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Nokia (NOK) is seeking to block the sale of most RIM (RIMM) products in the U.S., Canada and...

Nokia (NOK) is seeking to block the sale of most RIM (RIMM) products in the U.S., Canada and U.K. through the enforcement of the ruling of an arbitrator, which found in favor of the Finnish company in a dispute over patents related to its wireless local access network (WLAN) technology. The arbitrator, the firm says, ruled that RIM is "not entitled to manufacture or sell WLAN products without first agreeing royalties with Nokia."
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  • turtledividend
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    http://bit.ly/RhGLAO

     

    Another positive news w/ pps being driven down after a bounce. Shorts are going strong and traders are taking in profits. Not a surprise. Im holding long, and Q4 will be the welcome party. Longs should take a break following NOK, it is worse than sleep apnea.
    28 Nov 2012, 05:15 AM Reply Like
  • dickboy
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    Will see
    I have gotten beat up bad on this. Jumped in when they first announced they were going to produce a windows based smart phone. Purchase it not once but twice my average on it is over $6.00 not one of my better moves
    28 Nov 2012, 05:39 AM Reply Like
  • DR.G
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    @dickboy

     

    Just hold on and wait for it to turn around I bought in at $5.60 thinking they had hit bottom, but NSN is doing well now, Nevteq is doing well, and WP8 will overtime do well also. Mr. Elop had no choice but to dump Symban and go with another OS.
    28 Nov 2012, 06:47 AM Reply Like
  • turtledividend
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    "Life is empty and meaningless, and that life is empty and meaningless is empty and meaningless."

     

    You will be fine dickboy. Cut your loses if its a small position, or hold if it exceeds the write off limit.
    28 Nov 2012, 07:29 AM Reply Like
  • css1971
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    Sorry. Elop massacred lots of existing shareholders. I reckon it'll be back up around your average somewhere mid to late 2013.
    28 Nov 2012, 03:54 PM Reply Like
  • kontizasg
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    I think Lumia 920 will be the suprize of the year. My target for Nokia is 7,00 $
    28 Nov 2012, 07:24 AM Reply Like
  • sreimer77
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    Lumia is sold out in the US, Germany and many other locals. Forecasts are so low that any sales data demonstrating better then worst case is gonna cause NOK to climb higher. However, when actual results come out and are that much better, then the sky is its limits. RIMM the same too.
    28 Nov 2012, 08:23 AM Reply Like
  • jtalpha75
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    More cash in the kettle for NOK, cheaters like RIMM will have to cough it up, no wonder there stock is down, there just went 100 million
    28 Nov 2012, 08:30 AM Reply Like
  • css1971
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    It's just business. RIMM have patents on technology Nokia will want to use as well.

     

    Totally stifles innovation though. Kills the small guy, but if you're a large company not having a MAD patent portfolio is suicide.
    28 Nov 2012, 03:58 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    I expect the real fallout from the 'patent wars' going on now, with all these companies who had never aggressively monetized their patents before is going to be pain to the consumer but not in terms of 'stifled competition.'

     

    Before Apple initiated the Great Patent Wars, cross-licensing was very very common in the tech world, with no one really wanting or caring all that much, to bother wading through all the hundreds and thousands of highly technical patents, and preferring instead to sign broad deals covering use of each other's technology in favor of moving technology forward. There were pure patent royalty companies, but they were openly known and despised as Patent Trolls. Entities that didn't produce products, but just collected royalties.

     

    It appears that Apple felt that it was so innovative and so heavily copied that it decided to sue instead of license. And once tech heavyweights like Apple made this common practice, instead of calling it 'patent trolling' we now call it 'monetizing patent portfolios'.

     

    The end result of all this, is that yes, innovative companies are getting a return on their innovation. But the cost is being increasingly born by the consumer.

     

    A bill of materials for an average smartphone today may be a couple of hundred $$. The patent royalties may increase the cost to the end user by an equivalent amount in the not too distant future, and are likely already in the $40+ range for many devices.

     

    So, patents are not really stifling competition anymore, like they did breifly when the Patent Wars first picked up steam, because licensing is happening, but the dollar value of patent royalties being paid has risen significantly over time. And the consumer ends up paying for it.

     

    But perhaps that's the way it should be, anyway.
    28 Nov 2012, 06:38 PM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    Very nice insights @kmi, IMO, analyst not withstanding, in next year or so, you will see markets pay special premium to those companies that hold key patent "jewels."

     

    It is interesting to note that this year, thanks to Apple and buyout of Motorola by Google, patent portfolio is now being considered to be a valuable part of a company/business and being closely watched by analyst.
    28 Nov 2012, 11:43 PM Reply Like
  • Tim Bee
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    Doesn't this kind of thing happen all of the time? What's the big deal? They had a disagreement over whether the technology was covered by a previous agreement and now that a court has given its ruling, another agreement will be reached.
    28 Nov 2012, 08:33 AM Reply Like
  • jtalpha75
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    the circumstances. As Jefferies analyst Peter Misek told AllThingsD, “We think RIM has to settle, likely a royalty rate of $2 to $5 per handsets …MORE cash to NOKIA bottomline
    28 Nov 2012, 04:38 PM Reply Like
  • jose6980
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    I am long and in at $6. Lumia is a great product, my concern is that Nokia foes not have a marketing budget to tell it's story. When I show friends the 920, they say "never heard anything about this phone or I thought Nokia had gone out of business". Nokia needs to promote itself. MS and ATT are doing a poor job promoting Nokia and Lumia.
    28 Nov 2012, 08:43 AM Reply Like
  • jammerculture
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    In Canada, the W8 and Lumia commercials are starting to run non stop. The Rogers Lumia commercial is especially heartbreaking since I'm not with Rogers!
    28 Nov 2012, 09:13 AM Reply Like
  • css1971
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    The 920 intro video on youtube has had nearly 2 million views (a wee bit to go yet), far more than the iPhone 5 video despite the difference in consumer awareness and while I would definitely describe it as Phone Porn, it's just a straight forward product video.

     

    http://bit.ly/TZvuVD

     

    If you're a stockholder pass it around. :)

     

    Compare and contrast with the rather paternalistic, smug, prissy and Oh My God, insipid condescension oozing from the Apple intro video for the iPhone 5:

     

    http://bit.ly/10YbnJb

     

    They're also on twitter & facebook so I think it's a "new media" marketing campaign to start with, people will "discover" the 920 by themselves from friends etc.

     

    Plus we've seen they're selling out everything they ship already. They could push a huge TV campaign only to fall flat on their faces unable to supply. NOK's number 2 & was number 1 just a short while ago, so you'll *know* when their campaign hits full stride.
    28 Nov 2012, 04:38 PM Reply Like
  • akoshi
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    what are the chances of nokia stalling any bb10 devices??
    haha
    28 Nov 2012, 09:14 AM Reply Like
  • juhanishen
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    http://bit.ly/V6aUPd

     

    Lumia 920 in HK number 2 and 8 even they are not in stock.

     

    The time is 28.11.2012 GMT +2 17:39
    28 Nov 2012, 10:39 AM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    Samsung is trying to undercut Nokia Lumia 920 on price, I guess it is picking up a page from Nokia's pricing strategy on Lumia 920. To me it means that Lumia is truly kicking Samsung's tail - again IMO a bullish sign.

     

    Samsung has deeper pockets and a much hefty cash reserve - so Nokia needs to fill up its product portfolio quickly, next year I think Nokia will be launching at least 2 to 3 new products in different product categories (Tablet/TV, rich accessories, location based applications/services, etc.). Just my 2 cents.
    28 Nov 2012, 11:54 PM Reply Like
  • Markusei23
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    Nokia grasping for air. RIMM hit in the face again. The beatings will continue until morale improves. Buy more RIM!
    28 Nov 2012, 01:46 PM Reply Like
  • amaglio649
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    I am fortunate to be long the stock at $2.60, but I feel the better play is to buy the long term call options. January 2015 $4 call options can still be had for about $1.00. That gives the company a full 2 years to grow.
    28 Nov 2012, 03:42 PM Reply Like
  • oneinfiniteloop
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    Funny, just about 2 months back $3 call was available at that price :)
    28 Nov 2012, 11:57 PM Reply Like
  • gwynfryn
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    Where can I get shares of patent lawyers?
    29 Nov 2012, 08:29 AM Reply Like
  • activistinvestor
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    It seems that NOK is conducting their advertising overseas. Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon and T-mobile are advertising the "Windows Phone 8" OS here in the states which is essentially Nokia's U.S. advertising.

     

    LONG-NOK & MSFT
    30 Nov 2012, 02:33 PM Reply Like
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