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- Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
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Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Objectivity:I have answered your question numerous times already, but please... go ahead and ask it again (I'm fairly stupid, remember?). But DO NOT ask me to comment on the validity of the dated study at my web site, as I have stated repeatedly that those numbers are somewhat old and are to be used as a starting point only. I have to assume you are asking a different question, so please restate it. Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Fireball...Let me tell you a bit about where I'm coming from in telling you about my choice of Gazprom as a lifeboat for my children...
Since I was a boy (over 40 years ago) I was extremely concerned about energy issues, and it has guided my life all these years... school, work, lifestyle...
My concern for mankind's future was multiplied 100 fold with the birth of my first child... it has increased continually since...
If I could just wave a magic wand and make it all go away (our problems) believe me, I'd wave a telephone pole.
About 20 years ago, I had to turn down a chance to work on the Tokamak program at Princeton... I took a different job at the time to better help some friends of mine in Detroit who needed the work I could manage instead... I helped some friends and their families, but I've regretted every second not taking the other path...
Even when oil was cheap (foolishly priced) I lived as though it was dear... a gift from God (like a bank account buried) that would make possible billions of souls... waste was a real sin in my mind.
I worked in Russia, Germany, Poland, Italy, other eastern Europe and CIS countries... and learned first hand what physical poverty coupled with mental and spiritual richness looked like, first hand.
If you have kids, they will be among a generation that curses their forebears for the mess we hand them... all you can do is inflate a lifeboat for them... and get them tough enough mentally to deal with what is coming, without them losing their blessed souls in the process.
If people in this country had faced the unpleasant facts 30+ years ago, we would not be in this mess. Unfortunately, as you can see here at S-A, too many charlatans pretend THEY have the answers, even when they do not even know the basics of God's laws, or worse, they know them, but deceive in presenting "facts" that are not, for some personal gain. Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
OBJECTIVITY thank you. gz is something i have considered a few times. guess it is time to start on it. the rest of your answer is wise indeed. i guess there is something about me that dogs bums and little children pick up on. several years back on a mediteranian cruise with my old dad and young nephews much to every tourists amusement every time we got off the boat i would get swarmed by children in need. i know it was not enough but i always tried to make sure i had $40 in ones to pass out. in a way i felt better but i knew it was really a bandaid on a compound fracture. bums usually hit me up first. i think an angel must whisper about when to be generous and when to be cold when dealing with adults. my brothers and i have talked about how to be effective in such a time to be able to relieve some people where and when we can ,oh and my best friend who is like a brother. you may want to look at silex.com if you are interested in nuclear. a few bad market days can easily drop it down to $4 or $5 per share. it is extremely volatile but may be worth a look. ReplyIs the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Objectivity:I have clearly responded to your query earlier on by stating that the production numbers at my site are from a dated study done by a major university in Oregon several years ago. What don't you understand about that?
Your obnoxious responses do nothing to bolster your credibility. We're all waiting for something more from you.
I have stated that vastly improved processes are now in place to produce cellulosic ethanol, but that the breakdown of those production figures are confidential to the companies that own them.
I have given you numerous current links documenting EROEI for cellulosic ethanol, but you refuse to discuss those. Why not? Obviously, you just don't like the results of those studies. They don't fit your opinions.
I can give you numerous links to statements from current CE companies where they state they can produce CE for $1 per gallon. But you don't like this either.
We're all waiting for something more from you.
As far as my history is concerned, my bio is at my web site. I'll put it up against yours anytime. Please... point us to your bio. Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Objectivity:Now I'm a liar and a weasel. Do you have any more intelligent words to add here? Please... start throwing out a few four letter comments, why don't you. That would seem to be the next logical step. Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Fireball... do your own DD but here is my plan... for my children's sake...Buy Gazprom ADR's...
Buy it when it's valued cheaply (every price it's ever sold at)...
Buy it when it's expensive (never has been yet)...
Buy it when they bash it in the West (it's a ploy)...
Buy it when Gazprom announces bad news (rare, but it happens)...
Hold it until the world realizes that N-G and Nuclear and Conservation and Wind is the best bridge we have until the fusion-tokamak boys actually achieve a workable reactor. Maybe 100 years from now... and pray they succeed...
Of course, the coming resource wars will probably wipe out 6 billion + before the tokamak boys succeed... so say your prayers and ask Christ to be merciful on you and your family, and be merciful to the doomed who will be starving while you wait for the end... Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Objectivity,By the way, I've reported your usage of terms like "bozo" and "stupid" to the folks at this site. You're treading on dangerous ground.
Richard Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Objectivity:This is my first day at this site. Just curious what's going on here.
I see by your numerous comments on other topics that you have a rather loud and obnoxious voice. I've bumped into your type before. Normally, I'd expect a site like this to chase folks like you away. That might happen yet.
In any event, you've been challenged numerous times now to document anything you have said in your discussions with me by independent research. So far, I've seen none of that from you.
Your credibility is in serious question. All eyes are on you to see if you can document ANYTHING you say, or if you prefer to simply continue being loud and obnoxious. Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
OBJECTIVITY while gov. is flopping around in the usual inneffective manner and mr. pickens is working his plan and i guess fertilizer production in some aspects are demanding ng, got any guesses as to how long we have to strengthen our ng positions? any suggestions? i like ngs and epd but would love to look at any suggestions. go right ahead and use your personal data. the only ethanol production that interests me is dar,gu, and pbr. ReplyIs the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Objectivity:There's no need to say anything more to you about this matter. I've asked you numerous times to provide independent studies documenting your positions, but you cannot do that. Obviously, you are making your position up as you please.
Again, if you want to have any credibility here, please go ahead and refute the links I have provided by showing studies to the contrary.
The figures quoted on my web site under the "CE Cost Analysis" area represent the only documented breakdown I can find as to CE production costs because all the cellulosic ethanol companies are keeping their numbers private. The numbers I provide were done by a university in Oregon several years back (as it says on that page). This means some of the figures are dated. Yes, natural gas has gone up in price, but the techniques used to produce CE have vastly improved since then. Again, all you need to do is provide counter evidence through other studies... not your own stories (which no one buys). I've provided numerous links documenting my statements.
As far as my own work is concerned, I am in the forest products sector in northern Vermont (as my bio shows) and have worked for 30 years on sustainable forestry issues. Lavish lifestyle?... you just love to make up stories to support your own personal opinions. Reply
gordon
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
distillation energy (steam) can be provided from coal-fired boilers, you don't have to use NG. using back-pressure turbines (cogeneration), you can produce electric power too & use the same steam twice,ADM co-fires coal & chopped-up scrap rubber tires in circulating fluidized-bed boilers using limestone sorbent to capture sulfur emissions.
> jack Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Oh, by the way... burning that therm of nat-gas as CNG (used in Mr. Miller's site to make a gallon of cellulosic ethanol) in a Honda civic CNG around town gets you about 15 miles driven, over 20 on the highway... bet you can't do much better on pure ethanol in avehicle with the same weight and power.Oh yeah, then you also don't need Angels to provide the other 80% of the work needed to make that fantasy happen. Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Objectivity:A few more links for you showing the net energy balance of cellulosic ethanol to be well over 5:1.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
www.pnas.org/content/1...
gas2.org/2008/03/14/sw.../ Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Objectivity:Do you think anyone can take your story of the "energy out to energy in" balance as being more scientifically valid than one done by Argonne National Labs and other scientific research facilities? I asked you not to simply create some personal opinion about this matter but to DOCUMENT with a scientific study by a reputable body. Since you didn't do that, it's becoming obvious you have a personal opinion about the energy balance, but nothing hard to support it. As such, your statements can't be taken seriously.
You can start by going here to learn more about the facts behind cellulosic ethanol:
www.coskata.com/AboutF... Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Mr. Miller, you are unfortunately quite wrong about my desires, and my objective view of the world we live in.First of all, I am quite certain that our current low nat-gas prices are to rise substantially, and so will the cost of using nat-gas as a "input" to creating some other "fuel", which is what I was referring to. Using a prime fuel like nat-gas to distill ethanol is foolhardy in the extreme... but with current tax-credits and absurd accounting, this is exactly what happens.
It takes over 8 cubic feet of nat-gas to evaporate 1 gallon of water in an IDEAL system, unfortunately, if you understand Newton, you will realize that no such system would ever exist... the entire system, even if somehow placed in a vacuum (doing away with conductive losses) would still lose energy via infrared heat loss ... the most likely input of nat-gas in the current distillation of ethanol is estimated at 30 cubic feet nat-gas per gallon ethanol, the gas being valued calorically at over 30,000 btu. Unfortunately, ethanol contains less than 80,000 btu per gallon, so even if ALL OTHER INPUTS were provided by Angels with no human or resource inputs to consider, an EROEI of greater than 2.7 is IMPOSSIBLE if distillation techniques are anything "worldly".
I'll dose out some more after you chew on that one for awhile.
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