Nokia's (NOK) Lumia Windows Phone 8 devices are seeing post-Christmas discounts in the U.S. The...


Nokia's (NOK) Lumia Windows Phone 8 devices are seeing post-Christmas discounts in the U.S. The flagship Lumia 920 is available for $39 on Amazon with an AT&T contract, while the mid-range Lumia 822 is free with a Verizon contract. And T-Mobile is providing the Lumia 810 for free with a contract. It isn't clear if Nokia is bearing any of the cost. The black Lumia 920 is at #16 on Amazon's phone bestseller list. (China Unicom)

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  • DeepValueLover
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    Although this is terrible news for Nokia I still think that adoption of the Android platform and a new board and CEO could help boost this stock to $6 per share by 2017.
    27 Dec 2012, 09:46 AM Reply Like
  • stealthology
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    Dude. You're so annoying.
    27 Dec 2012, 10:05 AM Reply Like
  • ericmeister
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    I don't see why it is terrible that Lumia 920 is 3rd best selling product on AT&T beating all Android phones except SGS3 (which btw also has discount price of $79.99). Stock will be above $6 on Q2/2013
    27 Dec 2012, 10:07 AM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    that is a fact
    27 Dec 2012, 10:16 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    Nokia won't adopt Android. Please stop insisting on the absurd, DVL.
    Abandoning the Smartphone business completely makes more sense than joining the Android flock.
    27 Dec 2012, 10:28 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    stealthology:

     

    I know a lot of people hate anything other than complete allegiance to the Nokia hype as if this were North Korea and Nokia was Kim Jung-Un but my caution on Nokia has helped people while the rah-rah Go Nokia drivel in 2010, 2011 and the first half of 2012 has lost people money so I can't be ashamed of helping people.

     

    Now that Nokia has had a good run based on zero improvements in the profit picture the Nokia fans are telling people NOT to hedge their gains and to just double down.

     

    So I will continue to help people and be proud of that while those who help people lose money in Nokia will continue to be shameless in their hype.
    27 Dec 2012, 11:16 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    Third place.

     

    Bronze medal.

     

    Yay!
    27 Dec 2012, 11:16 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    mitrado:

     

    Was it absurd for Samsung to adopt Android and vacuum up billions in profit that Nokia "intelligently" let slip through their fingers by kneeling down to Microsoft after they set fire to their own OS?
    27 Dec 2012, 11:16 AM Reply Like
  • jjmc2001
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    DVL,
    Your persistent comments NOK adopting Android may have been relevant about two years ago but that time has passed. Please desist.
    27 Dec 2012, 11:20 AM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    Wonder what you will say when Nokia hits $6 a year from now? wait, most likely the same thing you said all along.

     

    Apple this Apple that, its a fact :P
    27 Dec 2012, 11:29 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    How many applications had Samsung developed that needed to be ported to Android? Nil. That makes things a little easier, no?

     

    And anyway, Samsung was one of the pioneers adopting Android, it didn't get in Android 2 years ago, like you suggested.

     

    Again, you're comparing Apples to Lemons. Good luck with that kind of logic.
    27 Dec 2012, 11:33 AM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    SA comment system could really use an ignore feature. Soon DVL would be all alone talking to himself.
    27 Dec 2012, 12:20 PM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    I agree with the ignore feature but not specific to DVL I dislike other comm-enters much more then DVL.
    27 Dec 2012, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • beyond dreams
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    @DVL-- ''So I will continue to help people and be proud of that while those who help people lose money in Nokia will continue to be shameless in their hype.'' AND
    "I've always been right about Nokia since it was a $6 stock."
    The below are noted again and posted again as a reminder. I think you have a lot to learn about fallibility.
    Here are some of your gems from prior posts DVL from the time when Nokia was under $2. We have more than doubled our returns and you still claim you have not made a mistake in missing a 135% gain? If you can call it on the way down you should be able to call it on the way up. I had fun reading your posts, but I think you should avoid statements like the one above as you are not an investor. You believe that one should drive forward by monitoring your progress in the rear view mirror.

     

    I will accept the fact that I invested too early in NOK, and as a result have suffered a huge loss until now. However, with your vision I think you will suffer many losses in the future. I am long msft, intc, glw, siri and nok, ko. I have heard what you were against, but never heard what you are for in specific investments.
    7/18 posts when NOK was way under @2/share -- "Please point out where good news from Nokia has sent the stock price up for more than a day."
    "No reasonable investor would buy and hold a stock with a horrific World Record market share collapse like Nokia."
    "Listening to me and other truth-tellers has saved people a LOT of money and heartache. The Nokia pumpers CANNOT say that they have helped anyone." This coming when NOK was 1.70 a share and Apple was over $600/sh. Good investment advice DVL, you have made people a lot of money.
    7/20 DVL post "On the point of death. Occurring at or connected with the time that someone dies." You are right, you never said bankrupt and you have always been right as you noted above!!!
    7/21 DVL post--- "Isn't the current share price way, way too low for a stock that will be 3 or 4 dollars higher in the next few years?" Very good DVL. The NOK price was around $1.7 or so at that time. No you have never been wrong about Nokia.

     

    Just note that I picked these posts in 3-4 days when the NOK share price was around $1.70. As our investment instructor you would have had us sell Nokia and invest in Apple. Yes, you are really good.

     

    Looking at your posts I could not find a single post that had any redeeming value. Just remember that it is much easier to tear down a building then to build one. Had you become a bull sometime on or shortly after Nokia had the multi year lows then I would listen to what you and your kind have to say, but when you continue with the same exact sentiment as if nothing has changed in the company, the product or the market the past 6 months, then I say you are sadly lacking in your objectivity and analytical capability.

     

    Add something thru this forum to make me think, but dont continually make generalized statements that have no redeeming value to those of us who want to try and get an edge on the future performance of a company by sharing information.
    27 Dec 2012, 12:39 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    Why would anyone who really believes in Nokia care what I think?

     

    Replying to what I write proves that you care and are a little worried about your "investment" in Nokia.
    27 Dec 2012, 04:15 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    Leont68:

     

    On what basis would a stock move up another 33% if the company is not even turning a profit.

     

    That is a recipe for a stock price collapse.

     

    Where are the net revenues if the phones are so popular?
    27 Dec 2012, 04:15 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    beyond dreams:

     

    Please point out where I lost people money.

     

    When the paid Nokia hype team was touting Nokia @ $5 where were you when people rode this puppy down to $1.76?

     

    Where were your complaints then?

     

    Now if Nokia falls back to $3 or even $2 will you (once again) go back to radio silence only to pop up when momo traders push this unprofitable company back to $4?

     

    All the time people are taking to whine about those of us who haven't fallen for the hype and none of that time is used to point out where Nokia's profits went.

     

    Tell me:

     

    How can Nokia continue to defy gravity with many more quarters of losses to report?

     

    Again...where are the profits to support the stock price?
    27 Dec 2012, 04:21 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
    27 Dec 2012, 04:26 PM Reply Like
  • mr wonder
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    Remarkable.

     

    1. Walmart is raising its prices on the Lumia 920.
    http://bit.ly/YkWNYg

     

    2. "The Wallstreet Journal" does not offer any possibility to comment on their articles.

     

    3. Why is China Unicom mentioned at the end of this article?
    .
    27 Dec 2012, 04:49 PM Reply Like
  • beyond dreams
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    I have no respect for people like you who like to always be negative. I have not worked for many years and love to spend the time I have to invest and read upon my investments. With all this time in my hands I have only made 116 comments. Based on your self assuredness I imagine you are younger and work for a living. You have made 4200 comments. Anyone with that many comments cannot be thinking much. Of course it does not take much to regurgitate the same nonsense over and over again, just like a parrot.

     

    I know you are short Nokia, but do please tell me what you are long on and why? You refused to answer my question before. Also, can you tell us what your portfolio looks like and your cost basis per stock so that we can become experts like you and compare our results with Nokia to yours?
    One of the folks here provided a link to J. Templeton and his investment advice. I suggest you contemplate what he said "An investor who has all the answers doesn't even understand all the questions." I think Templeton has described you to a tee.

     

    Why dont you go and spend your time to find a good stock for yourself? You just might learn the question if you spend a little more time reading and contemplating, rather than spewing nonsense.
    27 Dec 2012, 04:56 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    DVL , if I knew why a stock goes up or down, I would be a lot richer than I am right now. thats a fact

     

    p.s. I am not implying I am rich.
    27 Dec 2012, 05:27 PM Reply Like
  • PeterScriabin
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    lakofsth: even more than an Ignore User, I'd like to see a Dislike button beside the Like, or, if there's only room for 1 button, then a +/- counter.

     

    Lost count of the # of times I wanted to Dislike a post, but could not!
    27 Dec 2012, 09:18 PM Reply Like
  • godalmightee13
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    DVL why write then it makes you look a mug lol. but it is amusing , lol
    28 Dec 2012, 06:51 AM Reply Like
  • CashMan75
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    @DVL
    every day i see good news for Nokia
    they win RIMM lawsuit, apple pays royalties, Nokia siemens gets new contracts, MS pays 1 billion a year to just use MS OS, Lumia sells outs, asha phones are selling better than expected, nokia maps going into car GPS, Nokia closes plants and cuts cost to save millions, 12 billion cash barrell, swiss pension funds invest millions in nokia, short ratio declining, GS buying millions, now they are making a tablet that to compete with ipad....this is the buy of a lifetime!!!

     

    Serious DVL- what else could you expect- i now know 6 eople that use LUMIA 920 and 900, 6 months ago didnt know any..very good start
    28 Dec 2012, 08:18 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    beyond dreams:

     

    Please calm down. It is not my fault Nokia lost 18% in 2012. People love Apple and Samsung.

     

    That isn't my fault.
    28 Dec 2012, 04:11 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    @dvl however, every post you write which doesn't bring anything new to the conversation is your fault. I may just filter your posts in my browser with a small script, but sadly that's not an available option for most users here.
    28 Dec 2012, 05:05 PM Reply Like
  • ericmeister
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    @DVL

     

    People love Lumia 920 too

     

    http://bit.ly/Rljcap
    28 Dec 2012, 06:47 PM Reply Like
  • ericmeister
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    @mr wonder

     

    This is interesting as well, Verizon raised Lumia 822 price and the device now appears on top sellers list. Especially worth noting the text:

     

    "Now, on checking it seems Bestbuy is selling iPhone 5 at $50 discount and Lumia 920 without discount. Also at Amazon, SGS III is going for $59 with a huge discount of $149 over the carrier price"

     

    http://bit.ly/UxdjXa

     

    Also, Amazon China raised Lumia 920T price by 200 Yuan, even though it has been on sale just a couple of weeks

     

    http://bit.ly/YWxb93

     

    WSJ, what are your unbias journalists writing now?
    29 Dec 2012, 07:09 PM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    lakofsth: You believe that the only value that can be brought to the conversation is cult-like loyalty to Nokia. Anyone who fears negative comments about Nokia has little confidence in their own investing skills.

     

    Lack of confidence = a desire for an "ignore" feature.
    Confidence = Not caring if there are 10,000 negative comments about a stock you own.

     

    That is why I haven't lost money in Nokia. I am not a cult member. I am an investor.

     

    Nokia is down 18% this year.
    30 Dec 2012, 05:25 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    ericmeister: They love the 920 but not enough to actually buy the phone in enough volume to give Nokia a profit.
    30 Dec 2012, 05:25 AM Reply Like
  • CashMan75
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    we are about to see a short squeeze of a lifetime as soon as next qtr comes, out, goldman sachs is going to get paid off and so am I!!
    30 Dec 2012, 05:26 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    "Nokia is down 18% this year."

     

    Boy, am I glad I've learned how to buy stocks in calendar days other than January 1st. I never understood that strategy of buying stocks on January 1st only... You know the markets are open all year long, right? Why limit yourself to a single day?

     

    I don't care for that, DVL... and neither should you. Forget January 1st, you seem obsessed with that date for some strange reason.

     

    My pre-planned entry at $2.37 a share for NOK is working just fine, even though the stock is down since January 1st. So why bother so much with that? Just because CNN and Reuters like to show Year-To-Date graphs on their shows, it doesn't mean we all have to buy stocks on January 1st and let them ride.
    30 Dec 2012, 06:27 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    DVL, do you know that Nokia would already be profitable, had they completely abandoned all phone developing and manufacturing?

     

    I hope that the Lumia line gains some momentum and gives Nokia some profit boost, but I didn't bet on that single event.

     

    Just like Apple isn't iPhone...Nokia is way more than Lumia 920.
    Why the need to focus so much on Nokia Lumia 920 alone?

     

    Nokia has 3 big segments, 2 are profitable... one isn't (and can be killed at any time.) Why not trading accordingly?
    30 Dec 2012, 06:41 AM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    So now people that invest in Nokia shares are cult like? Do you mean the same way Apple investors are?

     

    I am glad you havent lost money in Nokia. I wish your investments well in 2013.

     

    As for us cult like Nokia investors we will just keep throwing money into the value trap you call Nokia for 2013 :P
    30 Dec 2012, 07:14 AM Reply Like
  • JayXu
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    Nokia doenst need those to pass 6.
    27 Dec 2012, 09:58 AM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    love it JayXu
    27 Dec 2012, 12:00 PM Reply Like
  • lost money
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    To "deepvaluelover" comment above,
    just by looking at the number of comments you posted 4187! and without reading any of them...it is clear that you are using this platform to manipulate the stock value so that you can benefit!

     

    The stock is at $4.05 today and it will hit the $6 mark that you indicated in few weeks and not in $5 years!
    and how is this bad news for Nokia... so far I had 7 I phones send to me and family over the last few years from AT&T and they where all free! how is that bad business for Apple? of course the phone companies pay for the phones( at a discount because of the high volume purchase) in return for a one year or two year contract.

     

    wake up and do not follow the herd of sheep mentality!
    27 Dec 2012, 09:59 AM Reply Like
  • wigit5
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    lost money,
    dont be fooled to thinking DVL has that much cred on one website in the entire www that he alone can move anything...

     

    4000 comments on SA does not equal price movement it just means he spends a lot of time commenting here...
    27 Dec 2012, 10:08 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    lost money:

     

    Nokia in all of its blazing upward price movement couldn't even match its 2012 high!

     

    So let's not go crazy with talk of $6 per share in a few weeks. :)
    27 Dec 2012, 11:17 AM Reply Like
  • CashMan75
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    DVL the short is 20%, goldmanSachs loads up on shares, calles nok a sell, tells their own muppet clients to short, then when next earning come out, it will be the short-squeeze of a lifetime, goldman gets huge payoff and so will the rest of us! they been setting up the squeeze the whole time, this squeeze can push the stock to 15$, get ready
    30 Dec 2012, 05:26 AM Reply Like
  • Hans Thoma
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    If there's really such a high demand for this phone, why do they need to keep lowering the price? First $149, then 99, then 49, and now 39. Nokia and ATT both need to can their marketing departments. It's the best phone on the market right now, yet they can't figure out how to make consumers aware of that. The advertising and marketing support thus far has been garbage.
    27 Dec 2012, 10:00 AM Reply Like
  • stealthology
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    Or they want to sell more? Possibly?
    27 Dec 2012, 10:02 AM Reply Like
  • Rookie IRA Investor
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    Isn't it common for merchants to discount prices after Christmas to encourage, because when people have been buying gifts for the last month, they are likely to give the shopping a rest unless they see great bargains?

     

    The black Lumia 920 is still number 3 seller on Amazon's AT&T list, and the red one is sold out.

     

    Of course it is true that the pricing does not indicate that demand exceeds supply, but it is not necessarily the case that the current discounts indicate that surplus stock of phones is being dumped either.
    27 Dec 2012, 10:12 AM Reply Like
  • DeepValueLover
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    Hans Thoma:

     

    It looks like you haven't drank the Kool-Aid!

     

    Apple doesn't need to cut prices.

     

    Increased sales = increased prices

     

    Decreasing sales = decreasing prices
    27 Dec 2012, 11:17 AM Reply Like
  • mr wonder
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    @ DVL (also AAPL lover)

     

    There are many reports coming all around the world about the i-Phone being bent by just sitting on it. Kool -Aid you said.

     

    http://bit.ly/Ub7Npv
    http://bit.ly/TCPfDG
    http://bit.ly/Yl46Pz
    27 Dec 2012, 12:15 PM Reply Like
  • CashMan75
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    sheep are tired of being sheared by apple, im dumping I4 a 920

     

    why?
    you just have to experience it in person,
    faster OS
    bigger screen
    GPS
    Yellow color
    i wear gloves all winter
    Live tiles are exciting
    awesome camera
    dont need case
    27 Dec 2012, 02:04 PM Reply Like
  • jimdart
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    Wow, there really are a lot of reports. wonder if this will be a bigger issue in a few more months?
    27 Dec 2012, 02:53 PM Reply Like
  • lost money
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    Hans Thoma,
    THey get royalty fees from the phone companies every time a customer signs a contract with ATT&T or Verizon... it is good business and that is what Apple is doing.
    27 Dec 2012, 10:11 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    Meanwhile, if you're in Europe and you really, really want a 920, you must pay €700... which is way more than an average European earns in a month.
    27 Dec 2012, 10:31 AM Reply Like
  • Matt-Man
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    Sounds like you are an expert, but if you like to get more informed about average EU salaries, check:
    http://bit.ly/V6XF2g

     

    Listed is net salary in dollars.
    27 Dec 2012, 11:31 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure those "average salaries" are not even close to what the majority of Europeans earn.

     

    Average salary in Portugal: €787

     

    Do you really believe this represents the reality of an average Portuguese family!? As far as i know, a net income of €787 per month would feel like a dream to most people here, that I can assure you.

     

    Those statistical averages are always inflated by the few % of people earning (or stealing) millions while others keep the pennies.

     

    But if you have any doubts, why don't you come here and do a little survey!?
    27 Dec 2012, 12:24 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    Average is average. EU27 average annual income in 2011 was €14843. If you think outliers are distorting, consider this includes Bulgaria (€2901) Estonia (€5598) Latvia (€4194) Lithuania (€4005) Hungary (€4535) Poland (€5025) Romania (€2116) Slovakia (€6306) Croatia (€5543). If you don't like income levels in Portugal, you are entitled to work anywhere in the EU, something not available to the majority of the world's population who could only dream of earning what you do.

     

    Facts are available - search for income: http://bit.ly/Rl2yat
    27 Dec 2012, 04:08 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    "Average is average."

     

    Since you seem to have completely failed to grasp my point, here's a small example:

     

    Population = 100
    If 99 people are making $100 a month and a single person earns €50 000 a month... on average, each person earns €599 a month.

     

    Statistical averages are the simplest way to make a lie appear as a truth...
    27 Dec 2012, 05:43 PM Reply Like
  • Leont68
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    A person from lets say Croatia could move to the UK, but dont expect that person to be making what a average brit would make.

     

    I recently read this article about a greek trying to find work in Sweden. http://buswk.co/UwmVBr.

     

    So while in theory if you do not like what you make in lets say Slovakia and would like to move to holland to make more, in reality you would only be treated as a second class citizen there.
    27 Dec 2012, 06:01 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    No, average is average, and that was exactly my point. You (with your perspective and agenda) are probably more interested in the median, and maybe the standard deviation. Statistics are a tool, they do not lie, but like all tools you have to know how to use them properly.
    27 Dec 2012, 06:26 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    @Leont68 But they may make more than an average Croatian would be making. I have friends and colleagues who have migrated within the EU, for economic and other reasons. They work hard and didn't expect success to be automatic. It may not be possible for everyone to prosper, but it is an available option, and many skilled and motivated individuals have found success this way.

     

    Presumably it is better to have the option than not - what would you propose instead?
    27 Dec 2012, 06:35 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    Well, nothing you say disproved my point.

     

    Average salary in Portugal: €787
    The average worker in Portugal earns a lot less than €787 a month. Please stop confusing the 2 things.

     

    A Nokia 920 is very expensive for most people here and if you don't believe it, book your next holidays to Portugal to check with your own eyes...
    27 Dec 2012, 06:57 PM Reply Like
  • Matt-Man
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    Portugal being one of the poorest countries with relatively small population 10m is bad a example. When I lived in Scandinavia years ago, average gross salary was 3000e+ per month that has in total higher population as well.

     

    Germany having biggest population 80m+ has average salary per person 2800e+.

     

    I do not think you would use Alabama average salary to represent USA average salary either.

     

    And as a last point, while on can say 1000$ phone is expensive, USA pays more than 1800$ per two years:
    http://huff.to/W4sXW7

     

    As monopolies are no longer in EU telecom, one can enjoy much cheaper total cost for any phone in most European countries.
    27 Dec 2012, 07:28 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    The 'average worker' earns exactly the average salary. The majority of workers (based on your assertion, I haven't seen the statistics) earn less than the average. If there's any confusion here maybe it's simply semantic. Average = Total quantity / Number of units.

     

    I don't doubt that a Nokia 920 is very expensive for most people in Portugal and I wouldn't expect an 'average worker' to buy one. It's a flagship phone, and Nokia make phones at all price levels from €20 to €600+.

     

    However, your first post said: "Meanwhile, if you're in Europe and you really, really want a 920, you must pay €700... which is way more than an average European earns in a month." This was clearly incorrect; QED.
    27 Dec 2012, 07:34 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    No, lakofsth, I am not incorrect. I know exactly what I said and I what I meant by it. You were the one who misunderstood what I wrote, not me. That's pretty clear.

     

    And just because you cannot admit you misinterpreted my initial post, you keep on pushing and pushing, constantly twisting my words... and as a result of your attitude, we are now discussing semantics!?

     

    Jeez, I give up. You're on the verge of trolling and nothing positive will ever come out of such discussion. We're both wasting our time here. Bye.
    28 Dec 2012, 03:37 AM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    I'm on vacation - time to waste :)

     

    So you didn't write this? http://seekingalpha.co...
    28 Dec 2012, 11:17 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    Yes, I did. Too bad you completely misunderstood what I wrote, lakofsth, even after I gave you a very simple mathematical example.

     

    I won't bother explaining again. I know what I meant but you still don't get it.

     

    Sincerely, if you don't want to understand, so be it. It's your own right... but why do you keep insisting!? Are you trying to increase your Troll status or something like that!? I don't see the point.
    28 Dec 2012, 12:15 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    Well, that's fine of course! It's clear that you know what you meant, and that what you wrote doesn't mean that. No problem for me at all.
    28 Dec 2012, 01:22 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    "what you wrote doesn't mean that."

     

    OK, I get you. When you're proven wrong, you get upset and counter-attack by trolling. While that might be funny on some forums, here it's just... distracting. Well, you can stop now. OK?

     

    Can we please get back to the point being discussed before? I believe it was the 920 pricing and discounts in America.

     

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    In Europe, the discounts are nowhere near those values. I believe Nokia will have higher profit margins but less sales in Europe.

     

    The discount strategy seems to be the way to get Americans interested in an alternative to Android and iOS. I think they are intentionally lowering the prices to conquer some market. It makes sense in order to gain some momentum.
    29 Dec 2012, 12:50 PM Reply Like
  • lakofsth
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    Trolling? Well, if you can call application of logic and language trolling, then I'm a troll, guilty as any.

     

    The prices are not discounted in US, they are subsidised. Total cost of ownership is higher in US than EU.
    29 Dec 2012, 01:45 PM Reply Like
  • Hans Thoma
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    There is no such thing as "the average worker"....
    ..Average refers to a number, not a physical person. The correct way of saying what you want to say is: "Most (or the majority of) Europeans earn less than €700 per month"
    30 Dec 2012, 10:21 AM Reply Like
  • Derek A. Barrett
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    WP8 and Nokia is a darkhorse combo and will be nice to continue to see them grab market share from Android platforms.

     

    The hardware and OS have been getting great reviews, and features like wireless charging and a great camera do set it apart.

     

    The knock against Windows Phone is the lack of apps, but for most users, the 80/20 rule applies here.

     

    I mean seriously, iOS and Android outnumber Windows phone in sheer number of apps, but do you really need 10 different versions of things like Flashlight?

     

    Microsoft has really deep pockets, and they will find the 20% of apps that 80% of people use, and if there isn't one there, they will simply hire someone to make it.

     

    You will see this app chasm close pretty fast.

     

    Long Wintel
    27 Dec 2012, 11:15 AM Reply Like
  • bivanov
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    Amazon is not offering the free wireless charger so that is why the price is lower ... Do the math and you will see that the discount is only $10
    27 Dec 2012, 11:15 AM Reply Like
  • bivanov
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    Amazon does not offer the free wireless charger, so the discount is actually only $10
    27 Dec 2012, 11:15 AM Reply Like
  • tomybhoy
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    The average European earns more than 700 euro per month.
    27 Dec 2012, 11:16 AM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    No. If someone earns more than €700, that person is already above average.
    (In some countries like Portugal, Greece, Spain... €700 is more or less the income of many couples.)
    27 Dec 2012, 11:35 AM Reply Like
  • willvan
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    the averege european (EU-pean) earns a lot more than 700 EUR/month. In Slovenia (EU member from 2004) for example, the minimum net wage for 40h/week is about 600 EUR net + cost for food (from 80- 120 EUR) and travel to work. And Slovenia has under the EU average wages (that is for sure)
    27 Dec 2012, 04:22 PM Reply Like
  • akoshi
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    I speak from experience from being to greece many times as well as having family there. Depending on what type of job you have, the average person will not make anywhere close to 600 Euro per week.... Mitrado is right when he says that the average monthly income is less than €700. Do you understand that someone making €600 in europe would be making the equivalent of $800 a week in the US??? that is not even close to average. Willvan, i dont know where you got your figures from, but just using my cousins for example, one who works at western union, one who does construction and one who works in a department store, the average of all three falls around €400 a month.
    27 Dec 2012, 04:53 PM Reply Like
  • akoshi
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    http://bit.ly/RUSNRj
    List of Countries in Europe by monthly average wage...
    27 Dec 2012, 04:56 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    Statistical averages, akoshi? Let me tell you something about them...

     

    Here's a small example:

     

    Population = 100
    If 99 people are making $100 a month and a single person earns €50 000 a month... on average, each person earns €599 a month.

     

    Statistical averages are the easiest tool available for governments to hide the truth.
    27 Dec 2012, 05:47 PM Reply Like
  • Matt-Man
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    Yes, I heard that Warren Buffet earns 99.9% of all salaries in US also, so market for highly priced phones is only one person in North America if not counting Canada.

     

    Damn averages.
    27 Dec 2012, 07:36 PM Reply Like
  • bmwmc
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    Its will be sad if Nokia can't right themselves with these phones. I've made money on the stock and I own the 822. Its an awesome phone really. I love it. Windows 8 is much better than the Android and Apples OS isn't much better.

     

    I'll be giving my wife the 822 when Verizon gets the 920 or its successor. These phone are the best out there and its a shame more people don't know that.
    27 Dec 2012, 12:26 PM Reply Like
  • mitrado
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    Well, if Nokia isn't successful with the phone business, they can just ditch it and focus on the other 2 areas of business that are profitable at the moment. That's why I'm not worried.

     

    If they profit from the phone business, perfect.
    If not, they should just kill it once and for all.

     

    In either case, NOK is worth more than $4 a share.
    27 Dec 2012, 12:31 PM Reply Like
  • jammerculture
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    omg has no one ever heard of boxing week sales? You know when retailers lower prices after Christmas to pull in customers that want what their friends got for Christmas at a deal.

     

    I am seriously thinking about getting out of the American market. There is way to much fear mongering, ignorance and manipulation. Learn to think people.
    28 Dec 2012, 01:22 PM Reply Like
  • nibelung
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    Checking the Amazon link shows the 920 at #9, not #16
    28 Dec 2012, 01:46 PM Reply Like
  • ericmeister
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    @nibelung

     

    well the Amazon chart is changing on hourly basis, Lumia 920 now at #14, the best AT&T device is #10.

     

    Top spot goes to Verizon SGS3 with price tag of $59.99, which probably means Samsung is in deep trouble because of huge discount, right Seeking Alpha?
    29 Dec 2012, 06:44 PM Reply Like
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