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Fox, CBS, NBC call the presidential race for incumbent Barack Obama after multiple networks call Ohio for the president. Updated: S&P e-Mini futures look priced in: -0.47%; The dollar -0.47% against euro, -0.41% against Swiss franc. Updated 11:38 p.m: AP calls the race for Obama. S&P futures -0.58%; the dollar -0.41% against euro; -0.2% against pound; -0.39% against Swiss franc.
Comments (106)
  • I wish I could talk to Sean Hannity who kept the spin machine going that he though Romney would very likely be winning.
    6 Nov 2012, 11:23 PM Reply Like
  • Glorious day for America. We defeated the 1%. We move forward.
    6 Nov 2012, 11:27 PM Reply Like
  • >>>Glorious day for America. We defeated the 1%. We move forward.<<<


    Forward to where?
    6 Nov 2012, 11:39 PM Reply Like
  • I say a Banana Republic without the bananas.
    6 Nov 2012, 11:46 PM Reply Like
  • > Forward to where?


    To more attempts by the unreasonable opposition party to de-legitimize the (twice!) lawfully elected President of the United States!


    So really, no matter which flavor of plutocrat-owned political party you swing toward, you get what you want. :-)
    6 Nov 2012, 11:47 PM Reply Like
  • anoy,
    Forward ?? To another $4-6 trillion in deficits on top of the $16 trillion current national debt. Not that Romney would have reduced any deficits either.
    6 Nov 2012, 11:54 PM Reply Like
  • You're kidding yourself if you think the 1% controls only the Republican party...
    7 Nov 2012, 01:06 AM Reply Like
  • Apparently you don't understand V for Vendetta at all.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:07 AM Reply Like
  • No, Romney proposed cutting taxes to make the deficit smaller.


    And then ran on his business credentials.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:19 AM Reply Like
  • You guys have been repeatedly raped by Wall Street, and still joins its cause? How masochistic can you possibly get?
    7 Nov 2012, 03:09 AM Reply Like
  • Some never learn!!!
    7 Nov 2012, 03:52 AM Reply Like
  • For the metals....


    Gold closed up $29.90 to finish the comex session at $1714.10. Silver responded in kind rising by 91 cents to $32.01.


    Gotta love BO for this !!!
    7 Nov 2012, 04:56 AM Reply Like
  • UI


    He is clueless!!
    7 Nov 2012, 04:57 AM Reply Like
  • As CNBC reported: "Only because the Republicans were at work, instead of at the voting stations."


    * Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always followed by a Dictatorship." Ask Germany how that worked out for them, nu?


    A democracy is majority rule, and is destructive of liberty because there is no law to prevent the majority from trampling on individual rights. Whatever the majority says, goes. A lynch mob is an example of pure democracy in action. There is only one dissenting vote, and that is cast by the person at the end of the rope.

  opposed to a Republic..............


    Republic:Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.


    * Sadly, the 99%, includes 100% of the "uneducated".


    (uneducated means people who didn't go to university, and washed up Hollywood types trying to get Press in a vain attempt at "self aggrandizement", and THAT, means trying to make themselves sound more important than they are.)
    7 Nov 2012, 05:59 AM Reply Like
  • The .01% owns the Republican and Democratic parties. You didn't defeat anyone.


    Obama will fold on the "tax increase for the wealthy" and defense cuts... just wait.
    9 Nov 2012, 07:16 AM Reply Like
  • Mmm... fold on defense cuts, yes. I think they're hell-bent on being seen as "getting something out of the wealthy". But we'll see what form that takes -- watch them to vigorously go after the carried interest loophole, and I think they really want the symbolic victory of a hike in headline rates, but will probably "give" on the level of income where those kick in.


    By the way, anyone else shocked that Terry hasn't shown up to gloat? Maybe she has died of joy LOL
    9 Nov 2012, 07:48 AM Reply Like
  • One interesting aspect is that the "red team" out-spent the "blue team" (, overall, and only by a bit -- but the blue team still won.
    6 Nov 2012, 11:37 PM Reply Like
  • Four more years!


    Food stamps! Unemployment benefits! Unemployed College Graduates! Ben Bernank's QEternity! Meddling in Foreign Affairs!
    6 Nov 2012, 11:45 PM Reply Like
  • The Road to Serfdom has now been paved.
    6 Nov 2012, 11:50 PM Reply Like
  • Serfdom? A lot of stocks would disagree, as would everyone's favorite partisan options guru:

    6 Nov 2012, 11:55 PM Reply Like
  • You're equating finance to the real economy.
    6 Nov 2012, 11:57 PM Reply Like
  • Certainly -- but pretending that PCLN's 1000%+ gain since Obama's first election is an accurate reflection of the average citizen's success is actually not quite as ridiculous as pretending that the next four years will result in "serfdom".


    Reality: it's not just for Liberals anymore. :-)
    7 Nov 2012, 12:08 AM Reply Like
  • I'm gonna go with serfdom. Obama is not a job creator. Good thing is... Bush is officially off the hook. No more blame games. Our new recession is now firmly in Obama's lap. Things are going to get very interesting these next 4 years.
    7 Nov 2012, 12:16 AM Reply Like
  • I'm not using serfdom in the historical sense, but within the context of people who depend on the state for their well-being with no incentives to produce things and become successful in life:



    The number of foodstamp collectors in this country now exceed the entire population of certain nations.


    Obama has managed to increase the number of foodstamp collectors in this country at its fastest rate since Nixon.


    Duration of unemployment in this country( was at its longest, exceeding The Great Depression, just until recently: Yes, jobs were not plentiful, but many people also dropped out of the labor force. Why would they need to persist? What incentive are there when you're getting free money?


    The big word here is INCENTIVES.


    What incentive is there for corporations to actually care about what they're doing when the solution to any crisis is to become too big to fail and wait for an Obama bailout. This administration, along with the FED, is breeding the absolute worst in human behavior.
    7 Nov 2012, 12:27 AM Reply Like
  • A man was elected today with no agenda or budget. No experience in having one and refuses to even propose one.


    What does that say about ourselves? We are Europe, we are Greece we just don't see it yet. When riots break out in 3 years because the system goes bankrupt and the gravy train stops, people will be burning the houses down. Watch and learn.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:06 AM Reply Like
  • I am gonna quite my job so I can reap some of these benefits, and you can pay for it...thanks!
    7 Nov 2012, 01:07 AM Reply Like
  • Also count the number/increase of disability recipients.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:27 AM Reply Like
  • Well we saved the banks and corporations first, and then the scraps go to the middle class, and the working poor. We don't have a welfare state, we have a warfare/corporate plutocracy. Thats a greater portion of what wrecked the budget.


    But, as they said after Bush II won (stole?) his second term...
    "get over it". We won. Go back to work.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:42 AM Reply Like
  • If your an investment banker, you already have quit, and reaped the benefits.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:04 AM Reply Like
  • For investment bankers it more likely laid off than quit.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:06 AM Reply Like
  • This is simply very simple thinking. Have you ever talked to a person who was on food stamps? I don't mean yelling at them and throwing rocks at them, I mean gotten to know them. ???


    The vast majority in my experience are actively looking for work, and cant wait to get off. (both food stamps, and welfare).


    If you hate the welfare for the working poor and the working middle class, and the "looking for work" poor and middle class (welfare being broadly defined to include food stamps), then you must absolutely be in total conniption over the massive corporate welfare.


    I mean, if you are intellectually honest, and care about being logically consistent.


    And when corporations and their lobbyists write the legislation to maximize their subsidies (oil and gas lobbies, et. al) that must really smoke you.


    But only if you aren't ideologically blinded by fear and rhetoric.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:12 AM Reply Like
  • Presidents have very limited ability to create jobs.


    They preside over an economy largely not of their making.


    That said, the business presidents we've had: BUSH II with his MBA, and HOOVER with his impressive business credentials presided over some of the lousiest job creation periods in our history.


    Historically, we should learn that business presidents are bad for business. Ironic isn't it?


    I think Romney would have been good for business.


    In China.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:17 AM Reply Like
  • Have you talked to the vast majority of foodstamp collectors (over 40 million)? Or just the ones you talk to?


    For somebody who teaches economics and mathematics you seem very ignorant of something called selection bias and small sample bias.


    Those on unemployment benefits have to keep looking for jobs in order to continue to collect those checks. And how hard do you think these people will look when they have free money even if temporary?


    If the students you taught knew you were the kind of teacher to inflate grades and not punish bad behavior, how hard would they work to learn their material?


    Incentives matter more than you think.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:20 AM Reply Like
  • A few exit poll stats: Obama got:


    93% of Black vote
    71% of Hispanic vote
    60% of vote with not complete HS education
    60% of vote earning less than $50 k/yr


    Would you agree that that is a pretty good indicator of the Welfare state?
    7 Nov 2012, 02:32 AM Reply Like
  • >>Presidents have very limited ability to create jobs.<<


    BS!... the policies they enact reflect wether jobs are created or lost. The health care act is going to be the greatest "full time" job killer in history. It's already starting, and will get way worse before it gets better. Welcome to the new Obama realm.





    I've got another 100 or so examples at the ready, but I think you guys get the drift.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:32 AM Reply Like
  • Sammy Lee: Yes I've talked to just the ones I've talked to.


    Probably over 100. But you are correct sir, I wouldn't dare to publish this in a journal, just making an observation.


    Incentives matter an incredible amount--absolutely.


    Social stigma matters to many of these folks even more. I'm not saying that their aren't freeloaders--of course their are. But pride and social stigma is its own incentive, and after interviewing these people, many of them, cant wait to leave the "free handouts".


    And while we are on incentives, our perfect capitalistic system has some rather perverse incentives as well.


    Oh, and my favorite, the incentive to bail out Wall Street when they gamble with taxpayer money. Because they are trying to get rich, and the people I talk to on food stamps are TRYING TO SURVIVE.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:50 AM Reply Like
  • WMARKW: So what you are saying is the minorities, and the uneducated, are voting for the welfare state?


    Could their be another possible interpretation?


    Could it be they relate better to the candidate overall?


    Most of my friends and relatives (some poor, more or less educated, and as Caucasian as they come are big Romney supporters).


    They explained that the voted for him because thats they canidate they trusted. I'll buy that. They went with their gut. They liked Romney personally.


    I would bet that a similar dynamic is at play conversely.
    7 Nov 2012, 03:00 AM Reply Like
  • Could be.
    7 Nov 2012, 03:02 AM Reply Like
  • Azblackbird:


    Wrong. The recession was 30 years in the making, and was topped off by massive spending and very large tax cuts, in addition to extreme leverage in the private sector.


    This wasn't a normal business cycle recession, but a massive balance sheet recession.


    It will be another ten years or so of very low anemic job growth regardless of who is in power.


    I agree that the health care bill is a boondoggle, but its effects have largely yet to have occurred, and does not explain the past four years.


    I agree going forward it will be a drag on the economy, but it was passed by congress, and it was similar to ROMNEYCARE, so why would Romney be the guy to fix it?
    7 Nov 2012, 03:04 AM Reply Like
  • >>>I agree going forward it will be a drag on the economy, but it was passed by congress, and it was similar to ROMNEYCARE, so why would Romney be the guy to fix it?<<<


    Romney was going to repeal it and start all over. Way too much unnecessary crap in there that has nothing whatsoever to do with healthcare. Have you even bothered to read it? WTF does any of this crap have to do with healthcare?


    "Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel."


    "Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons."


    "Ready Reserve Corps... There shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency."


    "A 2.3% excise tax on U.S. sales of medical devices"


    These are just a few examples of this BS socialistic monstrosity... gimme a F'n break!
    7 Nov 2012, 03:39 AM Reply Like
  • Perhaps if you're weren't a teacher leaching off taxpayer money yourself and protected by the teacher's unions you'd understand that the American system since its early days is based entirely on people trying to get rich. If it weren't for enterprising people the U.S. would be another case of Eurosclerosis, or Japanese zombification.


    Like I said, Kahneman's "law of small numbers" bias applies to all of your comments. Talking to 100 foodstamp collectors does not justify your generalization of these people as trying to survive. And how do you get to know 100 people on foodstamps? Where the hell do you live?


    Maybe what we need in this country is people who not only want to survive, but succeed. People who think merely surviving off of government checks is an unacceptable way of life (with the exception of the elderly).


    7 Nov 2012, 03:45 AM Reply Like
  • Shining up that silver yet?
    7 Nov 2012, 03:53 AM Reply Like
  • whomever has a job that is !!! Fiat money is dead..Buy your PHYSICAL METALS ans watch the markets take a dive within 6 months!!
    7 Nov 2012, 03:55 AM Reply Like
  • Honestly, both were losers..Were passed the tipping point anyway!!
    7 Nov 2012, 03:56 AM Reply Like
  • First item to repeal..Tenure....Get rid of those lame ones still in the school system sleeping behind their desk. My daughter needs a teaching job, Graduated and can't find a single one!!
    7 Nov 2012, 04:00 AM Reply Like
  • Never left the last recession anyway !!! Just playing with the numbers...Now that the election is over we are going to see how bad things really are!!!
    7 Nov 2012, 04:11 AM Reply Like
  • Sammy Lee: I make a point of being civil, much a lost art in our country.


    Incredibly so in politics.


    My request would be for you to learn a way to disagree while remaining civil.


    Therefore, I generally don't attack people who disagree with me. I assume that you disagree, and that you have a legitimate point of view formed from your experiences.


    I agreed with your point that my point of view is anecdotal. Are you suggesting I edit my comments (so that I comply with your demand to be statistically rigorous in a way that you have not been?) to make them peer reviewable in a scholarly article?


    Then I suggest you hold yourself similarly accountable.


    Funny, I thought this was an informal discussion by reasonable people, but I am frequently wrong, and usually quick to admit it.


    Perhaps you are not reasonable. Prove me wrong.


    Ad hominem attacks detract from your arguments.


    Since you don't know me, you don't know whether I am in a union or not. ( Not all teachers are required to be in unions, and I can assure you, I am not fan of unions, particularly teachers unions).


    And since you don't know me, you don't know the caliber of teacher I am, so you cant possibly know if I am leaching off taxpayer money.


    I would also guess you don't know my salary, so you cant possibly know if I'm leaching, or something close to the opposite--frequently working summers and weekends, and holidays for free.


    Oh, statistically, you must have an argument that all teachers are...wait for it....leachers. That's intellectually rigorous of you.


    But you probably aren't overly concerned with facts; emotions seem your forte.


    Judgement is infinitely more satisfying.


    Do soldiers, airman, and sailors leach off the taxpayers?
    Do policemen and policewomen leach off the taxpayers?


    "With the exception of the elderly"..and 1 out of 6 children that survive on food-stamps.


    Perhaps, what this country needs is more children that want to get rich instead of just surviving. You paint a very pretty picture of America.
    7 Nov 2012, 04:12 AM Reply Like
  • I agree Blackbird, the healthcare law was abhorrent. I try to stick to the middle. I think it should be repealed as well.
    7 Nov 2012, 04:15 AM Reply Like
  • If you actually read my threads I actually did provide statistical evidence, when you didn't provide a single one except the one about the children. I guess I'm supposed to feel bad now because you're bringing in hungry children. Of course I don't want children to be on foodstamps (I have three myself), but giving foodstamps to anyone who wants them for a prolonged period of time is not the solution. If we had a country on sound financial footing and free market-based maybe more small businesses would be created and more jobs as well.


    In the 70s, Deng Xiaoping let the poor farmers of China keep some of their agricultural output, and output increased dramatically. That's incentive in action. And it was the beginning of the almost-miraculous growth of China. When the government tells you that they are no longer going to take care of you, you start paying attention and become more desperate to either get a job or start a business. You reap what you sow.


    Just look at the last quarterly GDP report. The biggest component was made up by consumer spending financed by debt and government spending. How sustainable is it for a country to sustain that when national debt stands at $16 trillion, much more than GDP, and many multiples of central government revenues?


    Here's your homework:






    7 Nov 2012, 04:31 AM Reply Like
  • Well done, WMARKW. At least 1 person is paying attention.
    7 Nov 2012, 05:58 AM Reply Like
  • I am going to close my retail business. All risk, no reward is the forecast and my lease is up in February.
    7 Nov 2012, 06:38 AM Reply Like
  • Yes. And business owners dumped their French wine when France was against us going to war in Iraq. Yet, American businesses and even French restaurants continued to thrive.
    7 Nov 2012, 06:44 AM Reply Like
  • Tip on political strategy for retaking control of the Senate -- the "Pro Rape" platform doesn't work very well
    6 Nov 2012, 11:50 PM Reply Like
  • The republicans should be thanking democrats for knocking those 2 morons out of their seats.
    7 Nov 2012, 12:36 AM Reply Like
  • Legitimate loss
    7 Nov 2012, 01:17 AM Reply Like
  • And what about the morons like Ried, Pelosi, Waters, etc.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:28 AM Reply Like
  • True, there is lots of blame to go around from both parties. The kooks on the right and the kooks on the left are equally scary.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:03 AM Reply Like
  • Pelosi can now pack for the Betty Ford Clinic so she isn't mistaken for Kathryn Hepburn any more in Charlie Rose interviews.


    First budget cut, Ms. Pelosi's bar tab aboard USG aircraft.
    7 Nov 2012, 05:57 AM Reply Like
  • Marijuana legal in CO, probably WA and OR too. $PM
    7 Nov 2012, 12:08 AM Reply Like
  • mo or pm for buds?
    7 Nov 2012, 01:53 AM Reply Like
  • It got defeated here in Oregon. The dealers probably like it that way. It means a bigger pay day.
    Although, it is everywhere with the quasi legalization of "medical" weed.
    7 Nov 2012, 03:09 AM Reply Like
  • i messed that up. MO is in US.
    7 Nov 2012, 08:28 AM Reply Like
  • "Taxation follows public debt, and in its train wretchedness and
    -- Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kerchival, Monticello, 1816
    7 Nov 2012, 12:09 AM Reply Like
  • Not if you hide it as "off budget items" like most of the war spending that the previous president to Obama liked to hide.


    The debts are very much a reflection of tax cuts during Bushes term, in addition to out of control spending by BOTH parties.


    If you explode spending on warfare, and cut taxes for those who are well off, you leave it to the next president to clean up. Brilliant.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:47 AM Reply Like
  • Only problem is the next President hasn't cleaned up anything, but made the mess even bigger.


    Who will pay for the massive Health Care Bill?


    At the current rate of debt monetization, the Fed will. We're printing money so illegal Mexicans have thousands of dollars of medical care for free. This is an anecdotal fact told to me by my pharmacist at university medical center in my hometown.


    And the Asians are losing interest in our Treasuries.


    We're literally going broke as a country, and the system is already broken.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:58 AM Reply Like
  • Used to be like that - not any more.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:02 AM Reply Like
  • I agree that we cant afford the health care bill. I agree we are going broke, and that the system is broken.


    But its a reflection of the entire system, and both parties. It has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives.


    I would scrap the system and start over. In my dreams. Lets take back our country, from the POLITICIANS.


    I want pragmatic intellectual thinkers on both sides of the aisle, with thoughtful solutions, that can move our country out of the sinkhole we are in. And compromise.


    I'm not an OBAMA fan. But I voted for the lesser of two know the rest.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:27 AM Reply Like
  • Exactly. "less of two (evils)..."


    It is precisely that type of rationalization that allows for someone like Obama to rise to power and make bad policy decisions in the belief that a second term now grants him a pure mandate to do anything.


    Hypothetically, what if the decision was between a Hitler and a Mussolini? Who would you pick as the lesser of two evils?


    The most rational thing you could've done is to not vote at all. To not participate, and encourage the bastards.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:32 AM Reply Like
  • Sammy Lee: did you follow your own advice? Did you not vote?


    Hypothetically: I would shoot both Hitler and Mussolini--in my dreams--in reality I would go to the gulags.


    Lets be clear: Neither of the two men (leaving out third party candidates) are Hitler or Mussolini. I believe both men want whats best for the country. They happen to disagree.


    I'm not a fan of either one. I like the policies of one slightly better than the policies of the other, but I dislike the healthcare bill immensely, and I think both parties are bankrupting us.
    7 Nov 2012, 03:07 AM Reply Like
  • I am tellin you. Buy those PHYSICAL metals..AND SOON!!!
    7 Nov 2012, 04:02 AM Reply Like
  • Republicans are running out of angry white men. Need a new strategy, folks. Too vulnerable to the kookiest parts of the right wing fringe. The losses didn't happen because "people weren't conservative enough", it's because they were either scary nuts (Senate races) or plutocrats (Mitt).


    The GOP needs to take a *really* hard look at what happened tonight in Colorado, what used to be a reliable red state -- that demographic shift is the future guys, better learn from it.


    You guys can spew all you want about people wanting hand outs. But this was a vulnerable incumbent and the GOP totally f*cked up a ripe opportunity. Need to stop listening to Fox and Limbaugh, and making buffoons like Palin into stars.
    7 Nov 2012, 12:37 AM Reply Like
  • Leaving out Ron Paul was also a huge mistake. Point of alienation for Republican youths. Clinton stood in as the model democrat. Who do the Repubs have? W.?
    7 Nov 2012, 12:56 AM Reply Like
  • >>>The GOP needs to take a *really* hard look at what happened tonight in Colorado, what used to be a reliable red state -- that demographic shift is the future guys, better learn from it.<<<


    That shift you're speaking of are the diseased liberals from CA moving to CO and trying to turn the state into the same cesspool they left. I know, I was born and raised in CO and we used to go to Boulder all the time just to play with all the zombie chicks. I moved to AZ in '86 to escape what I knew what was eventually coming.


    The CA liberals are trying the same BS here in AZ as they did in CO... thankfully we're on to their game, and keep them locked in their pens like the good little pets they are.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:02 AM Reply Like
  • I certainly hope that the GOP can find new leadership to get behind, someone with a new view on how to take the party forward. I truly believe Americans are ready for someone who will lead us towards a more fiscally responsible path, but do so in a way where the sacrifices will be more equally shared, and drop the kookie fringe social sh*t.


    You make a very poignant point about ex-presidents. Clinton was a campaign star, while the GOP was forced to keep the Bush's in hiding.


    The GOP deserves better. The nation deserves better.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:04 AM Reply Like
  • Yeah, that's the way -- don't learn from losses. Keep telling yourself that "Mitt lost because he wasn't conservative enough".


    Like I said, the GOP is running out of angry white men.


    What happened today in CO is the story of demographics and women. But make sure to keep race-baiting Latinos (an AZ speciality) and nominating pro-rape Senatorial candidates. That way, the GOP can gradually become a permanent opposition party.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:18 AM Reply Like
  • There is no longer a Republican pragmatist approach to governing...its all pandering to the Kooks, and the scorched earthers.


    I voted McCain last time, but the replutocrats get scarier and scarier.


    Fear not facts was the overarching game plan.


    "Don't elect Obama, hell takes your guns away."


    Seriously? Thats what the mantra is?


    I could've voted for a centrist Republican with real integrity, but Mitt wasn't IT.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:52 AM Reply Like
  • Not a liberal disease but an awakening to the realities of the failure of the war on drugs, and the colossal waste of human potential by locking up so many of our population. WE have the largest prison population per capita on the planet, and its significantly drug related.


    Libertarians want the government out of our lives. There not all diseased Liberals, as we her in Alaska also liked our legal pot, and that was from a Libertarian base.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:56 AM Reply Like
  • Agreed, I would vote for a GOP candidate that was pragmatic, but not Mitt.


    He isn't pragmatic, he is a chameleon.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:59 AM Reply Like
  • Yes, agreed, Ron Paul would have been the ideal candidate. There is a man with integrity, and courage, and a face for radio.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:01 AM Reply Like
  • Losses because of the dependency crowd that is more than happy to vote for dems who continue to pay them to buy their loyalty.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:03 AM Reply Like
  • WMARKW: Statistically, the red states have higher levels of joblessness, so it might actually be the case that red state voters vote against their interest because they have been captured by the social conservative fear-mongering.


    They vote Rebub. in spite of their need for social assistance.


    Lots of jobless, and homeless poor and middle class voters against Dems because of social conservative issues.


    Lots of middle class and upper middle class business owners, and working, vote Dem, even though they aren't poor.


    I think you need to rework your narrative.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:35 AM Reply Like
  • Mr. Paul was prevented from running for President for obvious reasons by the GOP during "private" party proceedings to avoid scandal. Too many skeletons for any closet.


    Mr. Paul is quite aware as to why, and that's the reason he kept quiet after the fact, you haven't heard a peep from him, have you?
    7 Nov 2012, 05:55 AM Reply Like
  • Republicans aren't going to win anymore if they keep catering to a small group of selfless guys who want all the benefits of a civilized society but don't want to pay taxes for it.


    Demographics are destroying the republicans too. The Hispanic population growth keeps on....
    14 Nov 2012, 10:19 AM Reply Like
  • >>> Republicans aren't going to win anymore if they keep catering to a small group of selfless guys who want all the benefits of a civilized society but don't want to pay taxes for it.


    Demographics are destroying the republicans too. The Hispanic population growth keeps on.... <<<


    You're funny... Dems are just as bad when it comes to not wanting to pay taxes. I don't ever recall hearing Warren Buffet donating an extra billion $$$ on his tax bill to the government, just because he's a nice guy... do you?


    Regarding Hispanics... I say bring'em all in in. Us republicans love cheap labor. Those white boys are getting way too expensive to employ... plus they're lazy. I'd love nothing better than to fire all the union employees and replace them with Hispanic workers. Maybe then our economy would finally pick up.
    14 Nov 2012, 11:00 AM Reply Like
  • ANON


    We usually don't agree on a lot of things but your spot on here. My daughter was apalled that a raped women would be forced to bring that child full term. She said that the party was living in the stone ages.


    She also knows about the flipping on this postion by MITT...The younger generation will be voting as a majority for years to come..


    If the Republican party doesn't change it may actually force a third party in a few years !
    14 Nov 2012, 01:47 PM Reply Like
  • Republicans want to cut the deficit and they are not accepting tax hikes for the rich.


    What should we do? Do we cut aid to people that have been injured in tragic accidents? Do we cut aid to unemployed people? Do we cut social security...which a lot of seniors depend on?


    Or we raise taxes to those who can muster such a hit like the wealthy?
    14 Nov 2012, 07:53 PM Reply Like
  • ANON


    I had a argument with a poster who felt injured people should be the states, or societies problem. Not the Federeal govt...Thats how bad some people's thoughts have gone...


    Sure, wait for a neighborhood lemon sale to pay for my lost leg, amazing !!
    14 Nov 2012, 08:01 PM Reply Like
  • Now Obama can finish the job of destroying America.
    7 Nov 2012, 12:47 AM Reply Like
  • Well Bush really DID destroy Iraq. And if destroying America means health care provision for all, i'm all in favor of it.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:44 AM Reply Like
  • Clearly anyone that you disagree with is EVIL.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:57 AM Reply Like
  • Iraq destroyed themselves.


    Don't let the wave of "religious ideology" that swept over your island paradise, influence or cloud your judgement.


    Iraq wasn't about oil, if it was, gasoline would be $0.25 a gallon.
    7 Nov 2012, 05:54 AM Reply Like
  • and Obama stood by and watched four Americans being murdered in Benghazi and them covered it up with the help of the left wing media.
    7 Nov 2012, 09:46 AM Reply Like
  • I'm still looking for the WMD we went to war in Iraq for...


    Of course... if Michael Jackson didn't die, and we didn't invade Iraq, we might have a democratic Iran for three years now
    7 Nov 2012, 09:51 AM Reply Like
  • As a gold and silver investor I could not be happier with the result.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:02 AM Reply Like
  • Short term bear, long term bullish - the combination of obama's green jobs, health care and the wealth effect of QE will boost job growth and enable bernanke to normalize rates sooner than expected - a virtuous circle.


    Okay who am I kidding. Long physical metals, long oil, long SNAP card embossing companies are the only plays.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:21 AM Reply Like
  • david


    ditto....ditto....Time to add as well....Dollar is now on life support!!
    7 Nov 2012, 04:06 AM Reply Like


    Others are already looking ahead!!
    7 Nov 2012, 04:22 AM Reply Like
  • So spending unimaginable amounts of money to produce ads that are at best misleading won't get a puppet candidate elected. Rove, Norquist, Armey et. al. will need a new strategy in four years, but for now, it will be back to the party of no.
    7 Nov 2012, 01:46 AM Reply Like
  • Hendershott: But will they learn, or will they continue to obstruct and block anything across the aisle?
    7 Nov 2012, 02:37 AM Reply Like
  • Yup Hendershott.


    Republicans still living in 1988. Romney and Bush Sr. won the same percentage of the white vote. Of course, for Bush Sr., that meant over 400 electoral college votes whereas it barely nudged Romney over 200.


    Demographics of the country (and of those who show up at the polls) has changed.


    Thus, if the Republicans and their PACs want to spend bags of money making advertisements that primarily target white voters, they will fail.


    Romney is now the Republican John Kerry, someone with an implausibly easy election to win that he managed to blow.
    7 Nov 2012, 06:35 AM Reply Like
  • Well, the tea party lost some steam so there's a small chance of cooperation in the Senate. The quality of the tea party candidates was astounding actually. Linda Mcmahon, Akin, Mourdoch. Actual wingnuts. The GOP can't try to get people like these in office and have much credibility.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:49 AM Reply Like
  • Yep, there are wingnuts on both sides of the aisle. Wonder what makes people vote for them? I guess the party machines somehow control the system? I've seen it locally and I refused to vote for the party machine favorite. I voted the independent candidate instead as a protest.


    Then almost have to be a wingnut to wanna be a politician.
    7 Nov 2012, 02:58 AM Reply Like
  • Both guys were going to be useless anyway. Problems are way out of their control..


    Somehow we need to take our country back, feel the pain, and try to make life easier for our kids maybe 10 years from now.
    7 Nov 2012, 04:09 AM Reply Like
  • fdr's "second ten bill of rights"
    now fully operational.
    took the left over 70 years to
    get them imbedded in the us,
    but they finally got them.
    7 Nov 2012, 04:36 AM Reply Like
  • So now that the GOP failed in the only goal it set for itself and the only thing it tried to proactively do over the last 4 years... are they going to now try to actually do something useful?
    7 Nov 2012, 08:24 AM Reply Like
  • Tricky question ;-)
    7 Nov 2012, 08:25 AM Reply Like
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