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  • commenter
    =8)-DX
    May 17 09:37 AM
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    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    Hey there Dennis,

    I'd just like to correct you on a couple of things, which it seems you don't understand.

    Digistan is a syllabic abbreviation of Digital Standards. Just as for instance Microsoft is a syllabic abbreviation of Microcomputer Software. In other words the name has nothing to do with terrorism or Farsi. Producing such abbreviations is normal in various European languages.

    And as Digistan is presumably funded by European EUR (and other EU currencies) I can't possibly see how it could be using up your US taxpayer dollars. Also it seems to me that the cost of a single website and someone drafting a declaration shouldn't be too much. People participating pro-bono in workgroups and open source projects don't cost anything and I would rather say they bring unmeasurable value.

    You are right in saying that the website with its declaration should more precisely define what "free and open standards" are and I also on first reading their declaration felt a little "propaganda-fille... But on reflection it seems to me very simple, that a "free standard" means - without expensive patents attached. An "open standard" means one available to all interested parties (such as software developers) and not vendor-specific. For instance HTML or XML or CSS. These specifications are available for free online in many places and for me as a web developer it is easy to write HTML. Also I can be reasonably assured that people using different browsers, operating systems or even devices will be able to view and access this HTML. Conversely I would not call for instance MSOXML an open standard (yet - until OOXML is published and implemented) because it is extremely difficult for me to create or edit such a document (which I have tried to do many times with varying levels of success - with next to no reference material) and the document I produce is only openable using a single vendor's software. As for Digistan "having a problem defining" free and open standards I later found they hava definition on www.digistan.org/open-....

    Dennis, I would please like you to give us a explanation of why you think this declaration is wrong or bad (does it contain bad logic?) and who it will hurt.

    And also it would be good to apologize for your tone which seems to imply there is something inherently bad in either coutries ending in "stan", Europeans, left-wing ideology. This seems like deep predjudice which is something you yourself are criticising (anti-Microsoft predjudice). Also as a European I think it would be good to have more competition in the software market, for instance in the Czech Republic where I live there are only a handful of Microsoft emplyees/representativ... The majority of all profit spent by people here on MS Office and Windows etc etc goes to the US. "Free and open standards" are one of the things that will allow capable Czech programmers an equal chance on the global IT market.     Reply
  • commenter
    Gillian
    Wates
    May 17 08:01 AM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    sam: thanks for your insightful remarks but I'm not sure Denise is against Linux so much as against freedom as a general principle. Also he seems to really dislike Soros, who is one of the richest men in the world. So he must be against rich people too. Maybe he's just an old white racist who regrets the passing of Empire and the availability of cheap ethnic labor? If you ask me, his analysis and writing is based more on the need to get another strong drink than to get facts.

    Who is paying for Denise's Drivel? MSFT? If so, is this not a pure waste of Microsoft Tax dollars? If I had MSFT shares instead of AAPL (which to be honest is doing a great job of executing Windows), I'd be selling them asap, because if this is how MSFT defends itself, by employing clowns as bloggers, wow... I mean, just wow...     Reply
  • commenter
    sam gregor
    May 17 07:01 AM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    To contribute a second thought, one should respect his age and grey hairs but this poor geezer belongs to the generation who still think that free software means 'amateur' software, that Linux was written by amateurs who have to give it away because it is so poor. I've actually heard one of them say so. He now believes it was written by terrorists, is that right? It's a wonderful thing when sharing, generosity, pure research and cooperation and the absence of a profit motive are equated with terrorism.
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    sam gregor
    May 17 06:51 AM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    Who is funding Denis Byron to write this warped rubbish? Unless of course it is a scam. With such an opponent open source software must be a good thing. Reply
  • commenter
    IloveMSFT
    May 17 04:59 AM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    User 194882: are you saying MSFT's EU fine was the result of the FFII and groups like it? Wow! I never realized how much power these dangerous radicals wield. Don't you think it's time for a total ban, enforced by the army if necessary, for this kind of thing? It seems bad for business to stop monopolists abusing their god-given market share. Let's shoot the judges while we're at it, they seem to also hate profits. I'm with you, please contact me at wipe.out.the.radicals@... LETS DO IT! Reply
  • commenter
    IloveMSFT
    May 17 04:54 AM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    User 194882: I guess you meant open standards, not open source. So MSFT is against open standards, is that what you mean? Just trying to get some clarity here. Reply
  • commenter
    IloveMSFT
    May 17 04:52 AM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    User 194882: I'm shocked. Are you saying Digistan is trying to influence political opinion? I thought the corridors of power were reserved for the rich lobbyists only. We should campaign for a ban on people trying to affect politics through activism. Ban the FFII!! Presumably they are all funded by terrodollars anyhow. BTW I heard a Microsoft lobbyist telling a conference that MSFT was an open source company. Does this mean MSFT is lobbying against itself? Anything seems possible after Vista. Reply
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    User 194882
    May 17 02:48 AM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    Digistan is an open source activism organization to influence the EU members /staff opinion and has relations with OFE and FFII both of which are active campaigners against Microsoft.
    In the anti OOXML OFE meeting in Geneva they were joined and sponsored by quite a few members of ECIS a lobby group of Microsoft competitors who launches formal complaints to the EU about Microsoft.
    So basically what we have is a lobby group of Microsoft competitors sponsoring a host of small (and related) Open source supportering lobby groups together trying to influence European Union opinions.

    Not coincidentally all of these activist lobby organizations of course have their base in or near Brussels and it seems they even have some of there members working within (or for) the European commissions staff advisory committee in information and communication technology (IDABC) in Brussel.

    With the influence these groups generate within the EU and the European commission it is a mistake to dissmiss them of hand. Politicians with little knowledge of ICT are easy to influence and the EU has alrerady seem some spectacular fine against Microsoft and looking at the shape of competitors funded lobbying efforts the next fines may be around the corner ...
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  • commenter
    Gillian
    Wates
    May 16 07:09 PM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    RV, I support Denis Biron's right to say freedom is for fascist terrorists who speak foreign languages. Clearly the world would be a better place if we all spoke English and ran the same operating system. The only free software would be viruses, which is good for the anti-virus industry. Lastly, I disagree that accepting free rides does NOT make you a fascist/communist. Reply
  • commenter
    RV
    May 16 03:24 PM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    stan means land. This guy is an absolute MORON. From now on, lets not give anything for free. Homeless, hungry and poor people must pay for their food and help (no more FREE rides). No more internet since almost all of the protocols underlining was developed for free or released for free, OpenOffice must be banned since it's free. No more web browser (Mozilal and derivatives are free, IE is free, Opera in free). Never mind that private companies like Red Hat, Suse, Ubuntu and others give their OS for free. banned them. Anyone who believes in free stuff must go to jail for being fascist or communist. I will notify my public library tha they are in violation since they give books for free every last Sunday of the month. No more of that, everyone must pay. From now my co-workers that ask me for a free ride to the subway station a few blocks away must pay me, no more free rides from me since I am not a fascist/communist. I am returning my toothpaste that included a a free toothbrush. My list is going to get very long. Reply
  • commenter
    simion
    May 16 02:21 PM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    this is my last comment, you know nothing:
    i will tell you the truth
    1.computers are old then Microsoft
    2. the windows(the GUI elements not the OS) are not created by Microsoft
    3. Operating Systems are older then Windows and Dos
    4. internet and html are not Microsofr creation
    5. C and c++ are not Microsoft creation
    6 Please read more and write less, you seem stupid     Reply
  • commenter
    Gillian
    Wates
    May 16 12:54 PM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    From the terms of use, one may not:

    # Post any comment that is unlawful, harmful or injurious to others, threatening, abusive, offensive, harassing, derisive, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, hatefully, racially, ethnically or otherwise tortious or objectionable.

    Now I'm no Microsoft supporter but IMO "fascist terrorists based in countries and regions using the Farsi-based suffix “stan.” is threatening, abusive, offensive, derisive, defamatory, vulgar, libelous, hatefully, racially, and ethnically objectionable.

    Dennis, I'm no microsoft fan but seriously, you should apologise before lots of angry digistanis write to contact-editorial@seek... expressing their shock and dismay that such comments would be published on a site like this.

    Just sayin'.     Reply
  • commenter
    Gillian
    Wates
    May 16 12:47 PM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    JohnMurphy: i like the idea of microserfia.com. like our own country from which to launch bombs on the digistanis. count me in. Email me at gillian.b.wates@gmail.... when you have built your site.

    simion: if you look up into the sky you will see a small shiny thing flying very high and very fast over your head.     Reply
  • commenter
    Gillian
    Wates
    May 16 12:42 PM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    simion: it's obvious MSFT invented the internet, like they invented the operating system, the PC, and the mouse. Linux stole everything from Windows. Everyone knows this, which is why no-one wants to give you the source code for linux. Sure, they say they will, but have you ever actually tried to get it? you see what i mean. Anyhow, i'm not a Microsoft supporter but i think hippy anti-capitalist freedom loving europeans should be forced to swear allegiance to vista. Reply
  • commenter
    TaNK
    May 16 12:19 PM
    Google, IBM, Red Hat, Sun and the Digistan Connection [view article]
    Heavens! We simply MUST nip the Hague Declaration in the bud! How DARE those freedom-loving Linux hippies try to give away a whole operating system and subvert the status-quo fiefdom??? We ALL know Microsoft's lobbyists ... err, agents for the greater good are trying their best to make sure governments are steered in the right direction in their own, non-threatening way! C'mon, how DARE any Linux nuts even think that open standards would save anyone money! I mean we ... err, THEY just don't get it! Status quo is comfortable, it's safe, no one got fired for buying IBM ... umm, Microsoft, ya see? Reply

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