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Monday, November 9, 2009
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  • It's not a good sign when the money banks spend on government debt matches the amount they're loaning to businesses (chart).

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    Banks Choosing Treasury Bonds Over Loans bit.ly/1ZeiHz : ETFDesk users see this as a potential opportunity to: sell $KRE
    Nov 09 06:20 PM | Link | Reply
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    Let's see if I have this straight. The Fed and the Treasury give the Wall Street oligarchs TRILLIONS in "free money" (0% interest loans, and absolute hand-outs).

    The oligarchs take those trillions, use some of that money to prop-up their own underwater assets through bidding-up markets, and use the REST to buy U.S. Treasuries and GSE bonds (presumably comprising most of what they have sitting in their $1+ trillion "savings account" with the Fed) - using the money for everything EXCEPT lending to U.S. businesses and the American people.

    Then Geithner and Bernanke turn around and BRAG about how they don't have to (directly) buy EVEN MORE of their own bonds - because of "strong demand".

    And THESE are the type of "talented" people which the Wall Street fraud-factories claimed were so "valuable" that they needed to pay "retention bonuses" to keep them - or they would run off and get a job with...perhaps the nearest Wal-Mart or McDonald's?
    Nov 09 06:41 PM | Link | Reply
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    Well that explains the 3.30 bid-to-cover ratio today... *sigh*
    Nov 09 06:59 PM | Link | Reply
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    According to the chart, during the two previous significant recessions, downturns in lending activity lasted roughly three years before rebounding.

    So far, we are only a little over a year into this downturn in lending activity. The $64k question is whether the severity of this credit contraction will hasten its end or whether we are in for a long, ugly contraction. (I am leaning toward the long, ugly version.)
    Nov 09 07:00 PM | Link | Reply
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    this is not something new, it has been going on for 2-3 quarters in earnest

    So your #1 buyer of treasuries is the Fed, and your #2 buyer of treasuries is the Fed... using the banks as the holding tank.

    Then clap your hands and speak about how all the world wants US treasuries.

    Ponzi baby, ponzi.
    Nov 09 07:02 PM | Link | Reply
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    I wonder how that chart looks when you add in consumer loans, in particular credit card lines and HELoC's
    Nov 09 07:16 PM | Link | Reply
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    “Bank failures are caused by depositors who don't deposit enough money to cover losses due to mismanagement”
    - Dan Quayle
    Nov 09 08:07 PM | Link | Reply
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    Whats the end game here? And is this inflation & printed money going to make it into earnings at the pace this market suggests?


    On Nov 09 06:41 PM Jeff Nielson wrote:

    > Let's see if I have this straight. The Fed and the Treasury give
    > the Wall Street oligarchs TRILLIONS in "free money" (0% interest
    > loans, and absolute hand-outs).
    >
    > The oligarchs take those trillions, use some of that money to prop-up
    > their own underwater assets through bidding-up markets, and use the
    > REST to buy U.S. Treasuries and GSE bonds (presumably comprising
    > most of what they have sitting in their $1+ trillion "savings account"
    > with the Fed) - using the money for everything EXCEPT lending to
    > U.S. businesses and the American people.
    >
    > Then Geithner and Bernanke turn around and BRAG about how they don't
    > have to (directly) buy EVEN MORE of their own bonds - because of
    > "strong demand".
    >
    > And THESE are the type of "talented" people which the Wall Street
    > fraud-factories claimed were so "valuable" that they needed to pay
    > "retention bonuses" to keep them - or they would run off and get
    > a job with...perhaps the nearest Wal-Mart or McDonald's?
    Nov 09 08:13 PM | Link | Reply
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    I think that pretty much sums it up, with the possible exception of a small (?) portion of the profits being spun off into various campaign contributions, no doubt under the "office expenses" category. Essentially they can use trillions in free government money to buy other government money that pays interest. Makes sense to me, unless of course you are one of those unlucky (as in 99%) of the small businesses that cannot get a loan.


    On Nov 09 06:41 PM Jeff Nielson wrote:

    > Let's see if I have this straight. The Fed and the Treasury give
    > the Wall Street oligarchs TRILLIONS in "free money" (0% interest
    > loans, and absolute hand-outs).
    >
    > The oligarchs take those trillions, use some of that money to prop-up
    > their own underwater assets through bidding-up markets, and use the
    > REST to buy U.S. Treasuries and GSE bonds (presumably comprising
    > most of what they have sitting in their $1+ trillion "savings account"
    > with the Fed) - using the money for everything EXCEPT lending to
    > U.S. businesses and the American people.
    >
    > Then Geithner and Bernanke turn around and BRAG about how they don't
    > have to (directly) buy EVEN MORE of their own bonds - because of
    > "strong demand".
    Nov 09 08:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    Excellent sentiment, sir! An oldy but a goody.


    On Nov 09 08:07 PM The Geoffster wrote:

    > “Bank failures are caused by depositors who don't deposit enough
    > money to cover losses due to mismanagement”
    > - Dan Quayle
    Nov 09 09:33 PM | Link | Reply
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    lol...I was talking to the bank manager of a former WaMu the other day.

    She said what killed them was that they had offered 5% on C.D.'s some months before the collapse. I remember seeing the signs in front of the branch...HANDMADE signs saying "5% C.D.'s!!!".

    I smelled trouble when I saw that; to me it meant they needed cash and needed it bad, bad enough to promise almost 2% above other bank rates.

    Sure enough, she said, the FDIC took them over when everyone who had put in wads of cash for the good C.D. rate came to get it back - even with the penalty - a classic run on the bank.

    But...the cash was gone into the hole of the housing and CDS debacles...so...run on the bank. WaMu gave them the paper currency, but it wasn't really there, thus the FDIC takeover.

    I wonder what a run on the government bank looks like?


    On Nov 09 08:07 PM The Geoffster wrote:

    > “Bank failures are caused by depositors who don't deposit enough
    > money to cover losses due to mismanagement”
    > - Dan Quayle
    Nov 09 10:01 PM | Link | Reply
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    On Nov 09 10:01 PM ebworthen wrote:
    > I wonder what a run on the government bank looks like?

    I fear we are going to find out.
    Nov 09 10:14 PM | Link | Reply
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