a limited edition. Very limited, if you know what I mean!
    30 Oct 2012, 07:21 PM Reply Like
  • doc1234
    , contributor
    Comments (9) | Send Message
     
    Stick with microsoft hardware- they will soon release new technology that will rule the market- handwriting recognition and perfection but more importantly- they will have the only HARDWARE and SOFTWARE that will allow users to easily store and retrieve handwritten documents no differently than we now do with type (word or any document system, social media, email etc
    30 Oct 2012, 04:45 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
    , contributor
    Comments (1365) | Send Message
     
    windows 8 upgrades sold 4 million copies in 4 days. 2013 will be the year of windows 8/RT/wp8 , I feel great that nokia decided to partner with microsoft.
    30 Oct 2012, 06:27 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
    , contributor
    Comments (8958) | Send Message
     
    If you watched the Windows Phone 8 presentation, or you've had a chance to experience Live Tiles first hand, I think you can see that Microsoft leapfrogged both the iOS and Android icon grid.

     

    The live tiles, ability to customize the home screen, and even the 'live lock screen' are sure to cause Apple serous consternation over the next year while they try to come up with an answer.
    Does Apple admit live tiles are the way to go and copy Microsoft, or do they reinvent the stale iOS UI and come up with something even better?

     

    I've done a lot of UI design over the years and coming up with a whole new UI paradigm is very difficult and I would be surprised if Apple doesn't simply punt and adopt Microsoft's live tiles (with great humility.)
    30 Oct 2012, 08:05 PM Reply Like
  • russellm454
    , contributor
    Comments (128) | Send Message
     
    Thing is while the metro interface is improved in WP8 it has been around since WP7. I've enjoyed it the whole time. I'm glad people are finally noticing how brilliant it is. The problem is folks have listened way to long to Apple and Google fan boys and media. Just like the upcoming election, observe the facts, get out there and put your hands on all the different devices and make up your own mind based on fact not what you heard. WP has been the best phone out there for 2 years now. Don't worry about the low numbers of apps. This phone is going to sale app developers will follow.
    31 Oct 2012, 11:13 AM Reply Like
  • tadakauko
    , contributor
    Comments (18) | Send Message
     
    MSFT and Nokia are just starting out , in time everything will be perfected and changed many times over, what one person may hate another may like.

     

    I am glad the positive news is starting to come out for Nokia, and can't wait to get one of those new phones and try it out.

     

    Tadaka Uko
    30 Oct 2012, 09:53 PM Reply Like
  • marvinsannes
    , contributor
    Comments (51) | Send Message
     
    Quality rules, sells, wins, survives, thrives, profits; now, then, always has, always will; stocks, phones, software, toilet paper.

     

    I look at options and pick the best and often look at the price.
    2 Nov 2012, 03:49 PM Reply Like
  • jrg1951@aol.com
    , contributor
    Comments (16) | Send Message
     
    Nokia is going to be big again take my work and buy Nok while its still inexpensive.
    3 Nov 2012, 01:02 AM Reply Like
DJIA (DIA) S&P 500 (SPY)
ETF Tools
Find the right ETFs for your portfolio:
Seeking Alpha's new ETF Hub
ETF Investment Guide:
Table of Contents | One Page Summary
Read about different ETF Asset Classes:
ETF Selector