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yeah great idea!!On Jan 18 07:14 PM Anonymous wrote:
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General Discussion on JADE
Is this a buy or a sell? ReplyEarnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
last one is me. ReplyEarnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
KiritVora and others. I didn't intend for the charts to be the end all of valuation, rather, just something to think about along with my ideas.fxtrader07, It is just something to think about as alternative energy becomes more common. Yes, it could be soon or as I say "centuries." It will happen eventually though. Just look at how the world and technology has changed so fast in so little time after the Industrial Revolution. airplanes, cars, jet propulsion, subs, computers etc. were not here 180 years ago.
Thanks for the feedback. Reply
Earnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
just to remark: railroads have been around for centuries now. you suggest they may be replaced soon. may i ask: by what other new means of bulk transportation? any suggestion?just curious since you sound a bit as the death of railroads is just around the corner (just by a few decades) Reply
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Earnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
Interesting article, but I agree with other comments about P/E contraction etc. You can use this type of basis to invest though assuming 1.consistent companies 2. low P/Es ReplyEarnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
David - on the last recession scare, Apple bumped down almost exactly to its 100 day EMA (low 150.63 EMA aprox 150). If it were to repeat that in the next couple of days, the current EMA (100) is about 168.)This is quite a ways from your 130 - but it we hit a real recession...
Best of luck - and see you in December. :)
jmmx - in Portland Orygun (where it is raining) Reply
Earnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
Nice article, sparking substantial discussion.The fly in the ointment, as pointed out, is the fallibility of the "consensus estimates" of future EPS values. If they were at all reliable, stocks would never stray from those lines.
But in truth, they're ALMOST ALWAYS low when earnings are doing well, due to the intersection of the tendency of companies to lowball guidance, and the tendency of analysts to lowball estimates (it's much better for an analyst to make estimates a little under actual reported earnings than to err on the other side), and they're ALMOST ALWAYS high when earnings sag, as the causes for sagging earnings are normally not predictable and tend to arrive as a surprise.
Picking localized highs/lows to sell/buy at turns out to be usually no better than throwing darts. I find that if I track PE vs time for any given stock, one can see when it is historically on the high side, and also when it approaches the lower range of historical PE fluctuation. It can hug the upper/lower end of the range for quite a while, but usually in bubbles or recessions, there is often a distinct spike that makes a reasonable point at which to buy/sell with a bit lower risk over a reasonable time period (1-3 years) that the decision will work out.
If you're a day trader, with short time horizons, then none of this matter to you, as your universe is a matter of hours/minutes, not weeks/months/years.
That's about as reliable a thing as I can find.
Looking forward, the possibility of a significant recession with rising unemployment might make for a buying opportunity in AAPL, with it declining to something around 130 as the water goes out of the stock PE pool, and all the boats go lower, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR EARNINGS ARE DOING.
But even if you bought it on New Year's Eve for about 200, you would likely be profitable within a year, and making respectable profits in a couple of years.
Of course, if you bought in near 130 at the bottom of this hypothetical recessionary blood-letting, ... well, in that event you should send me some money to celebrate on 12/31/2008. Good Luck. Reply
Earnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
As for Apple...
if you look at the yahoo chart of competitors (sorry but formating does not seem to work here, but you can see:
finance.yahoo.com/q/co...)
Here you can see that Apple is at the top of most of the measures of value - especially forward growth. So little wonder if it is at the top of the P/E valuation.
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Apple DIRECT COMPETITOR COMPARISON (from Yahoo)
AAPL DELL HPQ MSFT Industry
Market Cap: 157.64B 49.50B 120.64B 321.64B 49.50B
Employ_ees: 21,600 83,300 172,000 79,000 21.60K
Qtrly Rev Growth (yoy): 28.50% 8.50% 15.20% 27.30% 2.70%
Revenue (ttm): 24.01B 59.61B 104.29B 54.07B 24.01B
Gross Margin (ttm): 33.97% 18.75% 24.36% 78.41% 33.97%
EBITDA (ttm): 4.73B 4.11B 11.48B 22.07B 4.11B
Oper Margins (ttm): 18.37% 5.97% 8.42% 37.87% 5.62%
Net Income (ttm): 3.50B 2.99B 7.26B 14.88B 2.99B
EPS (ttm): 3.931 1.325 2.677 1.524 1.33
P/E (ttm): 45.80 16.67 17.51 22.56 36.67
PEG (5 yr expected): 1.61 1.24 0.98 1.52 1.61
P/S (ttm): 7.11 0.89 1.23 6.12 0.83
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With something like 7% Mac usage, there is lots of room for growth. Since a major factor in the growth is the word-of-mouth recommendations, and Mac has by far the highest scores here, I think the growth could continue at 40+% for the next two or three years - barring a recession of course.
I think people have not really comprehended the extent of the Mac revolution that is underway. As the basis for this point of view, I take not only the recent accounts of the growth in Mac market share, but also this very informative article:
Is Tech Support Getting Worse?
ARTICLE DATE: 09.13.07
By Eric Griffith
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www.pcmag.com/print_ar...
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Ostensibly on tech support, the article gives other info from their survey.
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Let me give a couple of findings reported:
* "Of course, no Windows machine comes close to Apple's 9.1 overall score... the 93 percent score for new desktops working right out of the box."
* "What's left to say? If you buy a Mac, not only will you in all likelihood love it, but you're also going to recommend it to your friends while enjoying all the time you can spend not fixing it."
* "And readers scored Mac notebooks a full 100 percent for ease of setup. Simply amazing."
* "And the numbers show that people already using Macs almost always recommend Macs. The score of 9.4 out of 10 for Apple is the highest ever seen in any of our surveys."
This last quote is the most important of all - for here lies the crux of my argument. If 94% of Mac users are recommending them then they will have some effect on their friends and fellow workers. Let us suppose that ON THE AVERAGE each of these users convinces just 2 other people to buy a Mac. This does not have to mean that they become impassioned advocates - just adding in the final "I love mine" into a discussion might be enough. The two keys: 1- Ease of use, 2- Reliability..
This is exponential growth! I can see Apple having 40% of all new sales in 5 years (perhaps even in 4). Sounds ridiculous - but remember - they OWN the Mac OS, if you choose Mac OS then you must buy a Mac. That is a lot of computers.
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In my humble opinion. -- jmmx
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Earnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
Well – there is a lot to say about this article!First off – the points are well taken: it is common for stocks to run up too far for their intrinsic value, to “get ahead of themselves.” Also – it is not possible for any company to maintain 20% or higher growth rate indefinitely.
That said, however, there are several points to be made. First, what the author has described (and charted) is simply the commonly known relationship the P/E ratio.
One real problem with the article, is that the charts are not normalized – they do not illustrate a common P/E ratio. The implied ratios for the charts (very roughly calculated) are:
Stock P/E
Starbucks 25
Citigroup 8
BoA 12
Circuit City 20
Best Buy 10
Apple 25
Sunpower 25
Home Depot 11
LJ International 24
And so the charts show that the prices for BoA and CC both track earnings almost exactly. One, however, has a P/E of 12, the other of 20. The graph for BBY also tracks the EPS closely (if you smooth). It is, however, constantly above the EPS line implying that it is overpriced. Yet, today its P/E is only 15.5. If we look at Starbucks graph, we see that the price recently crossed under the EPS line. From the article one would guess that the author was suggesting that this was the “correct” valuation, and now that the price was below the line, the stock is now somewhat oversold. BUT, at the crossover, the P/E appears to have been around 31 – way different from the P/E of crossovers on the other graphs. So what SHOULD the P/E of a stock be?
That of course is the proverbial $64,000 question. But if you look at the table comparing the estimated earnings rise, it seems as though people will give a higher P/E for a higher growth rate. That is pretty much what we expect. In fact, for the high growth stocks, it seems like people are paying about 25 P/E for the EPS expected 2-3 years out. Perhaps that is not unreasonable??
Stock 2003 2011 % Current P/E PEG
Starbucks 0.30 1.75 580 21 0.85
Citigroup 2.8 3.5 125 7.6 1.80
BoA 3.0 5.5 183 9 1.91
Circuit City 0.6 0.6 100 xx NA
Best Buy 1.2 4.2 350 15.5 0.98
Apple 0.25 * 10 4000 46 1.61
Sunpower
(start 12/30/2006) 0.25 * 5 2000 637 2.48
Home Depot 1.6 3.2 200 10.4 0.87
LJ International
(start 1/30/2004) 0.2 0.40 200 15.50 NA
* - estimated
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Earnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
Concerning BEST BUY the current stock price, by some estimates, is grossly undervalued. That ofcourse happens all the time. But, looking at your graph, one could draw a quick visual conclusion that BBY is grossly overvalued. Looking closely at your graph reveals that BBY should be valued at around $50 which is indeed the case. But looking at it visually one could reach incorrect conclusions. Mr. KiritVora brings this aspect to highlight and perhaps, you might be able to bring about a closer alignment visually. Other than that, I found your article very helpful and informative. Please keep sharing your excellent insights for the readers.Reply
Earnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
There are a couple of serious problems with your analysis. Others have mentioned one problem, i.e. that consensus estimates by analysts may be under- or over-estimating true earnings power. The second problem is that there is no right way of overlaying earnings with price. Take Best Buy for example. If you move the earnings line up, you get a far different picture. The way you have drawn the lines, you are leading viewers to conclude that Best Buy is a sell because, at some point, the price has to come down to touch the earnings line. But, if the earnings line were drawn above the price line, somebody who viewed the graph would conclude that Best Buy is undervalued. Neither conclusion would be valid from a simple glance at the overlay chart. I hate to say this but, such simplistic analysis is practically worthless. ReplyEarnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
Hi Mark,Good article, I would love to see more charts with earnings overlayed on price-- what was your source for these charts? Reply
Earnings Power vs. Investor Sentiment [view article]
I agree with awcabot, Apple is just at the beginning of a growth curve, not at the end of one. Your chart misses a huge metric that the consensus estimates have not accounted for- market share for the Mac. The ipod & iphone make the news, the mac makes the money. With the highest price tag and margins, this is where Apple makes most of it's profits. WIth the help of the ipod & iphone, the Mac has now been "discovered" by the mass media and general public. Apple is looking at over 40% growth in market share for the Mac vs 2006. Earnings for 2008 will be staggering. The only adjustments to your chart in 2008 will be up! Reply