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Electric Vehicle roundup: 1) Tesla Motors (TSLA -0.6%) sets its pricing for Europe and says in a...

Electric Vehicle roundup: 1) Tesla Motors (TSLA -0.6%) sets its pricing for Europe and says in a blog post profits will be uniform across markets. 2) Cadillac (GM +0.2%) will unveil its 2014 ELR model at a major auto show next month. 3) It's a good start for Ford's (F -0.8%) C-Max hybrid; sales and reviews point to a competitive entry into the market. 4) German automakers will bring at least seven new electric models to the market in 2013, led by Volkswagen (VLKAY.PK) and BMW (BAMXY.PK). The Western European plug-in market is forecast to grow to over 70K vehicles sold.
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  • frogola
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    we need range, should be the biggest factor in sales.
    20 Dec 2012, 03:17 PM Reply Like
  • juicejack
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    It will be interesting to see what the range of European electrics will be. Cities are closer together there, and they have a massive train system for longer trips, so they may not "need" 300 mile range to be marketable.

     

    American "experts" seem to feel that 300 mile range and 100,000 mile battery life are what will make the grade in the U.S. I'm not so sure, but Tesla seems to be able to sell such a product --- TODAY.
    20 Dec 2012, 05:46 PM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    The answer is simple. The question seems to be the problem.

     

    Some folks are bizarrely functionally incapable of mentally distinguishing between the daily chore of driving to work and back, and taking a cross country family journey hauling a five ton trailer.

     

    How far do you commute each day? If the answer is under 50 miles round trip, which represents about 75% of US commuters, then a compact EV like the Nissan Leaf or Ford Focus Electric is probably perfect as a daily driver - both can go about 76 miles between charges, and save a fortune in gasoline, proportional to the miles.

     

    If you are one of the few commuters with a daily commute that is over 50 miles round trip, but less than 100, then you will want to be able to charge up for several hours at both ends of the commute (at home and at work), or get an EV that can get well over 100 miles without charging.

     

    But yes, if one is simply incapable of driving less than 300 miles daily without stopping to charge for a couple of hours, or is simply incapable of remembering to plug in the vehicle overnight, then he might do well to get a 300-mile EV, or just a regular car.
    20 Dec 2012, 06:11 PM Reply Like
  • mugwomp
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    I have a turbocharged AWD performance car I enjoy driving. I can't stand driving or riding in my friends' Priuses or plug-in Nissan.

     

    I'll choose what car I drive for myself, thanks. I don't want to own an econobox/commuter appliance, nor have to drive one full time, in the snow, or on long trips.
    20 Dec 2012, 07:57 PM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    Well isn't that special. Of course we were discussing Electric and Hybrid Vehicles here, but thanks for playing!
    20 Dec 2012, 11:05 PM Reply Like
  • bdiem
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    In France, most families own just one car. When they buy, they think about the most they will need the car, like taking the family on vaction after a long drive to the south of France next summer. Rationally, they could buy an electric car for the year, and rent a car for the vacation.
    However, even with the high price of gasoline in France (about $8 a gallon) a communter needs to go about 15,000 km a year to make the low cost of electricity pay off the high cost of batteries. So it doesn't pay off for city dwellers, and it won't work for rural dwellers. The target audience is suburban dwellers who have a garage where they can charge up, and a job about 40km away.
    21 Dec 2012, 02:06 AM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    BD - really? Would love to see the math on that!

     

    In the US today, gasoline is around $3 a gallon, and electricity is around 14 cents per kW-hr. So let us consider the Ford Focus - it comes in a gasoline version and an electric version in the US.

     

    The 2.0L gas engine Focus Titanium gets about 30 mpg combined in a daily commute. For the sake of argument, an average commute is about 30 miles round trip, so figure on burning through a gallon a day, or $3 a day.

     

    The similarly equipped Focus Electric goes about 75 miles on a 25 kW-hr battery, which works out to 3 miles per kW-hr. So figure on burning 10 kW-hr, or $1.40 per day in the 30 mile commute. Less than half the cost of burning gasoline over the same distance.

     

    Of course there is always the purchase price to consider. A fully loaded Focus Titanium gas car costs just about $30k, while a similarly equipped Focus Electric comes in around $40k. But the Federal and State Governments provide up to $10k in rebates and refunds for purchasing a EV, so the purchase price is a wash at essentially the same equipment level.
    21 Dec 2012, 10:42 AM Reply Like
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