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    Kevin Says
    Sep 15 01:02 AM
    Boeing Strike Seems More Like Corporate Terrorism [view article]
    You're ignorant and doesn't have a single clue on what you're talking about. Look at all these people at least they have experience to know what's right from wrong. :]
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    OnStrike
    Sep 15 12:01 AM
    The Test of Wills at Boeing [view article]
    To Gettinghosed:
    Please go to boeing.com\careers Be prepared to work 19 days on and 2 off for the rest of your boeing career. You will only have to work 8 hour shifts on Saturday and Sunday, all other days may require 10+ hours. You will be required to document and fix all vendor supplied non compliant parts. You will do this on overtime. You will be required to work with chemicals known by the state of California to cause cancer, nerve damage, etc. You will be required to do repetitive tasks in unergonomic positions. You may be required to work in confined areas that require special ventilation. You may be required to work with your hands overhead all shift. You may be required to work on your knees all shift. You may be required to work in a squatting position all shift. Most likely your knees and back will give you problems after 20 years of this work. You will start out at $12.72 per hour but will work up at a rate of $.50 per hour every 6 months.
    Just because you had the support to get an education doesn't make you any better than anyone else. The bottom line is Boeing can't find enough people to do airplane assembly. They have been hiring for the last 3 years. If the work was as easy as you make it out to be there wouldn't be a shortage of airplane assemblers and new hires wouldn't be quitting. We also wouldn't be on strike. It's not as good of a gig as you may think. You are free to apply and try it out.     Reply
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    wetwillie
    Sep 14 05:50 PM
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    I have worked in a union shop and it completely shut down indivual initiative. I worked hard, studied and got a degree on my own. What is needed is an enviorment that both labor and management work together instead of us and them. Cheaper labor doesn't always equate to a cheaper product but it is a price competitive world and until they find common pain it will go on. Reply
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    TinyTim
    Sep 14 04:19 PM
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    Globalization is the great equalizer.

    Keep in mind, we're competing against the top of the food chain in places like India and China. The botttom is lucky to get a bowl of rice a week. The disparity of wealth distribution is greater in these places.     Reply
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    TinyTim
    Sep 14 04:12 PM
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    When "workers at the US plants earn wages closer to the globalized average", then "a days work equals a bowl of rice".

    This also applies to the obscenely high pay for US corporate executives. If they're that good, why the big worries over golden parachutes? Most of them are there thru 80% luck and timing, not business skills. Even if they opt to go down with the ship, these execs have a lot more job mobility.

    Globalization is the great equalizer.
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    Drill&Fill
    Sep 14 11:28 AM
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    So lets all give a collective "oh poor baby" to "gettinghosed&quo... and his entertaining outlook towards union folks. I'm guessing that he would include those SPEEA union guys too and not just the IAM in his world of "good verses the evil unions" scenario.

    Whats wrong, the ventilation system not working too well in your cubical this morning.

    "Fineprint" brought up the point of looking back at the last couple of contracts. (well put I might add and a good idea) Times were bad for everyone, and the unions as a whole asked for "nothing" to help keep the company in the green in those tough times. Boeing was happy to give us exactly that, "nothing". As I remember it, the only sticking point was that Boeing tried to cut off medical benefits to the retired folk and all new hires as well. The old "devide and conquer" tactic. We didn't fall for it. Boeing backed off, and the "nothing gained" contracts passed.

    So now, after helping to pull this company through that time, and speed up production while we we're at it, "gettinghosed&quo... thinks we're not entitled to any kind of a pay raise what so ever.

    "gettinghosed&quo... Maybe you should try and open a window for some fresh air. Oh thats right, your in a cubical, sorry!

    I've over a quarter century of aircraft experience and not all of it is from working at Boeing. It is all hands on too. I have, and am required to have, licenses, certificates, qualifications, annual certs, bi-annual certs, documentation out the kazoo. Every task I do on an aircraft has to be exactly correct everytime without fail. I am proud of the work that I do and of the quality that it is. I've shaken the hands of our airline customers that accept these flying machines. Some of those customers know me by name and ask for me by name as well when there's a problem and they want it fixed right. Without going into details I can honestly say that I've saved this company "millions" through my work ethic and dedication to the task at hand. Our airline customers recognize this by coming back time and again, but Boeing would rather not.

    I am like every other working stiff in america. I want to better myself and the quality of life for my family. I don't consider me or my fellow employees "worthless union pricks" as you so eloquently put it. You might try and look in the mirror, just scratch out the word "union".

    I hope you never hold a union job. I'm sure you never will because there will always be non-critical jobs around for people like you. The kind of people that just roll over and pee on themselves instead of standing up and fighting for what's due them. Good Luck to you!

    So when you go home tonight have your mommy make you a sandwich with the crusts cut off. Go to your room and type us out another story of the evil unions. This time maybe leave out the potty talk, it makes the story even more immature.

    By the way, what do you like on your "Bowl of rice" butter or how about a little Soy?



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    cwamember
    Sep 14 09:34 AM
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    Yo gettinghosed, a little self inflated aren't we?

    Let me understand this. The workers should accept whatever the company deems fair, without complaint, because that's exactly what you do.
    it's exactly that kind of thinking that continues the downward spiral in wages and benefits in America.

    I have to pay for health care, so why shouldn't you! I get crappy raises, so why shouldn't you! I have no job security, so why should you!

    Your totally spineless, and unfortunantly, your not alone.

    Thank You to the good brother and sisters of the IAM at Boeing for standing up and saying ENOUGH!

    No disrespect,gettinghose... I hope you do get your bonus,but not at the expense of working people.

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    jimsep
    Sep 14 02:11 AM
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    Like Caterpillar, another global company competing in international markets, Boeing needs to win this fight, no matter what the near term cost is.

    If they cave, this company is headed in the same direction as the US auto industry. That means the stock will go down. A lot!



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    Deliveryman
    Sep 13 10:42 PM
    Boeing Strike Seems More Like Corporate Terrorism [view article]
    All right then. Stephanie you messed up big time. Just because you are educated does not make you a smart or decent person. This article reminds me of the college fool who wrote the article about Tillman (you remember him, the pro footballer killed in Afghanistan) Rene Gonzales was his name. To Stephanie and Rene, you really haven't live long enough to take on this subject. Period. But I digress...
    I humbly submit the following to you Stephanie: Ahem....
    Do you happen to know what the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is? Read article 23. It basically states everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests. And you know who the biggest critics are of the UDHR? The Islamic community. Funny huh? Look it up for yourself. As a 21 year Boeing employee I can add this: Every three years there is an expiration of our IAM contract. Every three years the company cries broke and we lose a little medical here, little dental there. No problem, after 9/11 we wanted our company to get healthy again, As well as our country. So now we are healthy. Guess what happened again? More medical takeaways hidden in the fine print. Boasted as a great offer by Doug Kite, who was charged with selling this contract to thousands of people who distrust him. So Stephanie, let's say whoever you work for every three years starts chipping away at your medical. Which, no offense, you appear to be headed down the wrong health path at such a young age. Wait until after 30 or 40 your knees will start to feel the burden you've place on them. Listen and understand, the older you get the MORE YOU NEED medical help. You'll see someday. Medical means a lot to Boeing people, building airplanes...not easy. You know how to rivet? That's an impact sport where after ten years the doctor says you can't feel your fingers due to nerve damage. Good God grow up and learn from the experience of life.     Reply
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    BlueDog
    Sep 13 10:22 PM
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    The Test of Wills at Boeing [view article]
    "Unions nearly always want their "fair share" when times are good, never wanting to give anything back when times are poor."

    So true.     Reply
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    gettinghosed
    Sep 13 10:05 PM
    The Test of Wills at Boeing [view article]
    I'd just like to thank all the worthless union pricks in Seattle and elsewhere for screwing the rest of us non-union employees out of any kind of bonus this year, and all the shareholders out of decent dividends. You greedy pieces of crap don't seem to understand that you're hurting more than just the company execs with your strike. You always think the company OWES you something - well guess what - this company doesn't OWE you a GD thing. This company is even with you every two weeks when you get your paycheck. You should just suck it up, take some pride in your company and yourselves, and do an honest day's work (i.e. not lounging around jacking off for 8 hours a day so you can pick up overtime) for an honest day's pay. And by the way, YOU'RE MACHINISTS! YOU DON'T DESERVE HUGE SALARIES! I'm not saying you should be working for a bowl of rice or starving, but seriously, there's not one machinist anywhere who should be making $65K/year! That's ridiculous! All this strike does is reenforce the company's desire to outsource. This union problem will eventually work itself out when Boeing has moved all it's assembly either A) offshore, or B) to Right to Work states. I personally can't wait for the day that we're free of unions once and for all. We'll just have to see how many of you are willing to move to Oklahoma to work on the 737 replacement!
    And you know what? Executives make big salaries - that's how it works. They make more than you because they're WORTH more than you. Think about it...a machinist quits/retires/gets fired. Who cares? Shareholders don't notice, the company just hires another one, and they probably get more work out of him for awhile, because the new guy doesn't have seniority so he's not as free to sit around doing nothing all day. And life goes on. It's the same for engineers or middle management - union or not. But if the company loses an executive it's huge - it drives the stock price, along with investor and customer confidence in the company. So maybe McNerny did may $12 million last year - so what? If he's the face the customers (civil or government) and investors want to see, then I say let him have his money! Instead of bitching about it you could always get off your asses, get MBAs, and start applying yourselves so that someday YOU could be CEOs. But instead you'll continue to delude yourselves into thinking you're irreplacable and entirely responsible for the company's turnaround. I wonder though, have any of you stiking union members noticed that the stock price has dropped by nearly 50% in the last 9 months? Or that we haven't won a big military contract in quite some time - including the tanker, which was most likely overpriced due to the outrageous labor costs the company has to pay it's unskilled labor. Boeing may have a large backlog of orders now, but the only way the company can continue to be competetive is to keep it's costs down. So it is both thick-headed and short-sighted for the union to piss and moan about kicking in $50-$100/month for health insurance (like the rest of us), or having to, God-forbid, pay a $250 deductible at the hospital (like the rest of us), or whining about larger pensions when the plan that's currently in place for them is VERY good considering most companies have done away with pensions all-together - and not easy for the company to maintain, especially with people living longer.
    So to sum up - you people need to get your greedy spoiled butts back to the assembly lines and be happy with everything you have. And leave your sense of entitlement at the door. If you don't think the company is treating you fairly, then f-ing quit and try to find a better deal somewhere else. Good luck, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.     Reply
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    phylclar
    Sep 13 07:07 PM
    The Test of Wills at Boeing [view article]
    The strike is counterproductive for their members. Buyer of sophisticated aircraft will not purchase and operate using scabs in this techinical field tnat has chosen to strike. That said, the union will not win a thing as stock price and sales will plummet over time.

    We are going into a recession, if we are not already there. Let's see if everyone can work together for a common goal- profitability... Hurting BA sales will just make both sides the loser.     Reply
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    MikeBoyScout
    Sep 13 06:55 PM
    The Test of Wills at Boeing [view article]
    The IAM is free to be stupid and/or block headed.
    Boeing management is not.
    The outsourcing model the IAM is striking over has led to a 15 month delay to the 787, and a decrease in the share price of more than 40%.

    There may come a day when Boeing's management can execute their outsourcing plan to profitability on an airplane program. But at the rate it has gone thus far, it is reasonable for shareholder to assume this day is more than 3 years away, so....
    get the GD contract done, get your people back to work and stop arguing over castles in the sky outsourcing models you've failed to execute to plan for the past 4 years.     Reply
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    OnStrike
    Sep 13 06:52 PM
    Boeing Strike Seems More Like Corporate Terrorism [view article]
    Just read the article and comments. The writer doesn't have a clue. I would of lost $100 per month had this contract been accepted due to the changes in benefits. I took the time to read 300+ pages of the proposed contract, I am informed. It is not as simple as 11% + signing bonus. If it was it would of passed easily. Please take the time to read the proposed contract before you post.
    As for replacement workers here's a little known fact: Boeing can't get enough workers as is. Over 30% of those hired in the last year have quit. Why? The standard Boeing work schedule for an IAM member who is involved in airplane assembly is 19 days on and 2 off. Not just for a little while, for years on end. Not every shop is working it, but enough are that people will strike just to have time off.
    Remember there is alot more to this strike than an outsider could imagine.     Reply
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    bill d
    Sep 13 06:32 PM
    The Test of Wills at Boeing [view article]
    1. Who really is the bigger loser - in both the short & long term ?

    2. Look back at what happened to steel companies, airlines, and now Detroit.

    3.. Get a picture of the Boeing employee parking lot and tell me what you see.     Reply
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