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Tesla Motors (TSLA +3.2%) CEO Elon Musk pushes for support in Texas on a bill which would allow...

Tesla Motors (TSLA +3.2%) CEO Elon Musk pushes for support in Texas on a bill which would allow electric vehicle manufacturers to sell cars directly to consumers. Though the automaker has won a few victories in other states, the battle against Texas auto dealers could be a bit tougher.
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  • bbro
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    What a car that doesn't require oil ???
    10 Apr 2013, 03:30 PM Reply Like
  • mkjayakumar
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    blasphemy isn't it ? How un-American to drive without burning oil, that too in cowboy Texas land ?
    10 Apr 2013, 03:33 PM Reply Like
  • joenjensen
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    That's right, it doesn't need oil, or gas, and the energy it uses to recharge the car battery comes from the sun, and Tesla has Superchargers that recharges your Model S battery and it's free, the energy the supercharger needs to recharge your car comes from the sun, and that's free. Try to find any auto company that can beat that !
    10 Apr 2013, 09:21 PM Reply Like
  • bgold1955
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    Not a shareholder but if he succeeds, maybe I will be.
    10 Apr 2013, 03:34 PM Reply Like
  • Ben Boehme
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    Tesla will succeed just as it has in other states.

     

    Reason - The law describes that car manufacturers cannot sell cars directly to customers because it would be extremely unfair to dealerships who have an invested interest in the brands. However, since Tesla only sells cars themselves and will not allow dealers to sell cars for them it makes Tesla exempt from these laws because no unfair competion would occur. Its brilliant!
    12 Apr 2013, 09:57 AM Reply Like
  • oldpartsnrust
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    Most of the laws forbidding a manufacturer from selling directly to the public were instituted to prevent the manufacturer from hurting the dealership. The modern intent is totally different however. These laws are now being used to hurt the manufacturer because the manufacturer can hurt the established oil infrastructure. So sad.
    10 Apr 2013, 03:41 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    Screw the dealership. I say cut out the middle man. Good job Musk.
    10 Apr 2013, 03:46 PM Reply Like
  • joenjensen
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    It's called progress, and it's not that I'm not sympathetic, but I remember several years ago when educated people were thrown out into the street without their job and laid off, what the establishment told them was to retrain for a new in a job different category, I thought that was heartless, but they said it was progress.
    Tesla and other electric car companies are saving our air by producing a product that is not only better than what we have been buying, but is non-polluting, no tailpipe, and that should make every breathing person happy.
    Every time I get into my car I feel guilty to step on the gas pedal, and I look forward to the day when I can step on that pedal and know that there is no pollution coming out of that vehicle because of what I am doing.
    10 Apr 2013, 09:49 PM Reply Like
  • youngman442002
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    Where do you go when you need a repair or a warranty work....?????..good luck....and you are going to need a lot with these cars....
    10 Apr 2013, 03:53 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    Huh?

     

    The wear and tear parts - brakes, shocks, wheels, etc - are not vehicle specific and should be available at any competent auto shop, the electric parts are far more easily and readily 'repairable' than a gas based vehicle.... no valvetrain you know.... crankshaft.... timing belt....

     

    I wonder what you are talking about, perhaps you could be more specific?
    10 Apr 2013, 04:08 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    I am not a fan of electric cars at all, but it is certainly arguable that they require less maintenance than an ICE powered vehicle. Consider the following examples. The brakes will most likely last forever, since the car recovers braking energy which is normally dissipated by the pads and rotors and wears them down over time. No need for oil changes, coolant flush or some other fluids typically required on a car. Also in my view electric motors are simpler and more reliable than ICE's in just about every way. Obviously the battery is a huge question mark. But Tesla could probably have service centers for replacing those.
    10 Apr 2013, 04:18 PM Reply Like
  • GioTrader13
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    Luck?? LOL you must be a GM car dealer ... these cars have very few moving parts and are easier to own than regular gas cars. Routine software updates handle most issues without interrupting your life, while annual inspections ensure your car’s long-term health. The Model S is also smart: it periodically monitors itself and can alert Tesla, with your permission, to issues so that they can be resolved quickly and easily. Many issues can be resolved remotely, but if your Model S does require in-person attention, you can bring it to a Tesla Service Center or schedule a "Tesla Ranger" visit.
    Imagine that they come to you!
    10 Apr 2013, 04:20 PM Reply Like
  • Masscreation
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    Actually, EVs are known to require less maintenance, due to less moving parts. No transmissions or combustion engines that you have to keep lubed up
    10 Apr 2013, 04:51 PM Reply Like
  • dennisg13
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    What exactly does it mean to not be a fan of electric cars?
    10 Apr 2013, 04:52 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    It means I prefer gasoline or diesel vehicles for a variety of reasons. Any other questions?
    10 Apr 2013, 05:52 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    @kmi, I agree with you on having less mechanical issues. But electrical issues can actually be more of a nightmare sometimes. Maybe my mind just has a harder time grasping it, but I end up having hell with minor electrical problems on my truck when a mechanical repair usually is easier to diagnose and fix.
    10 Apr 2013, 05:56 PM Reply Like
  • kmi
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    I think it's because a lot of us were raised repairing combustion motors.

     

    You learn to troubleshoot pretty efficiently over time. I have a hard time troubleshooting electrical issues too, but I think the one valid problem for electrics is that when they fail they fail, they don't 'wear out' usually.

     

    So you can spin a bearing on a combustion engine and still sorta limp home, but you blow a critical relay and you aren't moving till it's replaced....
    10 Apr 2013, 07:26 PM Reply Like
  • wipster
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    "Tesla Ranger"... I love it! Very appropriate...
    10 Apr 2013, 09:05 PM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    @big, you are absolutely correct. Although the Model S is bigger vehicle just as an example of your point on my 2004 Prius I changed the front brakes at 190K and the rear brakes are still within spec.
    10 Apr 2013, 11:13 PM Reply Like
  • dennisg13
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    Like?
    10 Apr 2013, 11:17 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    I guess it would also depend on how you drive it.
    11 Apr 2013, 12:35 AM Reply Like
  • Ben Boehme
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    @youngman442002 - Check out the Tesla website where it covers all of the details regarding service.

     

    The Tesla Ranger Team will cover 90% of the nation and travel directly to you for those repairs or warranty work. However with EVs being so much more reliable than gasoline engines I would not be concerned abou this. Also, with automatic software updates many of the little things that may come up can be solved without inconviencing the owner in any way.

     

    So I ask, youngman442002 - What are you talking about?
    12 Apr 2013, 10:09 AM Reply Like
  • Ben Boehme
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    @bigbenorr - Tesla has extended its owners an 8 year battery warranty and there are already a few large Tesla service centers nationwide where they can do battery swapouts if needed.

     

    When looking into the cost of a new battery pack in 8 years.. it is important to know that Li-ion batteries will be about 25% cheaper within the next 4 years so it should really be pretty reasonable.
    12 Apr 2013, 10:13 AM Reply Like
  • Ben Boehme
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    @dennisg13 - I think that means you either sell gasoline or gasoline cars.

     

    Or, it could possibly mean that they themselves are a car and are jealous that they are not a Model S.
    12 Apr 2013, 10:16 AM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    I may be naive but what's to stop Tesla from having an Amazon model where they sell on the internet, but clearly warehouse their vehicles in such a way to facilitate efficient distribution of goods sold.

     

    I know this isn't the best for marketing and or test drives but at least there "warehouse" can increase visibility.

     

    Anywho Go Musk! The uptick must mean the market has faith that Texas will get it, eh?!
    10 Apr 2013, 03:54 PM Reply Like
  • Upyourassets
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    Most states require a physical presence and a state dealer's license to sell cars in that state unless it is just a private transaction in which case laws limit the number of cars individuals can sell each year. In Texas the law goes further and disallows a car manufacturer form holding a dealer's license.
    10 Apr 2013, 10:29 PM Reply Like
  • Rostenne
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    Any decent lawyer should be able to create a 99.999% company owner and operated fully compliant franchise.......
    10 Apr 2013, 04:06 PM Reply Like
  • Topcat
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    Well the Republicans preach "free market" and competition, and no government regulation, so this is a "rubber meets the road" issue to see if they really have any principles.
    10 Apr 2013, 04:13 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    The Texas government, for all its big talk (looking at you Rick Perry) has just as much red tape, regulation, taxes and corruption as some of the blue states. Being a native I have grown to hate the state government just as much as federal.
    10 Apr 2013, 04:32 PM Reply Like
  • joenjensen
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    Right Topcat, these guys want smaller Government and the free market until it hurts their pockets, then they try to use the same laws to stop competition and free market ! They are just two faced !
    10 Apr 2013, 09:13 PM Reply Like
  • Upyourassets
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    Gee fellas. I thought I was on SA but I must have moved over to HP where all the nasty political b****ing happens!
    10 Apr 2013, 10:32 PM Reply Like
  • TikiManProd
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    I guess Texas really DOESN'T want out of state business afterall.

     

    Oh well, so much for that multi-million dollar Gov Rick Perry "bring us your business" tour...
    10 Apr 2013, 04:26 PM Reply Like
  • Fab5Freddy
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    Texas Lunkheads, they didn't want illegals either until they couldn't figure out how to harvest their crops.
    10 Apr 2013, 04:51 PM Reply Like
  • eDubNYC
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    Youngman, to answer your question and your comment: as a Model S owner, I can tell you that when you're in need of repair or warranty work, Tesla doesn't hesitate to send people right to to you. I called them one morning because my door handles weren't retracting when I pressed the key fob, and they were about to send someone out when they asked if I possibly hadn't closed the trunk completely. Of course, they were right, as they always are, and once I clicked the trunk closed, everything was perfect. As far as your comment that "you are going to need a lot [of repairs] with these cars," you're dead wrong for one simple reason -- the car has virtually no moving parts. It's a computer on wheels (and an amazing car, for what it's worth), and where you have an engine compartment packed with belts and pumps and cables and pistons, I have a 2nd trunk. It's the ignorance and stubbornness of people like you that, more than any technological factors, stands in the way of progress.
    10 Apr 2013, 04:52 PM Reply Like
  • joenjensen
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    Good for you, tell like it is. These people don't want progress, they are satisfied the way things are, and would be proven wrong if they admitted that this automobile company is the answer, so I am glad to read about someone who owns a non polluting and very efficient Tesla.
    10 Apr 2013, 09:05 PM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    @eDubNYC, thanks for the real world experience, sweet! Keep on telling the truth! Some naysayers seem to repeat the same endless dribble without a clue.
    10 Apr 2013, 11:19 PM Reply Like
  • youngman442002
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    motor brushes comes to mind right off the bat....and yes these cars have u joints and A/C I assume....things that need work now and then....the batteries will be a nightmare I think...very costly to replace....can´t repair....
    10 Apr 2013, 04:54 PM Reply Like
  • Randy Carlson
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    Sorry, but "motor brushes" are so, last century...
    10 Apr 2013, 05:05 PM Reply Like
  • Tom McClennan
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    Brushes ??? what 'brushes' ?! There aren't any, its an induction motor that is permanently wired and uses AC magnetic fields to induce opposing fields to cause rotation … No UJ's either, and the AC can be repaired by any normal AC tech. The "battery" is probably the most advanced computer controlled and monitored in the world, and full of proven failsafe measures, and besides its warranted for 8 yrs (extendable) and covers the mythical 'bricking' because it cant be "bricked". I think you need to open up your mind and step into the 21st century … !!

     

    Disclosure:- I've been driving a Tesla for 2 yrs, has been 100% faultless despite abuse of its addictive acceleration, and its never missed an impulse throughout.
    10 Apr 2013, 09:03 PM Reply Like
  • wipster
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    And ICE cars don't have these parts? Open your eyes Young Man, Tesla (or something like it) is the way of the future. As much as they try, I don't think the Petroleum conglomerates are going to be able to stop them this time. Musk has done his homework and designed and produced a truly superior product and network to support it. I for one welcome it and can't wait for the Model X and the Gen III's.

     

    Definitely Long Tesla!
    10 Apr 2013, 09:14 PM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    Wow! @youngman, you'd think for someone with 4880 comments you'd be used to doing some research before making a comment! Jeezus!
    10 Apr 2013, 11:21 PM Reply Like
  • Cassina Tarsia
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    When will this part of the Country wake up?!!! These people say that they want "free enterprise", but when they have it right in front of their eyes with a successful American business, then they try to block it with laws that prevent it - or try to prevent it - from operating in their State ... how outrageous! Wake up Texas ... a new way of operating business is here with the Model S and you need to get on board so that everyone can enjoy this fabulous car.
    10 Apr 2013, 05:49 PM Reply Like
  • bigbenorr
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    Ahem....that is everyone with $100k lying around. Also, you do understand that the law applies to all vehicles right? Still stupid but its not targeted at Tesla.
    10 Apr 2013, 06:53 PM Reply Like
  • GioTrader13
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    Bigbenorr this is not a car for the masses, but if you are in the market for a luxury car and you have $70 to $100K to spend than the Tesla S should be considered for all the upsides it offers. I feel that the lessons learned with these high end vehicles and continuous advancements in battery technology will in the near future translate into a cheaper EV that you and I can afford. I understand this may put you personally out of work but big oil days are numbered my friend.
    P.S.
    Some laws are just too silly and outdated and need to be reviewed.
    11 Apr 2013, 10:28 AM Reply Like
  • patb2324
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    The dealership dosen't need to be there as such. The maintanence is probably a lot less and can be franchised out much like the airlines do to foreign entities to do their maintenance. No dealership should lead to lower pricing. This will be another step in the right direction for Teslas chances.
    10 Apr 2013, 06:01 PM Reply Like
  • winston123
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    hey guys and ladies,

     

    I'm just enjoying the discussion about a life changing direction that Elon Musk is undertaking.
    Look at where SpaceX is taking this country.!
    Don't own a Tesla but enjoy the comments.
    Musk is another Jobs and Edison ,,,,
    11 Apr 2013, 06:58 AM Reply Like
  • youngman442002
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    I have done my research ..I used to be invested in electric motors for over 18 years...since the first GM electric car..so far these are just toys..new toys..in time they will be proven good or not....I think the batteries are not up to the challenge yet...they will not replace my ICE yet...I think hybrids are the way to go.....its seems the best option for a family car..these are not the sole car in the household....short hop cars ..sure....a political statement..absolutly..... luck...I hope your money will be well spent...time will tell...we will know in 3-5 years if they did build a great car...
    11 Apr 2013, 10:13 AM Reply Like
  • weekendmoe
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    You got on board too early :)

     

    I agree though that for lots of people BEVs aren`t quite there yet as the price is a bit high. No problem for Tesla though as they`re manufacturing a luxury car.

     

    But the prices are sinking every year, so more and more people can afford EVs. And most people will convert to BEVs eventually, because they are simply wastly superior to the gasoline cars on about every area but range and time to refill.
    11 Apr 2013, 10:53 AM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    Short hop? Nooo ... Tesla model S has a top range of 280 miles on a single charge!!!
    13 Apr 2013, 10:58 AM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    BEV? I don't think we use that do we?
    ICE, EV, PHEV, HEV, PZEV, ... now BEV too?
    11 Apr 2013, 12:48 PM Reply Like
  • weekendmoe
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    Hmmmm, maybe it`s a norwegian expression? Battery Electric Vehicle? What`s the term you use for pure battery EVs? Simply EV?
    12 Apr 2013, 01:20 AM Reply Like
  • berylrb
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    Yes, we seem to use only EV, I figured the "B" stood for battery!
    12 Apr 2013, 02:14 AM Reply Like
  • patb2324
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    The beat goes on folks. So far Elon Musk is proving to be a pretty good broken field runner. He obviously hasn't hit a wall yet and he's gaining traction as he goes. People are focusing on both the car and him so it's evenly balanced and the technology is moving forward. He's got a plan and a product and is piquing the fascination of a large group of consumers that are fascinated with the combo "Henry Ford-ish" "Bill Gates-ish" mystique. I think it's great and wish him success. I don't think the technology is by any means at its max potential so I think it'll get a lot better. The list of cheerleaders is growing. His sense of timing is great like a good comedian's. He's really good at saying "watch me" and wait for my upcoming statements while the car percolates on. I like this guy.
    12 Apr 2013, 10:36 AM Reply Like
  • 123man
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    youngman - the EV you referred to was actually the EV-1 - and "we" gave Chevy one billion dollars to develope it - many of those who drove the EV-1 loved the car and wanted to keep it, but for some "unknown" reason Chevy had other plans, so they recalled all the EV-1 ones and destroyed them, crushed them - I believe only one exists in a museum without running gear (didn't want that useless technology to get) - or perhaps they needed MORE scrap junk metal - at the same time a "big" oil company bought into the battery manufacturer under the guise of helping and promptly shut the company down - Tesla doesn't need help from either the car dealers association nor the oil companies - it is sad, but it is the truth - go Elon!
    13 Apr 2013, 10:29 AM Reply Like
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