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The Nokia (NOK -0.7%) Lumia 928 (codenamed Laser) will hit Verizon in April, sources tell The...

The Nokia (NOK -0.7%) Lumia 928 (codenamed Laser) will hit Verizon in April, sources tell The Verge. The 928 is said to feature an aluminum body (previous) rather than the polycarbonate body used by the 920, something that will help make the device thinner/lighter. It will also reportedly have a Xenon/LED flash and OLED display - the 920 uses an IPS LCD display and LED flash. (41MP sensor phone rumors: I, II)
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  • LumiaMan
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    does a camera need 41 mp, why not 25?

     

    is xenon/led flash and OLED display better than IPS LCD and LED flash? are they equal? please clarify?
    12 Mar 2013, 11:53 AM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
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    A xenon/LED flash will be brighter than a standalone LED flash. Whether OLEDs are superior to IPS LCDs is very subjective. Apple is convinced LCDs offer superior image quality, Samsung feels differently.
    12 Mar 2013, 11:58 AM Reply Like
  • ATX
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    higher mp translate to better quality on photos, the higher the better
    OLED is the latest display technology, it's like looking out your window, way better than the current LED/LCD display, 55" OLED TV cost 10x the LED TV price.
    12 Mar 2013, 12:51 PM Reply Like
  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
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    There is some internal technological reason for 41MP in Pureview. In reality the photos are less than 10MP in size (I do not remember what exactly). Pureview basically oversamples the image, and uses all 41MP of information to produce a very high quality photo of less pixels.

     

    Also, if I remember right, current incarnation of W8 simply can not handle the image processing involved in true Pureview imaging.
    12 Mar 2013, 01:00 PM Reply Like
  • Matt-Man
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    Reason is that much needed zoom requires thick lens that just is not possible in thin phone. Having 41Mpix allows one to crop 8Mpix and effectively have 'zoom' without bulk lens. Also without zoom one gets oversampled images with better quality than plain 8Mpix camera.
    12 Mar 2013, 01:33 PM Reply Like
  • css1971
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    They oversample them down to about 8Mpixels to improve image quality. You can get a raw 38MP image if you like though... Huge though.
    12 Mar 2013, 02:21 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    I am not in favour of a Xenon flash. Good Xenon vs. LED article here http://bit.ly/13Ux28e

     

    I also prefer the better colour rendition of IPS panels. OLED delivers juicy oversaturated colours that are en vogue, just like exaggeration is en vogue everywhere. OLED has no subtlety.

     

    Higher pixel count allows for fake zooming, effectively cropping the original image. Inevitably, larger CMOS image sensor, thicker device. Physics can't be tricked - only by bloggers and "analysts", maybe ;)
    14 Mar 2013, 05:06 AM Reply Like
  • Eld
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    they are 5Mp in real, the camera select among the 41Mp
    16 Mar 2013, 01:07 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    No Eld, they are not 5mp in real.
    They are 41mp in real and only the suggested output is 5MP.
    You can select up to 31MP or 38MP, I forget which.

     

    The 5MP is just a "reasonable' default for output.
    17 Mar 2013, 02:59 AM Reply Like
  • Eld
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    @Luke: good info here. Maybe you have a link or something?

     

    So basically, in terms of camera for smartphones, Nokia has probably reached the best performance level, right? Now the trick is to put these 41Mp into a Lumia body

     

    The optimal picture size you can take with current technology is probably between 5-10Mp, so Pureview and so on are probably only incremental innovations.
    17 Mar 2013, 03:16 AM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    See http://bit.ly/Ws0Zt5 for professional description and technical whitepaper.
    17 Mar 2013, 04:31 AM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    Eld,

     

    "Can I take 41 MP photos with Nokia 808 PureView? - Nokia FAQ

     

    No, you can’t. Depending on the selected aspect ratio, the full resolution photos are either 34 or 38 MP.
    The camera has a super-high-resolution sensor, where the active area is 7728 x 5368 pixels, which totals to over 41 MP. Depending on the aspect ratio you choose, it will use 7728 x 4354 pixels for 16:9 photos and videos, or 7152 x 5368 pixels for 4:3 photos and videos." http://bit.ly/Z7ZADF

     

    Here is the Nokia technical whitepaper http://bit.ly/ZKrQmr
    17 Mar 2013, 06:01 PM Reply Like
  • Eld
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    Thanks Luke, good info.
    18 Mar 2013, 12:38 PM Reply Like
  • Gatzzb
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    Very interesting. Any idea who Nokia partners with on the OLED side?
    12 Mar 2013, 12:48 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    My current info: N9, Lumia 800, Lumia 900 have all Super AMOLED displays from Samsung. Lumia 820/822 is OLED display from Samsung. Lumia 920 has IPS LCD display from Samsung. Lumia 620 has TFT LCD display from Samsung. Lumia 520 has IPS LCD display from Samsung. Lumia 720 has IPS LCD display from Samsung.

     

    Wonder which supplier(s) can replace all different displays...
    17 Mar 2013, 08:24 PM Reply Like
  • LonW
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    Intestesting article about display technology. http://cnet.co/XG4lZa
    12 Mar 2013, 01:20 PM Reply Like
  • Hans Thoma
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    It's really kind of pointless to have more than 8 MP unless you are printing poster-size printouts. The camera's lens size and light-capturing ability is much more important. This is why smartphone cameras will always be inferior to a good DSLR or even a Point & Shoot. They just can't capture enough light to provide good detail. Thus the software tries to fix things by forcing surrounding pixels to be similar in color even though it doesn't really know what that color should be.
    12 Mar 2013, 01:26 PM Reply Like
  • css1971
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    Nokia know exactly what they're doing. You may want to read up on PureView technology and why it's a game changer.
    12 Mar 2013, 02:22 PM Reply Like
  • flybywire54
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    Lossless zoom is the main advantage of pureview
    12 Mar 2013, 02:34 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    @Hans,

     

    "New depth, new detail
    The way Nokia PureView Pro zoom works gives you many benefits. But the main one is undoubtedly ‘pixel oversampling’.

     

    Pixel oversampling combines many pixels to create a single (super) pixel. When this happens, you keep virtually all the detail, but filter away visual noise from the image. The speckled, grainy look you tend to get in low-lighting conditions is greatly reduced. And in good light, visual noise is virtually non-existent. Which means the images you can take are more natural and beautiful than ever. They are purer, perhaps a more accurate representation of the original subject than has ever been achieved before.

     

    The level of pixel oversampling is highest when you’re not using the zoom. It gradually decreases until you hit maximum zoom, where there is no oversampling. At this stage, Nokia PureView Pro optics and pixels start behaving in a more conventional way. But because only the centre of the optics are used where there is less diffraction, you get better optical performance — including low distortion, no vignetting, and high levels of resolved detail. And because all of this is taken care of for you, you don’t need to think about it, the system gives you the best balance between zoom and oversampling based on how you frame and compose the scene or subject.
    There are plenty more advantages…" http://bit.ly/ZKrQmr
    12 Mar 2013, 03:13 PM Reply Like
  • Hans Thoma
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    Luke, thanks for the post, but my point was that with a better lens, we wouldn't need these software tricks. More light would be captured, resulting in better low light performance, and so the camera would actually know what color each pixel should be.
    13 Mar 2013, 11:52 AM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    Hans, well 'software tricks' may be a bit harsh. Image processing of this nature is totally valid and I wouldn't position it as a trick. Optimization may be a better term.

     

    Also, there are physical limitations when putting a 'better lens' in a tiny package like a smartphone. You've seen the hematoma on the 808 Pureview? that's to accommodate optics.

     

    Finally, this software combined with the optics adds greatly to the value of the phone.

     

    PS. The OIS (hardware) of the PureView aids in the quality capture of low-light pictures, probably better than any other smartphone and arguably better than many point-and-shoot cameras.
    13 Mar 2013, 01:03 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    Hans Thoma is absolutely right. End of story.
    14 Mar 2013, 05:10 AM Reply Like
  • css1971
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    They can't have an aluminium body and wireless charging. Sorry, not physically possible. It's either not a 920 equivalent or the aluminium body rumour is false. Either way it raises doubts about the source.
    12 Mar 2013, 02:25 PM Reply Like
  • KIA Investment Research
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    PureView imaging technology
    Written by Juha Alakarhu, Damian Dinning, and Eero Salmelin
    on behalf of many dedicated Nokia imaging experts
    http://bit.ly/ZKrQmr
    12 Mar 2013, 03:10 PM Reply Like
  • melli
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    Any info on the processor? Competitors will probably start rolling out phones with processors that are more powerful than that of the 920...
    12 Mar 2013, 03:27 PM Reply Like
  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
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    WP8 is more efficient OS than the competition (Z10 might be on par, do not know for sure), so exact specs are misleading. Secondly, your average consumer could not care less as long as it feels fast.
    12 Mar 2013, 04:06 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    Samsung goes for 8-core and 16-core next year. That will make their devices nice radiators or hand warmers in winter if pocketed :D
    14 Mar 2013, 05:11 AM Reply Like
  • Sal Marvasti
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    IPS on 920 beats the S3 OLED by a mile. It might be due to cost concern. IPS has natural colours OLED has artificial.
    12 Mar 2013, 05:48 PM Reply Like
  • Seppo Sahrakorpi
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    @OldWarrior pinned down the supply issues to display in L920. Perhaps this is the solution.
    12 Mar 2013, 06:53 PM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    Exactly. OLED = juicy, oversaturated. IPS = subtle, natural. Plus: IPS has much better viewing angles, hence graphic design monitors are typically IPS monitors (Eizo, NEC, Quatographic, HP). Can't be beaten just yet.
    14 Mar 2013, 05:14 AM Reply Like
  • Andreas Hopf
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    That would be unfortunate. The Lumia 920's screen is just so very good and natural. If one wants juicy colour dripping party pics, one can always use an app to bump up the contrast, levels and saturation. Too much work for today's youngsters who want everything done for them and, please, yesterday.
    14 Mar 2013, 05:16 AM Reply Like
  • flybywire54
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    Some good news for Nokia in China .

     

    http://bit.ly/112iOht
    17 Mar 2013, 09:28 PM Reply Like
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