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While Steve Jobs has only now resigned as CEO, Joe Wilcox thinks the quality of Apple's (AAPL)...

While Steve Jobs has only now resigned as CEO, Joe Wilcox thinks the quality of Apple's (AAPL) products was already on a decline that began around the time of Jobs' Jan. '09 medical leave, as the simplicity that defined Apple's offerings for much of Jobs' reign gave way to growing complexity in platforms such as iTunes, iOS, and Mac OS X.
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  • Anthony Breen
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    The article should be retitled, "I want pageviews."
    28 Aug 2011, 05:52 PM Reply Like
  • Anthony Breen
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    www.roughlydrafted.com.../
    28 Aug 2011, 05:57 PM Reply Like
  • deercreekvols
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    This guy views iTunes as complex? My middle-school aged son navigates around iTunes with no difficulty.
    If Mr. Wilcox does not care for Apple products, that is his opinion.
    In my opinion, this article/blog should never have made it to SA. There are no facts to support his take on Apple products being on the decline. There are millions of iPad users who seem to disagree.
    Will SA allow the millions of us who like Apple products to take up space with our opinions?
    28 Aug 2011, 07:13 PM Reply Like
  • prasadm
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    He is comparing platform/framework feature sets with usability. Apples to Oranges. Smart.
    28 Aug 2011, 07:29 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    It's just fun to poke at the Apple faithful's nest every now and then. Like wasps, they are.
    28 Aug 2011, 09:05 PM Reply Like
  • Stoploss
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    Leave it to Karma. Mr. Wilcocks will likely be visited by it very soon.
    28 Aug 2011, 08:36 PM Reply Like
  • Wisdom vs. Information
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    adding features as silicon/software improve is evidence of a 'decline'? dumb
    28 Aug 2011, 09:35 PM Reply Like
  • mike8599
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    I don't agree with all Wilcox writes but I have a sense that the Apple "cool" factor may have been due in large part to Jobs, all of which remains to be seen.

     

    The last time Jobs left, Apple lacked inspiration and went down badly. Who will provide that inspiration and drive for the next gen at Apple now ? Who will drive Apple to a "platform" status from gadget status ?
    28 Aug 2011, 09:38 PM Reply Like
  • harperska
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    It is of course pointless to compare the last time Jobs left to this time. Last time, the company was taken over by a fizzy sugar-water salesman who kicked Jobs out because he thought (incorrectly) that he knew better than Jobs how to run the company. This time Jobs left on his own terms, after putting in place a hand-picked executive team who knows exactly why Apple was so successful after Jobs' return, and was actually central in implementing that turn-around.
    29 Aug 2011, 11:33 PM Reply Like
  • mike8599
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    I hope you are right - as I said it "remains to be seen".

     

    That being said of course I have never seen anything done truely inspirational done in a timely manner by a "team".

     

    But I'm open...
    30 Aug 2011, 07:26 PM Reply Like
  • Dialectical Materialist
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    "That being said of course I have never seen anything done truely inspirational done in a timely manner by a "team"."

     

    What about the Apollo missions?

     

    Less "inspiring" but still incredible, how about Fat Man and Little Boy in Los Alamos.

     

    Both are examples of teams of dedicated and hard working smarties on a mission and against a deadline. It can happen.
    30 Aug 2011, 08:00 PM Reply Like
  • mike8599
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    I'll give you the benefit of doubt.... their are always exceptions but as a skeptic I will argue that they are few.

     

    but it could happen - do you think the motivation behind Apple rises to the level of Apollo or WWII ?
    30 Aug 2011, 08:23 PM Reply Like
  • Dialectical Materialist
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    You said "never". I was just trying to come up with some exceptions to what I think is your pretty good rule. I am not saying anything about Apple. If a committee designed an iPad with no strong figurehead to veto and edit, it would come out as a toaster oven that could surf the web. I just hope Jobs is occupying his time by organizing his notebooks and annotating his sketches.
    30 Aug 2011, 10:18 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    Yes, he should organize those.... "Box that plays music." "Box that is like a phone with a screen." "A bigger box that is like a small laptop, that plays music and can also be a phone."
    30 Aug 2011, 10:27 PM Reply Like
  • Dialectical Materialist
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    John, if it were as simple as you're implying, previous tablets would have been commercially viable and no one would have said "Apple can't do a tablet because the market has shown no one wants a tablet."

     

    Your sarcasm is funny, but you could apply to same broad brush analysis to lots of things and you'd be just as far off the mark. Nuclear missile? Big rocket that goes boom. Diamond ring? Rock mounted on a metal circle. Mona Lisa? Painting of woman with slight smile.

     

    Box that plays music? Gilligan had one of those on his island. Was that an iPod? God (or the devil) is, as always, in the details.
    30 Aug 2011, 10:47 PM Reply Like
  • JohnBinTN
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    I was just going for the humor aspect - relax. :)
    30 Aug 2011, 10:54 PM Reply Like
  • Dialectical Materialist
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    Well.... I did admit it was funny :)

     

    Plus, any day I can work Gilligan's Island into a comment is a good day.
    31 Aug 2011, 11:30 AM Reply Like
  • rwkoch
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    iTunes is NOT a platform, it is an application. You really should do your homework before writing an article. iOS and Mac OS are platforms and yes, they are complex, just like any operating system. I have not seen any deterioration of quality, only improvements.
    28 Aug 2011, 09:48 PM Reply Like
  • SA Editor Eric Jhonsa
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    iTunes is both an application, and a platform for selling/distributing third-party media content and apps. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
    28 Aug 2011, 10:01 PM Reply Like
  • retire early
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    ITunes is a terrible application. Terrible. That said, I love my IPhone and OS X.
    28 Aug 2011, 11:14 PM Reply Like
  • KashMoneyKapital
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    ITUNES needs to be rewritten from the ground up with a fresh codebase - its a memory hog and somewhat poky but from an interface perspective i've become accustomed to it and it does set the bar for comparison
    28 Aug 2011, 11:58 PM Reply Like
  • Dialectical Materialist
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    The article reads as a transparent attempt to compile a list of complaints about Apple and couch them in the language of "Too bad Apple will never be the same."
    29 Aug 2011, 03:19 AM Reply Like
  • inthemoney
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    I don't care for iTunes, but the real issue is that since Jobs got sick Apple couldn't come up with any new products, only variations on existing ones. That is not innovation and it is not enough to preserve their market cap 5 years from now.
    29 Aug 2011, 09:31 AM Reply Like
  • Dialectical Materialist
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    It's only been 18 months since the iPad was introduced. The iPad is the only tablet to enjoy commercial success before or since. Give them another year or two before making the claim they can't come up with anything new.
    29 Aug 2011, 11:05 AM Reply Like
  • inthemoney
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    iPad is a jumbo iPod, didn't you notice?
    29 Aug 2011, 12:37 PM Reply Like
  • Dialectical Materialist
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    "iPad is a jumbo iPod, didn't you notice?"

     

    Let's think about that comment for a second. Your argument was that without new products they will not be able to preserve their "market cap" 5 years from now. Since market cap is nothing but a measurement of the stock price and the price is driven by earnings, you are no doubt suggesting that without new products, Apple will not be able to produce the earnings to support a higher stock price.

     

    But you argue that the iPad is just another iPod. Yet the introduction of this "jumbo iPod" will be contributing tens of billions of new earnings dollars. Therefore either the iPad is a new product that was recently introduced which boosts earnings (my argument) or the iPad is an old product (your argument) that nevertheless has boosted earnings. So your claim that they can't boost earnings (support their market cap) without new products would be proved false. There is no interpretation of the facts that supports your claim.
    29 Aug 2011, 01:20 PM Reply Like
  • inthemoney
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    Do you think people who own an iPad are going to by iPods? Most likely they won't. So, when market saturation with iPad happens, which I expect to be in the next 2 years Apple better have a new product ready. If they won't ( and I think they are having trouble coming up with new products) they'll be in trouble.
    But 2 years is a such long time in the market, there will be plenty of opportunities to get out of Apple stock. Just don't go religious on Apple.
    29 Aug 2011, 03:18 PM Reply Like
  • Dialectical Materialist
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    I agree you shouldn't "go religious" and simply stay invested in Apple because it is Apple. But I think iPads have much longer than 2 years. My suspicion is that this is a new and lasting form factor, kind of like a laptop. The era of the tablet is likely to be many years. There will be many new entrants into the market and many new upgrades by Apple and others. Apple's complete dominance of this market will likely decline, but due to the expansion of the size of the market, their sales will likely increase. As the iPad 3 comes out there will not only be new adopters, but original iPad owners who are upgrading, again very much like laptops. Every product cycle will entice new users and also capture some folks who are upgrading from previous models.

     

    Some folks are estimating the tablet market will be 150 million a year by 2015. That means Apple could be selling 60-80 million iPads each year. Like all tech it needs to keep evolving, but there is plenty of room for improvement on the basic form before it becomes a new gadget. Look at the original iPod compared to the iPod touch. Huge steps of refinement until eventually the end product hardly seems like the same thing. I expect iPad 6 or 8 will be very different from what I use. The same way my desktop now is hardly the same machine as the 80286 that I was using in the early 1990's.
    29 Aug 2011, 06:00 PM Reply Like
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