Bluefire Ethanol Fuels, Inc. (BFRE.OB)

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  • commenter
    Rob Mida
    Oct 02 03:33 PM
    My Website
    BlueFire Ethanol Fuels: Converting Garbage Into Profits [view article]
    If you want a list of possible problems, I suggest the site below
    energyjustice.net.

    Tom,

    using a blend of E30 would not translate into a 30% reduction in crude oil imports.
    1) The controversial reduction in miles per gallon with alcohol.
    2) For corn ethanol you still use diesel on farm equipment, tremendous amounts of water and fertilizer. Nitrogen is derived from (increasingly and up to half imported) natural gas sources. As well as oil.
    3)With cellulosic, nobody has yet to make it cost effective - don't listen to engineers blaming public policy, especially when BP, Chevron, and others are MAJOR investors in agro-fuels as it delays the day we stop using fuels and inefficient internal combustion engines.

    And this isn't to say our public policies on energy (or financing) are sound. They are near-sighted and foolish at best. If we had had good policy we wouldn't have the crisis we are in now. Large corporations and special interests write the laws and hand them to their insider politicians that they pay off and that's how we've gotten these policies. Any 'solutions' published in the main stream are only market-friendly, feel good, green wash programs, like agrofuels and take away from the real solutions out there.

    Also, we hardly have "unlimited" sources for cellulose. It might seem that way, but using all our natural forests for fuel and replacing them with GE monoculture tree plantations will hardly help our situation. Soil degradation is a problem too and contributes much more to climate change than is realized.

    I could go on, e-mail me if you are interested in a discussion or would like to know more about why these things are flawed OR the solutions that would actually work.

    mida@energyjustice.net     Reply
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    Mclovin
    Sep 03 05:48 PM
    BlueFire Ethanol Fuels: Converting Garbage Into Profits [view article]
    I am writing a policy debate case over this for my junior year in high school and i seee virtually no flaws in the idea to transform one of the most talked about ideas into reality. Not to mention the world wil smell better lol.... well the point is if you are still reading this statement that i would like someone t o submit a list of possible problems so that i can find the answer thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... Reply
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    BobinCA
    Jul 27 05:47 PM
    Cellulosic Ethanol: The Next Biofuel Boom? [view article]
    If you look at the number of landfills in this country alone that have been filled and consider that new places for landfills are becoming extremely hard to come by (e.g. Los Angeles trying to get the Eagle Mountain open-pit iron mine for a landfill), it seems to me that garbage is one thing we won't be running out of anytime soon. Places to put garbage, yes. Garbage itself, no.

    What will you do with your compost? What problems will that solve? Bluefire's technology, if it can be scaled, reduces what goes into landfills, extracts methane from the existing landfill to use for a heat source (methane is a much worse GHG than CO2), produces usable transport fuel, partially powers itself from the leftover lignin, and hopefully makes money in the process. All without burning fossil fuels. Obviously, it remains to be seen if that latter criterion (making money) can be met, but the pilot plant that has been operating in Japan has been slowly scaled up and is still working well. The Japanese results were known when DoE gave Bluefire the grant.

    It should be noted that this process will also work with any other cellulose-based feedstock, such as wood chips (the Japanese plant runs on wood), switchgrass, etc.

    Finally, "lowest cost" isn't necessarily required. Lower cost than gasoline (taking into consideration the difference in energy content) is all that's necessary, since no one source can provide all the fuel we'll need. That's why I think this may be viable regardless of what others do. We're going to need every drop of ethanol/methanol/butan... we can get our hands on, and making fuel out of trash or other waste doesn't impact food supplies or land needs.

    I don't own any stock in this company, but I am thinking of buying some.

    On Jul 11 02:57 AM CCHanderson wrote:

    > I believe ethanol production requires a more consistent product than
    > yard and vegetative waste to produce a reliable product at the lowest
    > cost.
    >
    > I think a better alternative would be to require landfills to operate
    > a public compost operation that could then be reused in the community.
    > Some places already have this in the US but it does not seem to be
    > going mainstream.     Reply
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    CCHanderson
    Jul 11 02:57 AM
    Cellulosic Ethanol: The Next Biofuel Boom? [view article]
    I believe ethanol production requires a more consistent product than yard and vegetative waste to produce a reliable product at the lowest cost.

    I think a better alternative would be to require landfills to operate a public compost operation that could then be reused in the community. Some places already have this in the US but it does not seem to be going mainstream.


    On Jul 08 04:17 PM Mr. Black wrote:

    > Cellulosic biofuel deserves much attention. But none of the many
    > websites that i have read say anything about adding landscaping waste,
    > restaurant fruit and veggie waste, supermarket fruit and veggie waste,
    > school cafeteria waste, and oh so much more. Imagine that what we
    > usually throw in the garbage could be turned into fuel. How about
    > adding curbside home wastes including fruit and veggie, grass clippings,
    > leaves, prunings, etc. to the process?
    >
    > You talk about no cost. What about not putting the items listed
    > above in our landfills.
    >
    > Anybody .....     Reply
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    Mr. Black
    Jul 08 04:17 PM
    Cellulosic Ethanol: The Next Biofuel Boom? [view article]
    Cellulosic biofuel deserves much attention. But none of the many websites that i have read say anything about adding landscaping waste, restaurant fruit and veggie waste, supermarket fruit and veggie waste, school cafeteria waste, and oh so much more. Imagine that what we usually throw in the garbage could be turned into fuel. How about adding curbside home wastes including fruit and veggie, grass clippings, leaves, prunings, etc. to the process?

    You talk about no cost. What about not putting the items listed above in our landfills.

    Anybody .....
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    bobju
    Jul 06 09:25 PM
    BlueFire Ethanol Fuels: Converting Garbage Into Profits [view article]
    I believe the info on BFRE's website and, as a chemical engineer, also think they are the real deal. They are the only cellulosic ethanol producer that has a highly profitable process, which is problematic for others trying to develop a cellulosic process. They have a small prototype plant scheduled for completion in about a year, and a larger plant to follow that, with many plants scheduled in future years. I have bought some BFRE shares . Reply
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    CCHanderson
    May 29 01:47 AM
    Is Cellulosic Ethanol Always the Bridesmaid? [view article]
    I do see the dim light getting brighter for cellulose based ethanol. I have been following the field testing / production side of the movement. I see several new species of grasses that are far superior to corn and possible yields up to ten tons per acre (wet biomass). I was checking some of the gate prices in the TVA and prices were approaching 50$. The production cost is much lower than other crops and it is a perennial (1 planting). There is a strong University coalition behind cellulose and I think its going to make it mainstream. As far as supply and demand goes you cant make a logical distinction between corn based ethanol and cellulose. Many of the buffer strips already in place will be replanted with a variety of
    "super grass", and the rest will come from class 3-5 lower producing fields. I think CBE will be like any agricultural based technology... slow to roll out and long standing. I see many additional feeder markets developing from this including coal and electricity. Below are some interesting links.

    U of I
    miscanthus.uiuc.edu/

    Treehugger.com
    www.treehugger.com/fil...     Reply
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    DIEGOJAMES
    May 11 03:21 PM
    My Website
    BlueFire Ethanol: A Solution to the Food vs. Fuel Problem [view article]
    As a Organic medicinal chemist/pharmacist with 7 YEARS of UNIVERSITY LEVEL CHEMISTRY ETC good luck on ETOH (VODKA) as commerical fuel.

    remember the german army in WWII used some ethanol because diesel was not available and they LOST. F-T process has alot more hope.
    Pour some sulfuric acid into your trash can and try to fuel your CAR. Then consider the MINI COOPER with a turbo diesel and some small electric motors or a propane tank which is all possible NIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF THIS BS that is being proposed.

    I am leaving a financially rewarding career to apply for free RESEARCH MONEY for SILLY compounds ....try feeding garbage to the POLAR BEARS and corn HUSK to the ELK in ALASKA..Happy Mothers Day WHILE I pour some ethanol over ice(MARTINI)

    Maybe a methanol fuel cell will work before grass etc,wood chips. I know FARMERS AND TRUCKERS NEED JOBS. But Congress has give enough MONEY TO THEM.
    Money to the CHEMIST OF THE USA AND THE PHYSICISTS. FREE HOUSING WHILE WE RESEARCH FOR OUR SALVATION.

    BUILDING SOLAR PANELS AND WIND TURBINES IN NORTHRIDGE ,CALIFORNIA
    ps WAITING FOR MY GOVERMENT CHECK
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    bobju
    May 10 05:29 PM
    BlueFire Ethanol: A Solution to the Food vs. Fuel Problem [view article]
    Bluefire is the only cellulosic ethanol company that has an actual process with patent protection and production experience that is cost-effective , even for smaller-sized plants, if one can believe their website information( as a chemical engineer I tend to accept their story). other coming cellulosic "producers" are not convincing, and most still rely on coming breakthroughs from technology partnerships with Universities or other research organizations. Reply
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    CC Sherrill
    in NC null
    May 06 11:13 PM
    BlueFire Ethanol: A Solution to the Food vs. Fuel Problem [view article]
    If a satisfactory substitute for gasoline can be economically developed through the use of cellulose as the source product,then Congress should repeal Act prohibiting the growth of the HEMP plant in the U.S. Hemp has all the preferred qualities of a cellulose, easily planted, requires no cultivation and is disease free. Would
    flurish accross the U.S, is highly productive and does not require replanting. Sugar Cain could provide another excellent product source. My source of information is Google and Yahoo.     Reply
  • commenter
    straykozel
    May 05 05:33 PM
    BlueFire Ethanol: A Solution to the Food vs. Fuel Problem [view article]
    In response to Tom:

    1) Researchers at Cornell University and the University of California-Berkeley say it takes 29 percent more fossil energy to turn corn into ethanol than the amount of fuel the process produces. For switch grass, a warm weather perennial grass found in the Great Plains and eastern North America United States, it takes 45 percent more energy and for wood, 57 percent.

    It takes 27 percent more energy to turn soybeans into biodiesel fuel and more than double the energy produced is needed to do the same to sunflower plants, the study found.

    2) Intelligent people act:

    www.freerepublic.com/t...

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  • commenter
    Tom
    Caracciolo
    May 05 02:55 PM
    BlueFire Ethanol: A Solution to the Food vs. Fuel Problem [view article]
    I think it would be very helpful for everyone who has not already done it to visit two very key web sites that are very informative and tell it like it is: ethanol.org and e85fuel.com. Both of these will bring everyone up to date on what has already been accomlished, what is currently being done, and what is in store for the future as far as the U.S. is concerned.

    In addition, anyone that would like to learn what all the other countries in the world have already done and are currently doing to stop using fossil fuels made from oil and to switch to environmentally friendly renewable fuels can visit ipdgroup.com and subscribe to their news service for energy industry professionals called ENERGY INDUSTRY TODAY. It costs very little and you will receive daily current world wide news that will give you the facts relating to the current global transition to renewable fuels. Some countries have made more progress than our United States (thanks to Exxon Mobile and other Big U.S. Oil Barrons that have been all too much controlling of our representatives in Washington D.C. for many years).     Reply
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    straykozel
    May 05 08:08 AM
    BlueFire Ethanol: A Solution to the Food vs. Fuel Problem [view article]
    <<...the Farm Bill, DOE heavily investing into multiple projects (40mil grant for BFRE) so unless you don't care about the global environment, then keep your XOM stock, your nay-saying and your old ways...>>

    You sound like an extreme dogmatist. Also the "tax break" means we have to pay for it. This Ethanol stuff reminds me of Potemkin's willages.     Reply
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    jjason
    May 05 06:28 AM
    BlueFire Ethanol: A Solution to the Food vs. Fuel Problem [view article]
    I have followed discussions on ethanol for about a year. There is so much "opinion" that it becomes hard to determine if anyone knows what they are talking about. On a recent trip I took from PA. to Los Angeles I used a 10% ethanol blend and did not find that it was any cheaper to fill up my tank. I look at data for firms like adm, Pacific Ethanol, etc. and some companies do not even have product to sell...but they went public...and someone, somewhere, is pushing the stock.

    I guess I will just wait another year before I buy stock in an ethanol firm.

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    Norman
    Lepoff, M.D.
    May 05 05:51 AM
    BlueFire Ethanol: A Solution to the Food vs. Fuel Problem [view article]
    Interesting article and comments. Very informative. Thanks to all of you. Reply
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