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With bin Laden dead, what's next? What's changed? Short-term, the U.S. must brace for the...

With bin Laden dead, what's next? What's changed? Short-term, the U.S. must brace for the possibility of retaliation, and oil markets could see increased volatility. Long-term, the U.S. must decide whether to "press the advantage" in the Mideast or begin to pull back. For Obama, the political glow could last until Nov. 2012, but much can happen in 18 months.
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  • tigersam
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    Here is what is next:

     

    To all terrorist:

     

    Give it up terrorism or face the same fate as Bin Laden.
    2 May 2011, 06:31 PM Reply Like
  • Joe Morgan
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    The most interesting part of all this....is that Osama was living in a luxury compound next to an ISI and military Pakistan center.....coincidence? This sounds too fishy.....

     

    I always have suspicion of the ISI because it was verified that they helped and trained Taliban fighters.....

     

    It is very clear that the ISI was protecting Bin Laden, the fact that he had only three to four armed men with him clearly leads to this conclusion....
    2 May 2011, 09:50 PM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    If only it was that simple. When and if "playing the game along side the US" payed the bills and built a future for the people of the middle east then the terrorists might think again. That does not seem to be happening.

     

    It is appearing that our "allies" in the middle east are not as secure as we thought and for good reason. Real friends are hard to come by, as we say. We have to earn respect and our policies have a lot of respect to earn.

     

    Having said that, we have to keep the hard line but earn respect by keeping our noses out of their business and playing for keeps with their future welfare in ours and their best interests.

     

    Other wise we are back to square one with terrorism being the status quo.
    2 May 2011, 11:30 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    If pressing the advantage requires a lot of money that is not going to happen. However if it means we selectively go and kill the bad guys here and there using special forces when the bad guy pops their head out of the hole we can probably do that.

     

    Obama will get some love for this, along with the other people who have been working on this forever, as he was involved and paying attention which was nice but now he has to figure out what next or people will wonder if he is a one-hit wonder.

     

    American wins big as terrorists have to know that if you are on a hit list the search will grind on every day until you are dead or captured. Or getting water boarded in Gitmo. If nothing else they might start looking at their career choices as the glamour is wearing off.
    2 May 2011, 06:42 PM Reply Like
  • radicall
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    There are no big terrorists anymore. There are a lot of small ones. we can't send out a million troops to find a 1000 little guys. Even if we kill them - another 1000 will pop up

     

    It's a feel good, but getting terrorism under control means bringing social change to countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan, creating jobs in those countries there so people don't have to join terror cells, improving trade etc. and of course cutting of the supply of money to the terrorists.

     

    They feel like useless things and a waste of money - but IMO it would be cheaper than war and the only real solution.
    2 May 2011, 10:03 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    Jobs? That is hilarious when we cannot even create jobs in the US!

     

    If I was a tribal leader in those countries why would I want jobs for people and upward mobility? I want people under my control and doing my bidding and I will give them favors. And the women forget about it. They have no chance.

     

    Our western commercial view and values cannot be overlaid on these countries at least not without force or extreme bribery. And it would take forever.

     

    I say just have a strike force ready to go and if anyone like Osama pops up mouthing off and declares war on the US then give him what he is looking for. That is a lot cheaper than changing belief systems that have been around for centuries. When they are ready to change they will change.
    2 May 2011, 11:33 PM Reply Like
  • Ricard
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    "They feel like useless things and a waste of money - but IMO it would be cheaper than war and the only real solution."

     

    Great post, but I must add that there has to be some overt form of 'gratitude' attached to this. Politics is not known for altruism. It has to be a win/win.
    3 May 2011, 02:12 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    Ricard

     

    If it was an amount of money that was affordable I would say go for it but I believe it is beyond our capacity. Keep in mind the people who want change have all left and are living someplace else. What is left is the people who are entrenched.

     

    Changing their minds is very difficult. However if we invest let's not bury it in the military budget.
    3 May 2011, 01:20 PM Reply Like
  • radicall
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    Thomas I would agree with you if Osama was the only terrorist but these people exist in the thousands and live in civilian populations. The only way you can be sure to get them all is to Nuke all the countries they reside in (quite a few in US too).

     

    Osama himself had several thosand followers, there are all kinds of Madrasas around the world teaching teenagers that anyone who doesn't believe or act in a certain manner should be "gotten rid of". How do you even identify everyone with such beliefs? Let alone find out if they are going to act on it and then deal with them?
    3 May 2011, 09:52 PM Reply Like
  • radicall
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    I would recommend a documentary "Behind Taliban Lines" to those who seek to understand background and motivations of some of the people who join organizations like Al-Quaeda.

     

    Thomas the amount of money developed economies would have to invest in helping improve some infrastructure in some of these countries would be 1 hundredth of what a war costs us

     

    It costs say $50K US to build a school in Pakistan * 1000 schools = 50 million USD.

     

    To compare: 1 Tomahawk cruise missile costs 1.4 million before even accounting for the any additional cost of delivering a payload like the ships/ planes / crew / fuel / maintenance and training.

     

    in there are two practicaly options -

     

    a) Don't do anything and let them be - good or bad, we don't care unless they try to get on to US soil and cause damage.

     

    b) Invest in development of their infrastructure and economy so they have better options, GDP growth and growing trade with US (we benefit too).

     

    I'm not saying that we have to take approach b - approach a might be equally cost effective. But Bombing, killing and destroying infrastructure does us as a country little long term good.
    3 May 2011, 10:13 PM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    rad

     

    There are also 7 Billion people in the world so what are the chances that some of them will hate us no matter what? We just have to live with some of this irrational hatred and not give them reason to hate us unnecessarily and take out the really bad ones.

     

    We should be throwing a flag on the institutionalized hate organizations and the Madrasas are pretty high on that list. Funded with money from Saudi Arabia and pointed at us. Notice none of the Saudi royal family is going to those schools or strapping on bombs?
    4 May 2011, 12:35 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    Rad

     

    It costs the US a lot more to build anything because we have our military doing the work and they require bases, security and gunships. If we want to do these things then we need to get them under a different organization or do more funding and less of the work.

     

    Whatever the case we are overspending right now and we need results for less money.
    4 May 2011, 12:38 AM Reply Like
  • Ricard
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    "It costs the US a lot more to build anything because we have our military doing the work and they require bases, security and gunships. If we want to do these things then we need to get them under a different organization or do more funding and less of the work."

     

    You've just described the CIA...
    4 May 2011, 02:11 AM Reply Like
  • The Geoffster
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    "What's next?" Glad you asked. Iran looks mighty juicy, but look for boots on the ground in Libya. Under NATO command, of course.
    2 May 2011, 06:47 PM Reply Like
  • Machiavelli999
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    In my eyes, the only thing this has done is guarantee Obama's reelection. So, now you can make your investment choices with that "certainty" in mind.
    2 May 2011, 06:52 PM Reply Like
  • mike8599
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    Don't bank on it..... if the economy doesn't recover he still has an uphil battle.
    2 May 2011, 07:31 PM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    Your quote Mchiavelli999,

     

    Dec 8 2009

     

    "What will people say when we are gaining 100k+ jobs every month this time next year about Obama's policies?"

     

    And now you say. "So, now you can make your investment choices with that "certainty" in mind."

     

    And you say?

     

    And I say, You don't have a leg to stand on. Shut the f... up.
    2 May 2011, 11:35 PM Reply Like
  • Not_a_planner
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    Economy is slowly getting better

     

    Alternatives are not that attractive
    2 May 2011, 11:53 PM Reply Like
  • Machiavelli999
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    I was wrong cbc. We are gaining 200k+ jobs a month now.
    3 May 2011, 01:29 AM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    Economic Genius , Dream on!
    3 May 2011, 01:35 AM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2...
    Read your quote and then respond to the "official data". Remember your quote was in 2009 so we have to look at 2010 data. Also your 2011 data is questionable to say the least. We are not all lemmings.

     

    As I said shut the f.. up
    3 May 2011, 02:19 AM Reply Like
  • Machiavelli999
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    Yes, yes cbc. Everything is a conspiracy. Of course. We know.

     

    Also, my quote was in DECEMBER 2009.

     

    If you don't trust the BLS, look at Gallup which just surveys people. It's economic indicators have been more positive than the government's for quite awhile now, especially on the job creation front.

     

    www.gallup.com/poll/12...

     

    And recently, ADP's payroll data has been more positive than BLS numbers as well.

     

    But I know, everyone is in on the conspiracy. Of course.
    3 May 2011, 07:28 PM Reply Like
  • Terry330
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    Never send a Republican to do a real man's job. Well done, Mr. President.
    2 May 2011, 06:57 PM Reply Like
  • The Geoffster
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    I'll bet you dogs to donuts there were no Democrats on that mission.
    2 May 2011, 07:13 PM Reply Like
  • coddy0
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    Terry330
    Well done, Mr. President.
    ==================
    Well indeed
    To do this job done, he had to side step every vow he had gave to each Terry during and before 2008.

     

    And while doing this, he never came into public dressed in military uniform unlike his predecessor in chief
    Praised is deserved
    2 May 2011, 07:51 PM Reply Like
  • tigersam
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    Terry330:

     

    One thing I like about Obama is that he is very well focused man. In recent presidential history he is one of the best president. Sending the US navy seals next to Pakistani army and get Osam need lot of courage. I hope he gets elected again.

     

    2 May 2011, 08:46 PM Reply Like
  • Bear Bait
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    At least the man in the pentagon didn't get all pissy like Rumsfeld did when the CIA found him 2002(?) and lthen piddle fart around until binladen got away. If the pentagon did get pissy this time, looks like this President had enough guts to say "get over it and get 'er done".
    2 May 2011, 09:16 PM Reply Like
  • wyostocks
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    You are the same morons who screamed bloody hell over waterboarding. So let me understand, outright murder is fine but waterboarding is not.
    You lefties are pure phonies.
    2 May 2011, 09:41 PM Reply Like
  • montanamark
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    hilarious to watch liberals triangulate. the same people who called for criminal prosecution of Bush for mere waterboarding now celebrate obama droning entire villages and doing 2 taps to the face. if Bush was president yesterday everyone would be talking war crimes today.
    BTW obama resisted all intelligence techniques that have brought results and Congressman King announced today that the bin laden kill was fruit of waterboarding. when does obama thank the waterboarders? when does he thank Bush?
    2 May 2011, 11:34 PM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    We can equate you with Machiavelli999. Two idiots, one from the left and one from the right. Put the two of you together and it is one hell of a "square" dance. We need to walk you guys thru the middle aisle and crucify you extremist yokols because you fight against the sensible middle ground with your left/right horseshit. If you think for a minute that your Dem/Rep parties are any different then think again. You generalizing simpletons are the biggest problem we have. Left or right. Go away and MAYBE we can get to the crux of all our problems.
    2 May 2011, 11:49 PM Reply Like
  • Not_a_planner
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    This is far from certain
    3 May 2011, 12:07 AM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    That is BS Geoffster,

     

    And you should no better than making left/right generalizations. You are a libertarion for christs sake. I have been a democrat and and a now a libertarian and I would not volunteer for that mission. But does that mean no democrat would? Come on?
    3 May 2011, 12:16 AM Reply Like
  • 867046
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    Again you republicans, as usual, miss the very big picture. OBL played the republican party. OBL wanted to economically weaken the US and he succeeded under the republicans. Under Bush 43, was invading Iraq and Afghanistan the most cost effective way of fighting terrorism? Bush's OBL fixation goaded Bush 43 into being reckless. Bush 43 started two major wars, and cut taxes for a net loss to the US balance sheet of $3 - 4 trillion dollars. Not to mention the additional costs of the lives lost and the care of the returning veterans. Plus all the equipment being used in Iraq and Afghanistan will either have to be expensed or refurbished.

     

    Oh, and he didn't get OBL.

     

    Bush 43 is the first president in history to cut revenue and start a major war. During this period, our major economic competitor added about $3 trillion to their balance sheet, for about a $7 trillion dollar swing between us and them. If this is republican fiscal management in our national interest, we don't need any more of their medicine.
    3 May 2011, 01:42 AM Reply Like
  • Ricard
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    "And while doing this, he never came into public dressed in military uniform unlike his predecessor in chief"

     

    Bush was a disgrace to the uniform.
    3 May 2011, 03:31 AM Reply Like
  • Ricard
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    "You are the same morons who screamed bloody hell over waterboarding."

     

    I thought the entire objection to torture was that it attempted to bring about a fate worse than death. So in that sense, yes, KIA is a better and more humane fate that years spent in some undisclosed CIA cell.
    3 May 2011, 04:11 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    867.....

     

    Bush was socially conservative but a wild ass spender. In that sense he was liberal. The left should love him and Obama does because he has kept the defense spending rolling.
    3 May 2011, 01:25 PM Reply Like
  • valueinvestor123
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    Throughout today and I am sure for the next several weeks you will hear Democrats take credit for Osama being dead and you will hear Republicans downplay Obama's role and talk up how killing Osama started with Bush. However, you will not hear a single word from the people who in my opinion deserve all the credit: The SEALs and Intel community. Instead, they will quietly go about their business preparing to take down the next threat to the United States. Is it any wonder why so many people admire our troops and dislike politicians?
    2 May 2011, 07:55 PM Reply Like
  • The Geoffster
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    Complete reversal from Viet Nam War Era.
    2 May 2011, 09:02 PM Reply Like
  • Bear Bait
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    Value, you are right. Very, very much unsung heroes. Since I'm beyond enlistment age I can't say when I grow up; so, I'll say in my nest life I want to be a Navy Seal.
    2 May 2011, 09:24 PM Reply Like
  • EMS
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    I think we all feel exactly this way, to give it all up to be a Navy seal and do this greatness , like killing Hitler... as good as it gets. That's what makes America great, and us great Americans,
    2 May 2011, 10:26 PM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    Well said,
    However the "next threat" to the US is our government and their policies. Our policies and their disregard for other cultures and their needs is our problem. We reap what we sow.

     

    Sure there are evil people and extremists but they have their reasons.

     

    Pull out of the middle east, stop manipulating their governments and we will see the problems with the extremists end.

     

    Remember Saddam was "our boy" for a long time.
    3 May 2011, 12:03 AM Reply Like
  • Not_a_planner
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    How can you not give Obama some credit?
    3 May 2011, 12:08 AM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    Because he is just a figurehead. Do you actually think he had did anything to get the job done?
    3 May 2011, 12:21 AM Reply Like
  • 867046
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    So as a logical corollary, you would claim that if Obama hadn't found OBL by the 2012 elections, he wouldn't be getting any republican chicken hawk static?
    3 May 2011, 01:15 AM Reply Like
  • wyostocks
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    Perhaps because he was watching TV while the real people who deserve credit were risking their lives.
    3 May 2011, 09:48 AM Reply Like
  • radicall
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    Yes cbc. He was the one that made the choice to go ahead with the strike after listening to various opinions (some dissenting) from his advisors.

     

    Saying the President is just a figurehead is like saying that the CEO of JPM is just a figurehead. If that is true - please give me Jamie Dimon's job :)
    3 May 2011, 10:21 PM Reply Like
  • Stoploss
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    I think it's clear that in this administration, you really can make this shit up. Just one big Hollywood movie.
    2 May 2011, 07:57 PM Reply Like
  • IgnisFatuus
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    "(seekingalpha.com/symbo... political glow could last until Nov. 2012"...I seriously doubt it if the economy doesn't do a whole heck of a lot better between now and Nov. 2012.
    I give Obama high marks for having the gonads to authorize the SEAL Team to do their job since they weren't suppose to perform any operations in Pakistan.
    The US needs to take a long hard look at the Pakistani Leadership and Military and find out just who had been protecting OBL these past couple of years.
    2 May 2011, 09:04 PM Reply Like
  • Duude
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    I'm curious about the evolving politics in Pakistan. President Ali Asif Zardari will be on the hot seat with a certain percent of the Pakistani population due to the partial relinquishment of their sovereignty to a foreign country. Though many Pakistanis will be satisfied Bin Laden is out of their hair, allowing US soldiers to pull this mission under their nose won't be well tolerated by many of those same people.
    2 May 2011, 09:27 PM Reply Like
  • tigersam
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    Pakistan has to be very careful. United States is not India. Even US doubts Pakistani government was involved helping Osam, that will be end of Pakistan. Pakistan will be in stone age. What India could not do in 50 years, it will be done in one week.
    2 May 2011, 09:36 PM Reply Like
  • radicall
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    Pakistani military and intelligence both have close ties to terrorists and fundamentalists (apologies in advance to any Pakis who read this).

     

    They have been supporting these groups for over 30 years now - so it is a bit funny that we were relying on them to "help" us find the terrorists. Yes they caught a few token guys - but the real deal was right under their nose all this time.

     

    Glad to see this covert op just take care of the problem, even though I realize that if some other country was to fly a chopper into US in order to kill someone they didn't like - we'd probably call it terrorism or at least make a big deal out of it.
    2 May 2011, 10:14 PM Reply Like
  • DianeLee
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    Now and then, it's time to play the trump card...and btw service notice that WE don't appreciate double-dealing.
    3 May 2011, 10:10 AM Reply Like
  • Terry330
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    9-11 happened under bush because he ignored the intelligen­ce that was building up all summer. He was busy taking vacations, more than any other president in their first 8 months

     

    Obama Didn't ignore any of the intelligen­ce, acted on the options and Osama was caught. Strong, true leadership­. America is lucky to have such an intelligen­t president.
    2 May 2011, 09:44 PM Reply Like
  • tigersam
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    Bush was in the school during 9-11 listening to fairy tail like lost person. He had no leadership skill.

     

    Whereas Obama is a very practical man. Under his administration US got respect around the world. During Bush's administration when I traveled outside the US, I was afraid to tell I was American.
    3 May 2011, 09:45 AM Reply Like
  • TomasViewPoint
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    tigger

     

    You make me laugh. I am sure when you travelled in your liberal left wing circles of course they did not like Bush but they definitely wanted the US to make sure terrorists did not get to them personally and overrun their country. They wanted to talk disparangily about the guy but please make sure nobody hurts us. I can tell you conservatives around the world thought he was doing the best he could and that is a circle you probably have never even seen. Frankly there are a lot of idiots around the world just like here in the US and listening to them as if they have some great insight is a mistake. Most of them live in countries that used to think they ran the world and with the US leading the way there is a bit of jeaolusy

     

    Obama is thought around the world to be a lot of talk and high level statements and then no action. This OBL killing was his most real action he has ever taken and it was risky so he will get some street cred for it. We will see where he goes next.
    3 May 2011, 01:30 PM Reply Like
  • Bouchart
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    The "political glow" won't last long at all. People will forget all about bin Laden with the next news report of some TSA agent's overly aggressive pat-down (rape). Not to mention the looming debt catastrophe, high inflation, high unemployment and high gas prices.

     

    If anything people will want a dismantling of things like the Patriot Act and so forth and won't have the patience for that sort of thing any longer.
    2 May 2011, 10:14 PM Reply Like
  • montanamark
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    notice the MSM's main focus - how will this help obamagod
    2 May 2011, 11:43 PM Reply Like
  • Mattabi528
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    Show me the WMD's
    Show me the body -- other wise I ain't falling for it again.
    2 May 2011, 10:27 PM Reply Like
  • cbc
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    That is a sensible and cynical attitude. You are thinking right.
    3 May 2011, 12:22 AM Reply Like
  • Ricard
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    Not even the Pakistanis have seen the body...who's to say we're going to see one?

     

    Better yet, I want to see his birth certificate...:)
    3 May 2011, 02:14 AM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Jeez, where's all the 'community organizer' guys to tell us it took a 'community organizer' to kill Bin Laden where both Clinton and baby Bush failed.

     

    I look forward to seeing what the new Obama hater adjective will be.
    3 May 2011, 07:26 AM Reply Like
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