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The Interior Department says it may have to reject seven deepwater drilling permits if a federal judge forces the government to make a quick decision. Judge Martin Feldman ordered regulators to make a decision by the end of the month; the government plans to appeal.
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  • Karen Consumer
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    I like this sentence best "Lawyers for London-based Ensco PLC, a global drilling company which brought the lawsuit, didn't respond to a request for comment late Friday." POTUS isn't going to be happy until gas is $5 a gallon.
    5 Mar 2011, 03:07 PM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    It is in the best interest of the Administration to drag its feet. They have no love for either big business or big oil. They can enhance their relationship with the environmental crowd who want nothing to do with oil by slowing the process and at the same time the Administration can point out the merits of electric vehicles such as their favorite the Volt.
    5 Mar 2011, 05:17 PM Reply Like
  • wyostocks
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    Lets hear it for the Volt. VOLT VOLT VOLT RAH RAH RAH.......
    What a frigging sham.....................
    5 Mar 2011, 05:28 PM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    Chevy sold only 281 Volts in February after a rousing 321 in January. The future is all tied up in these things. The future aint looking too bright for Government Motors.
    5 Mar 2011, 05:56 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    Wait, what? A car in which its biggest(only) merit is nothing more than a low fuel expense, that costs 40k, isn't selling well?!
    5 Mar 2011, 06:19 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    I imagine that normal people don't want to drop 40k on a brand new vehicle that is somewhat unproven, and then have problems with it a few years down the road.
    5 Mar 2011, 07:10 PM Reply Like
  • Joe Morgan
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    The volt price is too high, at that price you could buy a new Mercedes Benz or BMW.....

     

    And the sad part is the malfeasance of taxpayers funds to prop the Union and the worst managed car manufacturer in the US....
    5 Mar 2011, 07:18 PM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Hey Joe Crash......we don't even want to mention how we propped up WALL STREET with billions and billions of taxpayers funds. No malfeasance there.......it was MALFEASANCE!!!!!
    5 Mar 2011, 11:37 PM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Who the he!! should love big business? Don't you remember the Gulf Oil Spill, the EXON Valdez, and probably a thousand other unpublicized spills. Why do they get 20 billion dollars a year in subsidies and "Joe Plumber" can't get a 50 cent an hour raise. Don't you remember the Iraq war? That wasn't about oil was it? That didn't cost the taxpayers TRILLIONS did it. Don't you remember how Wall Street brought the nations economy to it's knees, put millions of workers out of work while garnering huge bonuses? Moose please do everything you can possibly do to WAKE UP!!!!
    6 Mar 2011, 12:04 AM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    Yeah who needs big business, to hell with them. Except oh wait, I forgot they provide us with food, shelter, water, electricity, heat, transportation, household items, cell phones, internet and pretty much everything else that we need to live, and you had better believe that oil is tied up in ALL of that. So if you are pissed about oil spills and the like, either stop using oil, or actually devise a 100% safe way to drill, process, refine and ship petroleum products across the globe (or option C: stop bitching).
    6 Mar 2011, 12:41 AM Reply Like
  • ebworthen
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    Exactly correct.

     

    Thieves thumb you down when they don't want you to know they are thieves.
    6 Mar 2011, 03:42 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Wake up already, renewable energy is about energy security in a world of Libyas, Nigerias and commodity hoarding Chinese.

     

    The oil-is-king crowd is last generation thinking and is blatantly short sighted and ignorant.

     

    Oil at $100 isn't competitive with renewables and new gen frakking has unleashed loads of new domestic supply.

     

    When you oil partisans get real you'll wake up to a brave new world. Energy security is about stopping the export of US wealth to middle east dictators and nations like Venezuela and Iran who have no love for us. Energy security is about AMERICAN jobs for AMERICANS and about productivity gains for GENERATIONS.

     

    And Obama was the guy looking to expand drilling, and now he is not, and that was BP's fault.

     

    And Obama supported cap-and-trade, which was universally supported by energy and utility companies but fought by political partisans, just like healthcare, which boosts their bottom line, was supported by healthcare companies, but fought on a partisan political level.

     

    You partisans are so blinded by your politics you don't care to see what's right in front of you.

     

    And Obama didn't invent the Volt the market created demand for it. Witness the fact that US automakers are AGAIN behind the curve with Mitsu Nissan and friends all delivering products while US - including Ford - flounders. And still its all oil oil oil blah blah blah.

     

    Wake up. Stop supporting dictators, the export of the nations wealth, and the offshoring of american energy.
    6 Mar 2011, 04:27 AM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    I am awake and you can see by the time it is early too, but I still have no idea what your rant has to do with me, Monngle.My plumber, gets $60 per hour plus travel time, and he earns it.I don't work for big oil or big business. I'm not in a union nor have I ever been.I think that I'd rather make love than make war. "I ain't no fortunate son."So, what's your beef with me?
    6 Mar 2011, 06:30 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Ehhhhhh well did you have breakfast?

     

    Because well, I can yell that too I guess "Have Breakfast! Something heart-healthy preferably, and maybe a multivitamin..."

     

    Umm...

     

    "Or maybe not, we don't want folks living too long since social sec and medicare are going broke..."
    6 Mar 2011, 06:56 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Volt is sold out through at least May...
    6 Mar 2011, 06:58 AM Reply Like
  • Joe Morgan
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    You sound bitter, mongie.....let me guess...you are unemployed, thus your jealousy towards Wall Street is evident.......

     

    Don't patronize us, we are too intelligent for the old diatribe and ignorant socialist propaganda mustered by your master Obama....

     

    The volt is a worthless piece of car....
    I don't care about your senile claims....go spew the socialist propaganda in the New York Socialist Time...

     

    Wall Street is an efficient capital allocator, mongie you should salute them....
    6 Mar 2011, 07:16 AM Reply Like
  • Neil459
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    kml, re: Volt, a lot of people buy crack and give their money to casinos. Just because an action is popular does not make it particularly smart. After all the President is on a reckless path to force oil up to over $5 or $6 per barrel and people are scared enough to do anything. Again does not make it smart.
    6 Mar 2011, 08:42 AM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    I work in the oilfield but I still think it would be great to switch to renewables. However, our current technology is not capable of replacing what oil does for us. Granted they have windmills and electric cars and all that, but what about trucks, trains, planes, heavy equipment etc. You want to build windmills?? guess what, you will need a ship to bring the parts over, A truck to get them to the jobsite, and a crane to construct it, not to mention all the support vehicles.

     

    Like it or not the world still runs on diesel fuel, although you might not notice that if you haven't been out in the real world doing real work. Granted there is BioDiesel available, but not in the amounts needed to keep civilization running, and it is debatable whether it is even possible to grow that much feed stock. Until we see a major breakthrough, oil will be king.
    6 Mar 2011, 10:21 AM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    How does an oil guy feel about the Pickens Plan?
    6 Mar 2011, 10:41 AM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    Apparently not at the retail level since they only sold 281 in February. Maybe with the GE and Government orders that have been reported production is maxed out.
    6 Mar 2011, 11:37 AM Reply Like
  • whoyodaddy
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    KMI
    I appreciate your sincerity and agree that the USA will be much better off when we no longer have to send dollars to the overseas oil producers, but don't appreciate your solution of selectively punishing American oil producers for actually diminishing, not increasing, the oil dollar export. Furthermore, to punish a Gulf Coast oil industry for its 1st major mistake in 48,000 attempts would be tantamount to a governmental cessation of automobiles because of 1 accident death (~41000 deaths/year over 20 years), or stopping surgery because of 1 medical malpractice, or God forbid, stopping Congress because of 1 bad decision.

     

    You say that at $100/barrel, oil is not competitive to renewables. Are you crazy? To the silly contrary, at that oil price, wind and solar will NEVER compete with fossil fuels. For that matter, at that price, milk isn't competitive to oil either.

     

    You say cap and trade was universally supported by energy and utility companies. How are you doing your research-the partisan NYT?

     

    You say Obama's healthcare , was supported by healthcare companies. As a healthcare provider, I ask are you serious? OK, you're right-the hallowed AMA supported it, I concede; but who is the AMA? They are comprised of only 17% of American physicians and of those, about 80% are university based. University based means their patient load is only 10-30% that of a private practitioner. What this boils down to is that America's healthcare decision to potentially triple the yearly number of patient visits has been led by people who don't now and surely won't after enactment make a significant contribution to those absolute number of healthcare visits.

     

    You say "you partisans are so blinded by your politics you don't care to see what's right in front of you". Who is the nonobjective partisan here blindly following our leaders attempt at "de-developing" this country?

     

    6 Mar 2011, 11:54 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Neil: who cares why they buy it, I'm responding to the far flung ridiculousness that somehow Obama and the Volt are connected....

     

    Personally I like Ford's Fusion hybrid more anyway. That was a market response too, but no one is linking it to Obama here for some reason...
    6 Mar 2011, 02:19 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Whoyodaddy:

     

    I switched some of my boilers to NG already, can you say 30% fuel savings?

     

    I am implementing renewables on my buildings as we speak, my money is where my mouth is.

     

    And a lot of what you are saying is flat out wrong, talk to Pickens. And a lot of the rest of your post is wrong too but I can't bother to refute everything right now.
    6 Mar 2011, 02:25 PM Reply Like
  • wyostocks
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    kmi: "somehow Obama and the Volt are connected"
    Ford didn't take Obamas ( pardon me, the American taxpayers) money; thats why......................
    6 Mar 2011, 02:41 PM Reply Like
  • JohnLocke
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    KMI: It's kind of ironic that you use the term "brave new world"

     

    Any chance you have read the book of the same name by Aldous Huxley...
    6 Mar 2011, 03:54 PM Reply Like
  • Poor Texan
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    And electricity ain't cheap either.
    6 Mar 2011, 04:47 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    Nat gas is great for electricity and heat, but I am not really convinced on it's viability for transportation. I mean, it would work, but it requires high pressure tanks on the vehicle, plus you have somewhat limited range from what I have heard, I think it works well for fleet vehicles that are used in cities and towns and stuff. Personally I like having a Gasoline or Diesel truck that can drive several hundred miles or idle for a couple of days (very handy when you are on a jobsite and the outdoor temp is -20).

     

    Overall I think Pickens has good ideas, but I am sure his plan involves lining his own pockets at every chance, not that there is anything wrong with that, just take his ideas with a grain of salt.
    6 Mar 2011, 06:37 PM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    Thanks for the thoughts and your input. He is touting NG for big rigs as a starting point and it sounds like you have reservations there. Of course, he will profit from the implementation, that is to be expected.
    Thanks
    6 Mar 2011, 06:43 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    I have really only heard some soundbites of his plan, so I might not fully understand the details.
    6 Mar 2011, 06:48 PM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    No one is advocating doing away with big business. I'm just advocating NOT letting them run roughshod over the American People and this wonderful world we live in. I understand there are risks involved in drilling for oil, but, those risks can be minimize with reasonable regulation and a responsible oil industry. We don't have either. The Gulf oil spill probably could have been avoided if BP did short change safety and oh wait, they would be billions of dollars richer if they invested a few hundred K in that safety. You brought every big business in the country into this discussion and I don't have the time or the inclination to address all of them, but, I'll hit on a few. Electricity is by and large produced in the USA with coal, a very dirty and environmentally unfriendly resource. There are a number of things that makes sense to use coal for, electricity is to some extent one of them. However, alternate sources should be brought on line starting NOW. Advances in efficiency will continue to make wind and photovoltaic competitive with coal, especially if you factor in all of the hidden costs of burning coal. In fact, if you factor in those hidden costs they are probably competitive now. Transportation could, over a period of time use Compressed or Liquefied Natural Gas. Electric power generation could use it as well. Just these two things if embraced would probably make us energy independent. This independence will ultimately sever the cords of foreign entanglements that keep us lock into wars for oil and keep killing innocent people and our own sons and daughters. And for all you financiers out there, make you rich. The internet, how about net neutrality? If we don't have net neutrality big telecons will milk us for all we're worth. And, OH BY THE WAY, the internet may not have been invented by Al Gore, but, it was funded and developed by the American Taxpayer. So yes, I'm pissed at oil spills when there are alternatives, I'm pissed at sending our nations wealth to countries that hate us, I pissed at sending our Sons and Daughters to get their asses shot off for oil. and I pissed at big business that takes our tax breaks for the wealthy and invest it in emerging markets instead of the GOOD OLD USA. They are sitting on a trillion dollars of this countries wealth blackmailing us into doing away with corporate taxes. I'm going for my Option D..........Keep bitching until something's done about this $#!+. And you would benefit from doing the same!
    7 Mar 2011, 03:51 AM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Basically, it's your veiled criticism of our President that has probably been better to big business that any president in resent history. He can't be faulted for the economy.....this is going to be GW's economy for a longggggg time. The NOT SO CONSERVATIVES that spent our asses into oblivion and brought the world economy to it's knees own that one. We were so in debt when GW got done with us that we had to borrow to make any progress at all getting out of the near depression they put us in. And then they blame President Obama for the debt. I apologize if I implicated you in some of the "Right wing nut" discussion that sets the tone for this blog, and yes.......I do my own plumbing whenever I can, but, it's also sad to say that 60 bucks an hour is only a living wage in this day and age.
    7 Mar 2011, 04:08 AM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    GO KMI !!!!!!!!!
    7 Mar 2011, 04:11 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Wyo wyo wyo... you are so uninformed... Bush originated the automaker bailout and Ford has received hundred of millions of Obama money for retooling factories to produce electrics and hybrids.
    7 Mar 2011, 07:37 AM Reply Like
  • whoyodaddy
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    KMI
    I'm glad to hear of your switch to NG-I assume that means 'natural gas'. It's the most sensible choice presently (although it still provides CO2, but at 30% less than oil) but I'm perplexed that you support NG, and simultaneously condemn "big oil companies." You must realize that NG too is a fossil fuel- not a renewable- and is drilled for by technology, people, and "big oil companies" that you complain about and who Obama's group is attempting to regulate out of business when they intimate they may have to reject 7 deep water projects. BTW, that same Obama's group is presently investigating whether they will continue to allow "frakking" (i.e.structure fracturing) in the horizontal plays. If that happens and they regulate that out of existence-as they did with deep water-say bye to $3.50 mcf NG price and look for your old boilers.

     

    Again, I'm confused when you use Pickens -I assume you mean T. Boone- to refute my argument that renewables are not competitive with $100 oil. To my point, he has pulled the plug on his wind farm project after realizing that after capitalization, operational expenses, maintenance, storage and transmission, periods of inactivity and subsequent replacement of infrastructure after wear, wind btu efficiency can't come close to oil btu@$100/barrel.

     

    I totally agree that the USA needs to shed the yoke of export oil dollars. The world complexion would change for the better, but pie-in-the-sky, emotional romanticizing will not help us. Not that there is not a place for renewables, they simply will not make the USA competitive on the world energy stage. It's furthermore ludicrous that Obama wishes to neuter the American oil industry, all the while facilitating a higher oil price that we Americans must pay to foreign companies and countries.

     

    Concluding, its fossil fuels, including NG, not wind, sun, or hydro that will carry this country in its transition to another fuel source. Its going to have to be nuclear in the last 75 years of this century-and we might as well understand that.
    7 Mar 2011, 08:52 AM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    Just one point about the Pickens wind farm, it was shelved when the transmission lines needed were unfunded by the utility to which the power was to be transmitted. Clearly Mr Pickens is not going to invest over a billion dollars of his own funds to build a wind farm to nowhere.
    7 Mar 2011, 09:21 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Whoyodaddy -

     

    If I am not being clear I will try and clarify the positions I took in this post:

     

    I support a sound energy security policy that will eventually lead the US to energy independence. For dozens of reasons, most of which we can all agree on.

     

    I support NG in the short term since - as the Pickens plan points out - it is the most expedient method by which we can achieve this, on the road to a renewable domestic energy infrastructure.

     

    I despise the traditional pro-oil paradigm since the same dollar for dollar investment made but in renewable energy would be the method by which we achieve this.

     

    I don't have an issue with the Volt since this is an example of American ingenuity, American technology, and is a direct competitor to products developed by other nations. Supporting american innovation and ingenuity should be self-explanatory but the biggest issue is that if we continue to handicap our domestic industries how can we in good faith complain when manufacturing is offshored to places where manufacturing is vibrant, when we offshore our innovation how can we expect to continue to lead. .

     

    I support renewable energy since it creates massive productivity increases and helps build GDP as a 1 time cap ex for which is a long term revenue generator.

     

    As for Obama - I am tired of partisan BS which blames him for things he didn't do, things he did do, things he thought of, how he looks, where he was raise... seriously, the political discourse in the country is a joke. He has attempted or succeeded to do a lot, failed or promoted a lot of stupid stuff, but most of the comments about the guy are partisan and ignorant, same with Bush, Clinton, or any other political figure. I'd rather discuss the issues than the man.
    7 Mar 2011, 10:31 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Oh yeah, Pickens - in an interview I saw - has a very specific dollar amount in crude and NG where renewables become price competitive. And $100 oil is above it. He shut down the wind thing for NG, not oil, and NG prices haven't budged in the latest geopolitical stuff so NG is likely still his choice at the moment.
    7 Mar 2011, 10:39 AM Reply Like
  • Wyatt Junker
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    Dude, the enter key. It makes paragraphs. Its next to your right pinky.
    7 Mar 2011, 12:04 PM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    I'm not clear on just where you live M but where I live and it's not in the cheap seats $60 an hour translates into a righteous sum of cash when compared to the median incomes in the SMSA. There a whole lot of people out there in America who think 120 large is more than a "only a living wage".
    7 Mar 2011, 01:52 PM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Let's see, what's the difference between bitter and just plain pissed. No, I'm not unemployed and I've been blessed by this country more than anyone will ever know. Obama isn't my master he's my President. I don't think you have any idea regarding the quality of the Volt, but, I'd rather push a Volt than send our wealth to oil producing countries that hate us. I'm a capitalist. I just happen to think that unrestrained capitalism will lead to slavery for most people. Wall Street is an efficient capital allocator alright. Especially when the taxpayers give them hundreds of billions of dollars to fix their errors and give big (make that huge) bonuses to the people that tanked the world economy. I wish I could have screwed up that bad and been rewarded so generously during my working life. Nothing senile about my claims unless facts can be senile!!!!! Eh Joey???
    7 Mar 2011, 03:23 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    Well we definitely don't have reasonable regulation....
    8 Mar 2011, 08:30 AM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Whoyodaddy........My sentiments exactly. Keep hammering it home, maybe they'll get it.
    9 Mar 2011, 03:12 AM Reply Like
  • Neil459
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    They will deny it anyway, its the way bullies work. No regard for common sense or the law.
    5 Mar 2011, 05:49 PM Reply Like
  • spald_fr
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    Too many conflicting governmental entities weighing in on what should be a strategic business decision. The 112th Congress could selectively de-fund these overlapping departments and send a message to the bureaucrats that times they are a'changing.
    5 Mar 2011, 05:53 PM Reply Like
  • Econdoc
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    Interior Department are morons. What do you expect?

     

    What is worse is that whole episode has been emblematic of Obama's lack of integrity and will to lead.

     

    It is Carter all over again. What a waste

     

    E
    5 Mar 2011, 05:58 PM Reply Like
  • Duude
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    Not so! Its Carter 2.0, new and improvised. This will do for Carter's legacy, what Windows ME did for Windows 98.
    5 Mar 2011, 06:26 PM Reply Like
  • ebworthen
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    Hey, we agree.
    6 Mar 2011, 03:43 AM Reply Like
  • Michael2343
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    Another failed attempt to control the price of oil
    5 Mar 2011, 11:15 PM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Let's forget about regulating the oil industry. Let's just pollute the entire planet. Doesn't anybody remember our recent oil spill in the Gulf????? How quickly smart people can forget the abuses of Big Oil when there's money involved. While we sit around and argue about how much freaking oil we can burn without restraint, the Chinese are putting everything they can into alternate sources of energy. By the time we get done arguing we will have to buy all windmills, photovoltaic cells, and any other innovative technology &#!+ from the Communists. I'm sure that will make "Capitalist" America very happy and prosperous.

     

    If we had continued the energy policies of Jimmy Carter and expanded on them our Sons And Daughters wouldn’t have had to get their asses shot off in the middle east we would be energy independent. TREASON???? How about lying to get us into an unnecessary and I would argue unjust war in Iraq killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, thousands of our Sons and Daughters and injuring tens of thousands more. I’d say the NEOCONS have cornered the market on TREASON. We would have been done in Afghanistan years ago if we hadn’t gone into Iraq. Regrettably, because of that NEOCON act of treason our Sons and Daughters are still getting killed and injured there. But, then again, if we continued Jimmy Carter’s energy policies we would not have had all those foreign entanglements which caused all this.

     

    GO VOLT - I'm buying one. It's AMERICAN......might just put a few people back to work.
    5 Mar 2011, 11:35 PM Reply Like
  • garyhall
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    The one thing I am not hearing is how the electricity is made for charging the Volt?

     

    I believe OIL and coal are the main electrical grids. So oil is still needed to charge the Volt.

     

    Now had we put in more nuclear plants that might be an other story.

     

    Just a thought.
    6 Mar 2011, 11:04 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Hey gary - who cares? That there is domestically produced energy by domestic coal and NG - very very little of the US's domestic energy from power plants comes from oil.
    6 Mar 2011, 02:27 PM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Right on.
    7 Mar 2011, 04:12 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    The amount of partisan BS about the Volt on a website which supposedly appeals to folks who have knowledge of business and the business world is absolutely mind boggling.

     

    As a businessman I couldn't even begin to break down the absolute ignorance in all the statements here.

     

    I'm going to count the partisans and ignorants here by the down thumbs on my posts. Cant wait.

     

    Go Palin!
    6 Mar 2011, 04:38 AM Reply Like
  • If U Say So
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    Partisan? Ignorance?
    As a businessman I always look at all the pros and cons of any purchase. Clearly, the best thing going for the Volt is its energy savings. The battery gets between 25 and 40 miles on a charge with an average of about 34 miles. The internal combustion engine kicks in as a generator to produce more electrical power after about 10-15 miles. GM estimates the car has an overall range of about 379 miles which gives it a gasoline comparable average mpg of about 60mpg. The car sells for $40280 but has a $7500 tax credit bringing the price down to approximately $32780. The battery pack is backed by a 100K/8yr warranty. General Motors hasn't made any guarantees regarding replacement cost but estimates are in the range of as low as $6500 to upwards of $8500 in 2011 dollars. This battery is expensive due to it being a Lithium-ion battery which are commonly used as laptop batteries. A Chevy Volt buyer won't have any historical data to rely upon with regards to the battery's actual life. Will it last 8 years and die or will it last 6 years and GM will discount down the replacement 25%? What we do know about lithium-ion batteries is they run real hot, and where you have heat and electrical components you generally don't have long life.
    On the other hand, you could buy a Toyota Prius. The Toyota Prius sells for $23810, gets approximately 51mpg combined and has a cooler running nickel/hydride battery. Replacement batteries sell for $2600 but a low mileage one can be bought at a junkyard for $500. Nevertheless, because the Toyota Prius has now a 10 year history we have evidence that with normal maintenance the battery can last over 200K miles. But some people might still desire the plug-in feature of the Volt over the Prius. For them, the 2012 Prius will be plug-in as well.
    So what would a businessman placing extra emphasis on fuel economy choose? Setting all partisanship and ignorance aside, the obvious choice is the Prius on all counts.
    6 Mar 2011, 11:17 AM Reply Like
  • spald_fr
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    [I'm going to count the partisans and ignorants here by the down thumbs on my posts. Cant wait.]

     

    I'll do you one better.

     

    Everyone who wants $2.50/gal gasoline vote "Thumbs UP"

     

    Everyone who wants $5.00/gal gasoline vote "Thumbs DOWN"
    6 Mar 2011, 11:30 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    If you say so - my arguement is not whether the volt is better than a prius but there is misinformation in this post both about sales and the causality which brought the volt into being. Furthermore, if you ask me, I'll buy a Ford Fusion over a Prius cause its an american car.

     

    Additionally, as I point out, the competition is bring lots of interesting stuff to market, yet the Volt is derided by US citizens, even though it is effectively the first of its kind - series hybrid - on the market. There is no pride left in the country. My arguments all revolve around domestic energy, domestic consumption, and domestic manufacturing.
    6 Mar 2011, 02:32 PM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- In January, General Motors sold 321 Chevrolet Volt cars. Meanwhile, Nissan, its fiercest electric car competitor, has sold just 87 Leaf cars in the U.S.

     

    Both cars went into production at the end of November.
    6 Mar 2011, 04:09 PM Reply Like
  • Duude
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    GM reports they sold 321 Chevy Volts in January and 281 in February. They're planning to build 12,000 for 2011. That seems a bit optimistic at this juncture.
    6 Mar 2011, 06:27 PM Reply Like
  • Poor Texan
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    The government is going to buy them. Something like the Federal Reserve buying Treasury bills.
    6 Mar 2011, 07:59 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    Hey, in backwards gov. thinking, America really DOES want the volt! Let me explain- Gov. takes taxpayer dollars, the gov. buys volts with that money, and voila!-Americans are vicariously buying volts. I feel dumb for ever doubting GM.
    6 Mar 2011, 10:43 PM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Yes, you can buy a Prius, and send the profits to Japan. I will say that's better than China at this point. But, how about GM. Keep the money here in the USA. Help get us out of this horrible recession. Put your neighbor or family member back to work. Personally, I'd by a Volt now without a propulsion system and push the SOB.
    7 Mar 2011, 04:19 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    7foot - that's right, but it appears to be an issue of ramping up production, the vehicle just went into production, it takes a while to deliver, Nissan is having similar problems. If you can only produce 2 cars you can only sell 2. The hardest part to introducing new technology to the market is lining up a supply chain for it. These are all pretty basic concepts so I won't make a long comment, try to forget about your politics for a second and conceptualize what it would take to bring this to market.
    7 Mar 2011, 07:47 AM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    I have no political stake in this game. I'm only reporting what was in the news. It would, however, seem to me that after more than four months in production GM should be producing more than 3 or 4 hundred Volts per month. Factory production floors are not foreign to me.
    7 Mar 2011, 08:07 AM Reply Like
  • Navyguy1
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    Just sold my 99 GMC Suburban with 128,000 miles for $6500. I had people fighting over it... Seat 8 ...They had 5 kids and needed one vehicle to carry everyone. The truck got 14mpg around town and 18mpg on the highway...That comes to 31 mpg around town in comparison to the 4 seater getting 30mpg..Which one is truly best for America? Obama and his utopians knows he needs European gas prices to sell the "green". The hidden blessing in this whole event is that he didn't get cap and trade, which would have made expensive energy permanent and difficult to unravel.. When the economy remains stagnant going into the fall, and we have another $1.6T added to the debt with higher interest rates, the 60’s era utopians will go away.
    6 Mar 2011, 08:17 AM Reply Like
  • Poor Texan
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    "They had 5 kids"

     

    I'm sure Obama thinks having so many kids is bad for the environment and bad for the country. His actions say so.
    6 Mar 2011, 04:56 PM Reply Like
  • kcr357
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    When you say " sell the green", does green mean environment or $$$?
    6 Mar 2011, 10:45 PM Reply Like
  • enigmaman
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    Whether by design, chance or both Obamaology has been and continues unabated in the dismantling of America as we know it, destroying our oil industry was key to so many aspects of his vision for Americas future, no drilling in the gulf, green jobs, alternate energy, taking over GM, hybrid cars, controlling our personal home energy use, food consumption and independent thinking and living. He has always believed and said as much that in relation to the rest of the the world Americans live to well so we shouldn't be surprised that the administration throws obstacles in the way of business that would move us away from his vision. Obama spoke before, during and after his election about Change " change for America", so nobody should be surprised that he is changing things, just surprised that both houses allow it to continue virtually unbated. We are headed for crisis and maybe that is the goal.

     

    People only accept change in necessity and see necessity only in crisis.

     

    —Jean Monnet
    6 Mar 2011, 08:19 AM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Enigmaman, I guess you would have applauded if GM went under and 1,000,000 jobs were lost. Your a good man.
    7 Mar 2011, 04:24 AM Reply Like
  • Neil459
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    Monngle, why do you think losing 1 mil jobs would have been the only possible outcome with GM going under. Oh, right, it's what Obama said and it makes for good headlines to support a government take over. It must be the only possible result.
    7 Mar 2011, 11:10 AM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    What's the other possible outcome if they aren't making cars and supplying GM? What are they going to be doing in a job market that's over 9%. Guess we could pay them to sit on their thumbs. As far as I'm concerned GM is turning into a resounding success.
    7 Mar 2011, 11:28 AM Reply Like
  • Neil459
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    Monngie, The assets and IP would have been bought, the idiots that ran them into the ground would have been fired, and Government Motors would have become GM2. Instead the idiots that ran GM into the ground get a chance to do it again, again, and again all while using our money and rewarding the unions that helped run them into the ground. Its only your world where this makes any sense at all.
    7 Mar 2011, 07:34 PM Reply Like
  • ebworthen
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    I think SA is infected with a thumbs down bot - does not seem to be rhyme nor reason to it - just thumbs down on everyone.
    6 Mar 2011, 01:00 PM Reply Like
  • bigazul
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    Sounds like the mob.
    6 Mar 2011, 05:25 PM Reply Like
  • Harry Polizzi
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    "I switched some of my boilers to NG already, can you say 30% fuel savings?"

     

    Kmi,

     

    You puissant change change to NG won't move the energy independence needle AT ALL.

     

    But what do you think happens to the NG price if we get a wholesale change to NG? It goes WWWAAAAYYYYY up in price, that's what.

     

    Now I believe that would be good thing, since: 1) the money would remain circulating in America & 2) Jobs would be created in America.

     

    But this WOULD NOT solve the problem of energy affordability.

     

    And you mention Coal.

     

    Talk about pollution! And if Whammy Obammy got his way with cap & trade energy & electricity would go sky high.

     

    Maybe Whammy doesn't care, after all he's got his; ex Presidents are set for life. He & Bubba Clinton can spend their time Quail Hunting.

     

    Ayuh
    6 Mar 2011, 06:29 PM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    First the USA has aa lot of both NG and coal so at least we won't be sendin dollars ro the enemies. Second, if not these then what do you propose, windmills on cars?
    6 Mar 2011, 06:46 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    Sails. With a solar-powered fan.
    6 Mar 2011, 08:26 PM Reply Like
  • Wyatt Junker
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    Hamsters.
    6 Mar 2011, 09:56 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Hey Anal -

     

    In my state - NY - we have tons of NG and no one to sell it to. The infrastructure is lacking and the majority of large buildings use diesel for heating. I'm actually behind the curve on the NG switch - I was first advised to consider it in 2007 by some of the largest prop mgmt companies in NYC. i.e, i'm not the only one doing it.

     

    I support drilling for US natural gas to create US jobs to provide US energy to US people instead of offshoring our wealth and energy security to the middle east. And I don't care about coal either as long as it is US sourced. Have you heard about "clean coal"? Look into it.
    7 Mar 2011, 07:57 AM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Geez I hope they don't go hunting with Dick.
    7 Mar 2011, 11:29 AM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    I've been looking at my thumbs down. It looks to me like a majority of you don't believe the taxpayers bailed out Wall Street. Most of you want to send your Sons and Daughters off to get their asses shot off for oil, Don't believe the government should be a back stop for working people, but, believe we should bail out financial institutions that completely *&*&% up the world economy. Don't have a problem with killing innocent people for oil. Don't have a problem with trashing the planet instead of being good stewards. Hey! I finally found some of the people that are destroying the country.
    7 Mar 2011, 04:35 AM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    Monngie, please take your Meds, go back to bed for a few hours and try to have a nice day. We mean you no harm. I have not seen anyone on this sight advocating the sacrifice of more young men and women in useless wars for the sake of lower oil prices. Most of the posters here agree that the economy has been made a mess by a combination of stupid government policies, greedy business especially bankers and consumers who won't do without. We try, sometimes unsuccessfully to have civil discussion but you have gotten yourself needlessly worked up. Cool down and we'll see you on the next go round.Respectfully,
    Moose
    7 Mar 2011, 05:46 AM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    No meds necessary. I'm just looking at the thumbs. Most of these people 2/3 disagree. I really don't know how they can when pretty much everything I'm saying can be backed up by fact and not merely opinion, but, that's the way it is.......look at the thumbs. Criticize President Obama all you like, but, no one can dispute he was handed the biggest $#!+ball this country has ever seen financially with the exception of the Great Depression. I will admit it ain't over till it's over, but, at this point it looks like he may have saved our asses. Only time will tell, but, GW really limited his options by spending us into oblivion.
    7 Mar 2011, 02:38 PM Reply Like
  • 7footMoose
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    I have always thought of the thumbs down as a signal of individual thought. If you think like the crowd they like it if you think differently they do not. I try not to take it personally and I try to maintain civility. You have defended the President and he is not well liked by many of the posters on this site. If you had said what you said on The Huffington Post there would have been the opposite reaction.
    7 Mar 2011, 02:48 PM Reply Like
  • Wyatt Junker
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    I wish we went to war for oil.

     

    If only it were true.
    7 Mar 2011, 03:14 PM Reply Like
  • Wyatt Junker
    , contributor
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    Problem is, there is a war.

     

    A war not 'for oil', but against it. Van Jones style bullshit.

     

    An EPA all out assault against the wonderful black flammable stuff.

     

    I love oil. Why? Cause I like to drive.

     

    Does anybody else like to drive, or is it just me?

     

    If you don't like to move from place to place, then scream no war for oil. Until then, I want war, a war for oil. Can we pretty please?
    7 Mar 2011, 03:16 PM Reply Like
  • Monngie
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    Moose, I'd rather mix it up with people that disagree with me than those that hold my point of view. We'll all learn more that way, though it is easier to preach to the choir. I'll try to be more civil in my commentary, but, I'm not going to roll over and play dead. The conservative right isn't known for it's civility.
    7 Mar 2011, 03:43 PM Reply Like
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