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More signs of tighter ties between Microsoft (MSFT) and HTC as the Taiwanese device maker is...

More signs of tighter ties between Microsoft (MSFT) and HTC as the Taiwanese device maker is reportedly planning 12-inch and 7-inch tablets based on the Windows RT OS. HTC was ruled out as an initial partner in Microsoft's tightly controlled selection process, and said it was getting out of U.S. tablets a couple of months ago amid market-share struggles against the iPad, Google's Nexus 7 and Amazon's Kindle Fire.
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  • Leont68
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    I want to make a bold prediction here. Msft has already won the tablet war, people just dont know it yet. Eventually all windows computers will have a touch screen there will be no reason to buy a seperate tablet.
    23 Dec 2012, 05:26 PM Reply Like
  • Yokyok
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    that made me laugh
    23 Dec 2012, 05:31 PM Reply Like
  • Tack
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    Leon:

     

    MSFT is way too late to the phone and tablet wars. Their impact will be marginal. And, to make matters worse, their too-late effort is led by a Windows-8 user interface that is completely unsuitable for desktop computers, especially corporate computers, where a touch screen of "Hollywood squares" is completely superfluous.

     

    My prediction: The net result of this misguided strategy is going to be disappointing impact in the mobile market, while undermining their corporate operating-system upgrades at the same time.
    23 Dec 2012, 05:45 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    Xbox was late to the gaming scene also and they said also that Xbox was late to the console scene also.
    23 Dec 2012, 06:01 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    Tack,

     

    "And, to make matters worse, their too-late effort is led by a Windows-8 user interface that is completely unsuitable for desktop computers, especially corporate computers, where a touch screen of "Hollywood squares" is completely superfluous."

     

    That's because Microsoft see that the PC is dying and they decided to participate in PC's execution rather than to fight against the natural evolution of the tech market. The Surface tablet is the first viable link between the PC and the tablet. It has the best of the two worlds, it's a tablet, it has a physical keyboard and a USB port. No doubt that they will beat Apple in a couple of years. Customers are pragmatic, it might take some time but common sense will take over the trend. iPad can't replace a PC, you can't do all the tasks on an iPad without a good physical keyboard, a flash player or a USB port. On the other hand Surface is a real solution, cause once you purchase a Surface, you buy a PC and a tablet for a cheaper price than an iPad. For now they will simply sell licenses to Nokia, HTC, HP, Acer, etc. for their tablet-PC's. The showed the way to go and eventually either they will revolutionize the talblet market or they will simply sell licenses. They will earn a lot with any configuration, even though Surface sales are certainly going to be disappointing for this quarter.

     

    Microsoft guys are smart and they have a long experience so I'm sure that they will make an adapted version of Win 8 for the corporations. Surface Pro might be that adaptation. A serious OS with a talet making its way in the corporate world.

     

    Disclosure : No positions in MSFT, I'm just a happy owner of a Surface.
    23 Dec 2012, 06:42 PM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    David you make some good points but they need to be tweaked slightly, here's my effort:

     

    you wrote, "That's because Microsoft see that the PC is dying and they decided to participate in PC's execution rather than to fight against the natural evolution of the tech market. The Surface tablet is the first viable link between the PC and the tablet."

     

    That's actually pretty succinct theory, bold, but succinct. However, by the reasons you post the iPad is a viable link here's why ...

     

    you wrote, "The Surface tablet is the first viable link between the PC and the tablet. It has the best of the two worlds, it's a tablet, it has a physical keyboard and a USB port."

     

    If a keyboard and a USB is all it takes, iPad is already there, maybe that's what is driving corporate adoption of iPad. Keyboard:
    http://bit.ly/TfQwOB
    USB (Apple calls it "camera" adapter, but that's just a marketing gimmick, it's USB):
    http://bit.ly/TfQvtZ

     

    you wrote, "iPad can't replace a PC, you can't do all the tasks on an iPad without a good physical keyboard, a flash player or a USB port."
    That's just wrong, what exactly do you need flash for any who? Give me an example?

     

    I think what you are getting at is that you can't run something like MS Office on an iPad, well you can't run full office on the W8 RT version either, need Pro for that. Apple has a Pro ultrabook, it's called MB Air. Now Office Lite can be run on an iPad via the iWork Suite, which loads and saves to DOC, XLS, and PPT.
    23 Dec 2012, 08:25 PM Reply Like
  • bill d
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    Only touch screen I will use will have a whole bunch of little key thingys that you press.
    23 Dec 2012, 10:50 PM Reply Like
  • bill d
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    Guess you haven't heard it's a POS & miserable failure.
    Are you trying to confuse us with facts??? LOL
    23 Dec 2012, 10:52 PM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    Berylrb,

     

    I've been using iPad for 3 years and I perfectly know that product. It's an extremely restricted OS and there are dozens of features that you can't do at all without "jail breaking" it. Personally, I don't want to buy a product in order to "hack" it and to compromise its OS and its security by some illegal manipulations. So yes, there is a USB adaptor, but in order to use it as a USB port you need to hack your iPad. So if you want to transfer some file you need to link your iPad to your computer and transfer it through USB. That makes you tablet completely dependable of your computer and it's just another gadget. Same thing if you want to download a file other than a PDF, you need to downloaded it on your computer and transfer it on your iPad. The other thing that I like in Surface is the real multitasking. You can open simultaneously 2 apps and you have 2 windows opened on one screen. iPad doesnt even have a true multitask. There are hundreds of examples to the lack of productivity of iPad compared to a Mac or a PC, so no, an iPad isn't a real computer. I also had a physical keyboard and the fact that you had to use a keyboard with a touch screen wasn't comfortable at all. What I like about Surface is that its keyboard has a little laptop mouse square so you can use Surface as a PC, or as a touch PC.

     

    "That's just wrong, what exactly do you need flash for any who? Give me an example?"

     

    That's the most biased Apple-fan argument I heard and unfortunately it's not the first time I hear it. Apple found a ridiculous excuse to justify their lack of business ethics and to hide the fact that they behave themselves like parasites toward the concurrence,
    while you repeat their slogans like a parrot. I need a flash player simply because this format is supported overall on the Internet. It's not up to Apple to say to their custommers what they do need and what they don't. That's the difference between a short run trend company and a long run tech giant. It's true that many sites adopted HTML5, but they offer a less exhausted content than the original versions, while millions of sites use only the Flash. If you want to see a video on CNBC you need a flash player. If you want to watch a YouTube video you only get the access to the unofficial videos posted by users, but certainly not the official context like for example Vevo, cause you can't watch them on a "mobile" device. iPad isn't the only tablet on the market anymore so either they will start fitting to their custommers, or they will keep loosing them. So if you are a teenager who only needs to surf on the Internet, be on Facebook and play some crappy games, buy a trendy iPad. But if you are a businessman looking or a productive tool that can replace your computer completely, buy a Surface.
    24 Dec 2012, 06:36 AM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    yeah, I know, its a very far fetch prediction. I do not blame you from wanting to laughing at all :P
    23 Dec 2012, 05:37 PM Reply Like
  • LDJ
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    Am I missing something?
    Leon68, what do you mean?
    23 Dec 2012, 05:50 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    LDJ , your not missing anything, I am just strictly making a personal prediction here. ( which most people will laugh at lols)
    23 Dec 2012, 06:02 PM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    @leon, I don't think it is that far fetched if the PC particularly the desktop is dead as a form factor.

     

    It's a logical replacement for those who only work on say a 15"-17" workstation. I have a hard time seeing the usefulness of touch desktop, other than via a trackpad configuration, for anything involving spreadsheets and or multiple monitors. I'm not sure what percentage of business involve these two desktop configurations?
    23 Dec 2012, 08:29 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    berylrb, I am sure right now at this point in time touch enabled desktop configurations are not "productive" in a business environment. But given some time people will wonder how they ever worked without a monitor that was not a touchscreen. Apps can be adapted to work with the touch interface.

     

    Maybe not right now, but surely within a 5 year time frame.
    24 Dec 2012, 07:08 AM Reply Like
  • Davidoff
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    The relation between Microsoft and Nokia is getting a little bit more obscure with every piece of news we get... The big question is if Microsoft works with Nokia or against it. Nokia took all the risks by adopting WP and they got nothing out of this deal! They didn't get any kind of short term exclusivity, no free promotion, no apps, Surface Phone rumors and all that for a completely new and uncertain OS. Way to go Elop!
    23 Dec 2012, 06:47 PM Reply Like
  • Island_Dweller
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    I'm not sure I follow you when you say NOK got nothing out of this deal. They were the first handset to have WP8 so naturally they're reaping the benefits of the initial wave of interest. While MSFT has always been open to many vendors, I think the exclusivity that NOK is enjoying here will vindicate Elop's decision. Yes, HTC is in the mix but the phone that garnering all the attention for WP8 is NOK's lineup.
    23 Dec 2012, 08:31 PM Reply Like
  • dividend_growth
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    While Nokia is only one of Microsoft's many bitches, Microsoft is Nokia's only sugar daddy.
    23 Dec 2012, 09:09 PM Reply Like
  • jpintoctr
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    HTC was the first to make an Android phone that competed with the iPhone. The company invested heavily on the platform. Google show it is not a trusted long term strategic partner and allow others to unfairly compete with HTC making Android a free but at the end expensive commodity (including Samsung all Android will have to look for new software providers). For Microsoft the Taiwan company is an excellent strategic choice giving Windows a chance.

     

    HTC also show how other companies will move out from Android. I foresee a market which will be continue to be dominated by Apple in terms of revenues and traffic with MSFT growing its share with RIMM and Motorola as the main GOOG outlet and a diminishing Android base.
    23 Dec 2012, 10:20 PM Reply Like
  • Derek A. Barrett
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    jpintoctr I agree with your analysis entirely.

     

    Everyone is making this out to be Apple vs. Microsoft, when it's really Microsoft vs. Android.

     

    Once Android is gone to the dustbins of history, then the Apple fight starts.
    24 Dec 2012, 02:16 AM Reply Like
  • SquareHead
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    My opinions:
    Desktop is not dead. I need the best full size keyboard, fastest processor and the largest screen possible. I can't work in a Starbucks tapping on a smartphone. I don't communicate with partial sentences and "emotioncons". I need the power for manipulating databases. I need the big screen for visibility.

     

    On the road I want as close to a desktop PC as possible in a package less than 4lbs. I have a good touchscreen laptop, but it is not suitable for a 10 hour work day, 6 days a week. A 10 in tablet with a GOOD keyboard might work for travel. The Surface may be ok. That might be my next travel machine. 7 and 10" tablets with Android keyboards are toys. I have a 10" Motorola Xoom. Its really only suitable for entertainment and downloading Email. It kills "Angry Birds", but it is not a work machine.

     

    Lastly, I need access to all my home base files. VPN is ok, but I really wish they I could call up the files as if they were on a "virtual" hard drive. A "Cloud" drive might be the answer. I am a little behind the power curve on understanding that.

     

    I have run a beta version of Win8 on my laptop. I like the way you can switch between the touch screen mode and the more conventional desktop mode. It seems that MS is going in good directions on all counts.

     

    I want all this with a single, seamless, reliable operating system. My next set up will probably be a Win8 desk top PC and Win8 touch screen/tablet/laptop for travel. If I can get my travel machine in desktop mode to look just like my work PC with all my files available I will be satisified. If Microsoft can make this happen I will be a buyer.

     

    If all you want to do is text and download cute cat videos from YouTube, stick with an Android tablet it is more than adaquate. It will never be a replacement for a powerful desktop PC or a full keyboard laptop.
    24 Dec 2012, 01:48 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    Apple's revenues from iPhone sales (and only iPhone sales) are (by itself) larger than Microsoft's TOTAL revenues from ALL of its product lines.

     

    Think about that before you start talking about Microsoft winning any sort of "war".
    24 Dec 2012, 04:37 AM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    I know how you feel about Nok and MSFT vs APPLE DVL, lets just agree to disagree here :P
    24 Dec 2012, 07:13 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    Leont68:

     

    "How I feel" was no part of my post.

     

    I was simply stating a fact regarding the earnings power of Apple vs. Microsoft and the recent trends regarding earnings growth for the two companies.

     

    Microsoft is a large and very profitable enterprise but they are no Apple in that regard. :)
    24 Dec 2012, 08:50 AM Reply Like
  • bill d
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    Over what period of time?
    Let's see some facts.
    25 Dec 2012, 07:42 PM Reply Like
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