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    Does no one watch CNBC? Capitalism is not bankrupt. It is simply perceived to be bankrupt, much like the banks' legacy loans are perceived to be worth less than par.

    The solution is to correct the public's misunderstanding, much like the solution to the perceived banking problem is to correct investors' faulty valuation of legacy assets by facilitating market price discovery.

    It's all explained very thoughtfully on the Kudlow Report, weekdays at 7pm on CNBC.
    Apr 10 12:08 PM | Link | Reply
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    Er, sorry, that's still called socialism even if you want to bury that fact and call it "public action."
    Apr 10 12:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    "Socialism" and "capitalism" are both non-cognitive terms. They have no real meaning. If you ask 100 people what "socialism" is, you'll get radically different answers. Same thing with "capitalism."

    The transformation of "capitalism" (a label used to describe the economic systems that began to take form in much of the Western world between the 12th and 16th Centuries) into an ideological term is a disturbing development in my view. 12th Century Venetian capitalism has little in common with 16th Century English capitalism which has little in common with 19th Century German capitalism which has little in common with 21st Century American captalism.

    Capitalism shouldn't be an ideology. It's a reality. It's a label we give to the economic system that has evolved over the past severeal centuries due to the major trends taking place in the world.

    People should focus on making the system (1) more meritocratic, (2) with more equal opportunities, (3) while promoting greater efficiency, and (4) innovation. In essence, the goal is to increase the standard of living for the greatest number of people. Who cares what you call it. I think 98% of the people in the world basically desire the same things if they'd stop mindlessly bickering over labels. The discussion should be over how "X policy action" promotes "X goal" rather than how "X policy action" is truly the "most capitalist" or "most conservative" or "most liberal" or most [insert any other mindless label]" proposal.
    Apr 10 12:15 PM | Link | Reply
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    Capitalism works great....for the rich.
    Apr 10 12:32 PM | Link | Reply
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    I agree Huneycutt,

    Most of the problems we face today are how to manage tragedy-of-the-commons or bystander effects that result from capitalistic actions.

    Examples: If the banks all failed, experience shows that a depression would ensue, harming everyone. If a firm creates pollution, it is usually the people who didn't profit from the firm who suffer (e.g. birth defects at Love Canal). Et cetera.

    Yet, this is hardly bankruptcy. These same problems still remain in alternative systems such as communism, the Chinese model, and anarcy situations like Somalia. The difference is, there is no system to allow complaints or to remedy the situation when one person's profitable activity causes unfair losses for another. We're lucky to be in a position to worry about such things.

    Public policy in developed nations rambles between strict control over business and a hands-off approach. There is a sweet spot between these extremes that maximizes growth while minimizing catastrophic risk. It is nonsense to suggest that these pendulum swings indicate bankruptcy (and how can an economic system or an economy itself be "bankrupt" anyway?).
    Apr 10 12:37 PM | Link | Reply
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    As Vitaly Katsenelson said, "Communism failed for a reason: Government is a horrible capital allocator." When politicians make decisions on capital allocation, they will do so based on political reasons, not economic ones. This guarantees that capital will be allocated inefficiently. The more the political system is involved in the economy, the more inefficient it becomes. Whatever system Hobsbawm thinks will come next, you can pretty much predict how well it will work using this simple rule.
    Apr 10 12:40 PM | Link | Reply
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    The only solution is a period depression-ism. Canned food and water people.
    Apr 10 12:41 PM | Link | Reply
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    This column is simply indicative of panic--and perhaps the current state of the newspaper industry. Capitalism is not bankrupt. Globalization is not ending. There will be some tinkering with the financial regulatory system to avoid future problems of this nature, and then we will move forward. There is no "grand breaking with the assumptions of the last 30 years." Outside of pundit-talk on TV, policy in this age doesn't work like that.

    Such a view doesn't sell papers, of course.

    Apr 10 12:44 PM | Link | Reply
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    Larry? Is that you?

    On Apr 10 12:08 PM Smegma wrote:

    > Does no one watch CNBC? Capitalism is not bankrupt. It is simply
    > perceived to be bankrupt, much like the banks' legacy loans are perceived
    > to be worth less than par.
    >
    > The solution is to correct the public's misunderstanding, much like
    > the solution to the perceived banking problem is to correct investors'
    > faulty valuation of legacy assets by facilitating market price discovery.
    >
    >
    > It's all explained very thoughtfully on the Kudlow Report, weekdays
    > at 7pm on CNBC.
    Apr 10 12:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    The ordinary person ,anywhere in the world, understands the difference between private enterprise and public control; between coercion and liberty; between contracts and entitlements; between merit and patronage; between soverignity and servitude; between entrepreneurship and bureaucracy; between keeping the fruits of one's labor by legal right and having them confiscated based on privileged caprice.
    Given these differences, what would the common person freely choose? A way of organizing an economy and society based on the first set of attributes we loosely label Capitalism or the way based on the second set of attributes we label Socialism?
    It seems to me that the common person, whether in America or China or India or Germany or Brazil or Nigeria , when given a free and fair choice, opts for the first set of attributes, without having the vaguest idea ( or caring)that fancy folk call it Capitalism.
    When China started to organize around the first set of attributes it began to grow rapidly, while still calling itself communist. When India, later and more slowly, followed suit it too began to improve the lot of its people , all the while denying it was a capitalist society.
    Can we, as an excercise, name a single nation that consistently and tangibly improved the lot of its citizens while decisively rejecting the first set of attributes as the basis of economic/social organization? can we name a single industry that emerged, grew rapidly, attained great size(creating many jobs, much income and vast wealth) that was not organized on the first set of attributes?
    In contrast, we have the examples of pure socialism in North Korea and Cuba, which we can compare with the success of South Korea and Florida or Mexico versus Texas.
    The reality is that for the common person anywhere and everywhere in the world: freedom, choice, sanctity of contracts , inalieanable property rights, ownership of productive assets and toiling for themselves are a desirable and highly practical way to provide for themselves, their families and their communities.
    Fancy folks with money , power , comfort and security are fond of debating "isms". Ordinary people know what works.


    Apr 10 01:05 PM | Link | Reply
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    The focus on the efficiency of different allocators of capital is important, but the idea that govt. is always worse than the private sector is wrongheaded. The current credit crisis and stock market decimation is due to the fact that people thought the financial sector in the U.S. was allocating captial efficiently when it was actually destroying unimaginably large sums of capital by making bad loans, trusting bad financial models, writing bad derivative contracts, and mis-compensating employees. On the other hand, very few right wing conservatives want to defend their country with privately contracted militias or build only toll roads, etc.

    Most sensible people should understand that economic systems need to find a balance between fairness and efficiency, that govt. spending should try to be restricted to the areas where the govt. will be more efficient than the private sector, and to restrict government regulation to areas that are either too dangerous to leave unregulated or where communities of self-interested actors are likely to damage the systemic good with their selfish actions - e.g. "Tragedy of the commons" applies to lots of things ranging from environmental pollution to financial fraud. Vigorous public debate should focus on delineating the boundaries of where govt. is needed, while avoiding semi-religious positions like "all socialism is bad" and "govt. spending is always less efficient".






    On Apr 10 12:40 PM Fueled By Randomness wrote:

    > As Vitaly Katsenelson said, "Communism failed for a reason: Government
    > is a horrible capital allocator." When politicians make decisions
    > on capital allocation, they will do so based on political reasons,
    > not economic ones. This guarantees that capital will be allocated
    > inefficiently. The more the political system is involved in the
    > economy, the more inefficient it becomes. Whatever system Hobsbawm
    > thinks will come next, you can pretty much predict how well it will
    > work using this simple rule.
    Apr 10 01:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    Shariah Law?

    Or maybe we could try to copy the Saudi fiefdom?

    Congo-style jungle law?

    I'm gonna stick with a regulated democratic capitalism for the time being, thanks.
    Apr 10 01:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    Just because you don't get an consistent answer by asking the man on the street doesn't mean there isn't an simple and accurate answer. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production, socialism is the public or state ownership of the same. So for example when the US bailed out AIG and took an ownership stake in the company they have socialized AIG. It is that simple.

    Socialism is a clear failure. Governments are just too damn inefficient at capital allocation. Has there ever been a state owned company that hasn't been a loser?

    Capitalism on the other hand has been a lot better at growing economies. Yes it is a system with flaws. It is the worst system ever to have come into being, except for all the others.

    The tricky part in all this is figuring out how to regulate - what compromises need to be made. Unfettered a company will act purely in its own self interest neglecting any external effects. Call it the tragedy of the commons, or external diseconomies, or whatever you want but there must be some constraints - simple zoning rules, chemical waste disposal requirements, financial disclosure and audit requirements are well known requirements.

    There is no easy answer to this question. How much do you need to achieve public safety, and the financial transparency that are needed. It is really the failure here that has led to the current troubles. What we all too often find are too many regulations in the wrong places and not the right ones where they are actually needed.

    Ultimately it is not capitalism that has failed us, but the government that has failed to keep it's eye on the ball and effectively implement the needed structures.

    On Apr 10 12:15 PM H.J. Huneycutt wrote:

    > "Socialism" and "capitalism" are both non-cognitive terms. They
    > have no real meaning. If you ask 100 people what "socialism" is,
    > you'll get radically different answers. Same thing with "capitalism."
    Apr 10 01:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    The correct term for our system is Fascism. Private ownership, and government control of such. Capitalism can exist within Fascism until the government needs to control it, like now. Democracy can exist within Fascism until the government needs to control or alter it. There are numerous examples of government control of private ownership and of "democracy." We are afraid of the term, as we should be, for the system is a sham, but we have it and we need to recognize that we do.
    Apr 10 02:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    Is it time to redefine the terms we carelessly throw around on a daily basis now?

    Socialism and Capitalism are now like warring factions - and yet the general public (and even some of the "experts") cannot define what these actually mean. Just like "classical liberalism" defines a set of beliefs that would not fall under the modern definition of liberalism, so does "capitalism" no longer hold much weight in its current state as it hasn't been redefined.

    Until we realize this, we'd be wise not to throw these terms around so flippantly.
    Apr 10 02:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    The problem at the beginning is not about the correct name of the system but who is in charge of it...
    Apr 10 03:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think that "old boat guy" in his comment above sees the situation pretty much on target. Capitalism as we use the word implies an opportunity for all to share the wealth through ingenuity and hard work, Socialism promised benefits and prosperity for all monitored and controlled by the State. What has happened in the U.S. is a Corporate takeover of the State and thus the economy. They screwed up but guess who has to pay? The Corporate controlled State has mandated that the taxpayer (State) will pay the bill and when and if there is a profit the Corporation will be the beneficiary. The Corporate controlled media tells us what "reality" is, banks are insolvent today, banks are making huge profits literally the next. We are not in a war between Socialism and Capitalism, as old boat guy wrote: "Capitalism can exist within Fascism until the government needs to control it, like now. Democracy can exist within Fascism until the government needs to control or alter it."
    and the same can be said for reality.
    Apr 10 03:36 PM | Link | Reply
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    Apart from a slave drivers leather whip ( I doubt a gun to my head would work) why would I leave home (underneath a bridge) to work for something that I cannot own or enjoy on my own terms in my own way? Capitalism is the ONLY just economic system. Anything other than capitalism is Slavery.
    Apr 10 04:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    Isms aren't the problem. Human nature is. Did you know that unless reulated an electric motor will continue to accelerate until it tears itself to pieces. Greenspan said (more or less) I thought the financial system would regulate itself. George W was of the same opinion. How many times did he say we don't need "big Government". Without regulation or the enforcement of regulations, human nature (greed) and the finanial system continued to accelerate until the forces became so great the system began to disentergrate.

    It doesn't matter which ism it was. The system was unregulated and spun out of control until it collapsed on itself.
    Apr 10 07:11 PM | Link | Reply
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    Capitalism is fine. It's the fractional-reserve, central-bank, fiat-money system that's bankrupt. Get rid of that and you'll never have systemic problems like this again, no matter how much emphasis is placed on the free market or how well the government gets out of the way.

    Face facts: the fractional-reservists were given the right to counterfeit money in exchange for greater regulation by the government. The government failed to regulate them properly, and then compounded the error by keeping them in business at public expense. Both of those failures are government failures. The greedy bastards were just doing whatever they could get away with. If you really want to make sure they don't steal like this again, take away their fractional reserve. And in the meantime get the government out of the business of walking tightropes.
    Apr 10 08:24 PM | Link | Reply
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    The comment for response was Capitalism/Socialism. What now.
    I responded to this. Capitalism (and implicit "free enterprise") has inherent tenents: eg fiat money, central-bank, etc, etc. Either accept it with its warts and shut up, or understand it as it really is and attempt to deal with it--reinforce what is liked or changed what is not liked within the framework--which is Fascism.
    Apr 10 09:34 PM | Link | Reply
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