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Ford (F -0.2%) recalls 230K minivans for issues with corrosion. Models affected include the Ford...

Ford (F -0.2%) recalls 230K minivans for issues with corrosion. Models affected include the Ford Freestar and Mercury Monterey from model years 2004 to 2007.
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  • LibertyCampaign
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    That's gonna hurt their momentum. It might only be a matter of time before we see the stock dive back down to under $8.
    7 Mar 2013, 11:15 AM Reply Like
  • angelfly2525
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    I purchased a Ford 2013 CMAX in the first month I had to take it to the dealer 3 times for repairs. I called Ford they basically said too bad. I had to get rid of it and take a $12,000 loss. Ford has quality problems that will reflect in its stock price.
    7 Mar 2013, 01:13 PM Reply Like
  • LibertyCampaign
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    Ford ran into quality problems in the early 80's with the aluminum heads on diecast motors, then they switched to foreign motors, and they were pretty good for awhile, but it seems that they are going to run into a big problem with massive recalls like Toyota unless they start focusing on making quality vehicles, with a solid warranty. They should learn from Hyundai, they were about to go under so they redesigned their vehicles, and offered the best warranties in the business. I bought a Sonata and never used the warranty, because those cars were solid! If you build them to last you will save money on warranty issues. Bring them in for oil changes, and regular maintenance, not unnecessary repairs that reflect badly on their name. It is really hard to win back a customer when you burn them bad. I never owned a Ford, some of my family members did, and I heard enough horror stories to convince myself to stay with my Vintage Volkswagen Beetle...at least I can fix that on the road if it breaks down. Recently Ford has brought out some stylish and fuel efficient rides. The CMAX is a nice looking vehicle. You got a lemon, and under the Lemon law, if you take it to the dealership three times for the same reason, and they can't fix the problem, then they have an obligation to replace your vehicle. I wouldn't listen to the dealership, I would go straight to the top to fix that mess. If Ford is unwilling to stand behind their brand then they wouldn't have lasted this long.
    8 Mar 2013, 12:45 AM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    You do understand that Angel has been challenged on this claim before, and refused to explain. Only 2 comments - a classic single-topic hit and run troll post.

     

    Ford's warranty is as good as any other, for as long as it lasts. There is no reason to believe that the Dealership or Ford would not "repair" something if it was a defect, assuming there is a "fix".

     

    Chances are the "problem", if there was any, was he had buyer's remorse and decided he didn't like the color, or the leather steering wheel, or the size of the tires, and wanted something changed.

     

    Or he did not know how to use some feature and believed it was defective.

     

    Or he wrecked it and wanted warranty coverage for the damaged parts, or tried to suggest it came that way from the dealer.

     

    Or he heard there was a problem on another vehicle and wanted his fixed - like an engine swap.

     

    Or he just did not know how to drive a hybrid for the best fuel efficiency.

     

    At worst, it might be one of those situations where the MyFord Touch screen was having a another or a new software "glitch" that they are still working on a fix.

     

    It is absurd to assume that the fellow found a truly defective part in his new car, and the dealer refused to make it right.
    8 Mar 2013, 05:56 AM Reply Like
  • Ryandan
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    Once again you throw the "liar" card out there when someone complains about a Ford. All those reasons why the man must be a fool and dishonest. Just how desperate are you Tdot when it comes to Ford stock?
    8 Mar 2013, 08:15 AM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    Just how desperate are you to stalk?

     

    I am only interested in the Truth and what can be Verified. You are the one with the crazy agenda, and continue to stalk my comments.

     

    OCD much?
    8 Mar 2013, 08:27 AM Reply Like
  • Ryandan
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    You're on every Ford article and comment full time every day. I couldn't avoid you if I wanted to. Some of your facts and figures are right but your claims on personal knowledge and research are laughable.

     

    Every time you talk about quality, Ford issues another recall. Your personal research and reviews proving CR is a fraud and trying to damage Ford is hysterical.

     

    I agree with you on some issues but lately you're attacking people's character, their integrity, and their honesty.

     

    Did Ford make you God on this forum? State the facts and disagree all you want. You're not qualified to determine who's honest and who needs to be listened to. You're just one of us - act like it.
    8 Mar 2013, 12:29 PM Reply Like
  • LibertyCampaign
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    Well, for one he failed to comment on what the defect was. That was a red flag. Second, you should never take a dealerships word as Ford's word. Third if the dealership refuses to help you then you need to contact corporate and let them know, and possibly go to another dealership. If you are under warranty any ford dealer will fix the problem...oh and I do not presently own Ford stock, and I do not presently own a Ford vehicle. Tdot was only trying to understand this very vague situation. It sounded to me that
    angelfly2525 gave up his car, rather than try to settle this problem with the right individuals.
    8 Mar 2013, 02:05 PM Reply Like
  • Lawa2007
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    I doubt it very much.
    7 Mar 2013, 01:20 PM Reply Like
  • jpmj4847
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    Yes Lawa2007, and the beat goes on, go F. jpmj4847
    7 Mar 2013, 09:54 PM Reply Like
  • JonBeGood
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    Recalls of older vehicles for various problems is not unusual. Ford does need to make sure that it's new vehicles are built well from the get- go. The 2013 Ford Escape launch was marred by 3 embarrassing recalls with Ford subsequently promising to improve initial production quality.
    7 Mar 2013, 06:59 PM Reply Like
  • caben
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    I drive a 2003 Ford Taurus SEL. Maintain her regularly and no issues. Husband has a 2009 Ford Fusion - he maintains her per Ford maintenance schedule. No issues. You can always find a stick to hit a dog, as my gran used to say. ;-)
    8 Mar 2013, 06:52 AM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    This is old news. Ford has been working with the NHTSA about corrosion problems from road salt in these older discontinued minivans for quite some time now. Initially the recall for inspections was only for those vehicles sold in northern states where salt is/was used to melt ice and snow on roads. But since older vehicles tend to change hands, and can travel to the north, the threat of corrosion is more wide spread. The sensible solution is to recall all of them, have the vehicle undercarriage inspected for rust and corrosion, and make repairs as needed.

     

    Also note than many of these older minivans are long since retired and junked out. And lots were traded in and destroyed during cash for clunkers. The risk is for those few remaining on the road, as second or third hand ownerships, with folks who may not be taking great care of them as if they were new. They can now present a possible road hazard if, for example, the spare wheel falls off due to a rusty corroded bracket, which should have been treated or replaced long ago, but for whatever reason was not.

     

    Ford and NHTSA keep track of the numbers of vehicles that were recalled, but were never brought in for the needed repairs. When the "completed" percentages are low, the recalls are re-issued, to try to track down the remainders.

     

    Note that this is true of all automakers - nothing unique about Ford, aside from perhaps a higher proactive willingness to recall vehicles that may have problems, compared to, say, Toyota.
    8 Mar 2013, 07:07 AM Reply Like
  • Ryandan
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    "This is old news?"

     

    What's getting old is all the recalls.

     

    Two weeks ago 750,000 Fords recalled for sudden lose of power.

     

    "Old News" on rust problems. When it was new news Ford should have figured out how to fix it. Continuing to be stupid is not an excuse.
    8 Mar 2013, 08:18 AM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    You must have missed the part about the vehicles were already recalled. They are being re-recalled because not all of them have been serviced.
    8 Mar 2013, 08:25 AM Reply Like
  • Ryandan
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    Then Ford needs to do a better job of contacting customers and making things right.
    8 Mar 2013, 12:31 PM Reply Like
  • Tdot
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    You also missed the point that many of these cars are now second and third hand. Automakers cannot and do not track customers of private sales after the first owner.
    8 Mar 2013, 01:26 PM Reply Like
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