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- Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing [view article]
- Pacific Ethanol: Market Growth and Increase in Production to the Rescue [view article]
- Why I'm Selling Pacific Ethanol [view article]
- Ethanol Stocks: The Good News and the Bad [view article]
- Ethanol: Our Answer to Reducing U.S. Dependence on Foreign Oil [view article]
- Ethanol Stock as Cheap as an Ear of Corn? [view article]
- Alternative Energy Investors See High Oil Prices as Temporary [view article]
- Best and Worst Performing Stocks Seven Months Into 2008 [view article]
- Growth in Corn Harvest Means Good News for Ethanol Producers [view article]
- Cramer: "Ethanol Is a Fuel That Doesn't Work" [view article]
- US Markets Rise as Alt. Energy Indices & Commodities Fall (Wk Ending 8/8) [view article]
- Wall Street Breakfast: Must-Know News [view article]
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- Study Shows Ethanol Energy Efficiency Is Growing
- Why I'm Selling Pacific Ethanol
- Ethanol Stocks: The Good News and the Bad
- Pacific Ethanol: Market Growth and Increase in Production to the Rescue
- Ethanol: Our Answer to Reducing U.S. Dependence on Foreign Oil
- Growth in Corn Harvest Means Good News for Ethanol Producers
- US Markets Rise as Alt. Energy Indices & Commodities Fall (Wk Ending 8/8)
- Wall Street Breakfast: Must-Know News
- EPA Rejects Congress's Ethanol Waiver
- Ethanol Stock as Cheap as an Ear of Corn?
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Ethanol Stock as Cheap as an Ear of Corn? [view article]
Vse, from riches to rags, just in stock price not in prospects. Watching this one in particular.Falling commodity prices will limit perceived upside for now. Reply
Ethanol Stock as Cheap as an Ear of Corn? [view article]
Charlie. Why do you keep posting that question? Farrell committed suicide.www.ktvu.com/news/1592...
I have spoken with colleagues who knew him well. His death was surprising, and tragic, but nobody can ever know really knows what drives a person to take his own life. Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
My, my. Leave you alone for a day and all heck busts loose without me and My own off the Cuff Big Mouth.What matters to me is "what will continue to happen to my corn-fed Cattle?" I mean I already have to pay 50% more for Rib Eye. I used to be able to get 10 ears of corn for a buck as little as 4 years ago, now if I'm lucky its only 5.
But that's just my rant, I love steak. The more marbled, the better.
Other than the price rise in food across the world, which coincidently began with Congress and the absurd thought that food should be a viable subsitute for lack of foresight, I have heard that Ethanol Fires are extremely hard to extinguish.
Could either of you distinguished erodites give me an answer regarding car crashes involving Ethanol fires.
Do all fire departments carry the chemicals necessary to extinguish them or is it a case of "Burn, baby burn". If the latter, then I would say the Infrastructure for Corn Ethanol has a long ways to go. Reply
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Ethanol Stock as Cheap as an Ear of Corn? [view article]
What was the cause of death of Alexander Farrell, 46, expert on alternative fuels?www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...
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Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
ElCid: Pretty good assessment.The biggest asset Ethanol has is the Farmers-Corn Lobby in D.C.
Everyone knows Corn doesn't hold a candle to sugar for efficiency or yield.
But as you said we need all the niche players in this "Whole new Game" .
We're going from one big player to a team and with no depth in the bench every 2% player has to be suited up!. Reply
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Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
You all are giving the US Congress (with around 20% approval ratings) way too much credibility.I strongly believe that the ethanol mandate will not be repealed simply because of significantly lower corn prices AND the fact that the infrastructure is already mostly in place to produce and distribute corn-based ethanol.
While it is definitely not the most efficient or socially responsible form of biofuel, it will be in the peripheral focus of US energy policy because the US has an enormous competitive advantage in corn production, as the US produces about 43% of the world's corn.
Cellulosic ethanol, wind power, solar power, biodiesel, sugar-based ethanol, clean coal, nuclear power, LNG, GTL, and even some algae tech I've read about lately should all be used as the US seeks to diversify away from "foreign oil." A modern economy is one of diversification, and with energy driving economic growth, there is no reason the US should have been dependent on oil for this long.
I could rant on and on about how I believe in supply-side economics, but I'll leave it with this: the US government needs to create a legal and tax environment that accommodates alternative energy research, development, production, distribution, and implementation and PE/VC money from Silicon Valley to Boston and everywhere in between will fund it and make some new billionaires along the way.
Never underestimate three things: human ingenuity, human creativity, and human greed...
Cheers Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
From a Chemical Engineer with good knowledge of the process of distilling ethanol...______________________...
"...The energy balance for ethanol production is a matter of some controversy. Typical energy input for a state-of-the-art process like the one I have described is about 34,000 BTU per gallon of fuel ethanol. Average ethanol input for actual plants in operation, most of which are older and not state of the art, is considerable higher at about 52,000 BTU/gal. Many plants are old or small and do not use molecular sieve dryers for ethanol purification, relying on a third distillation step that consumes more energy than the dryers. Older plants also do not feature all the energy recycling and can require 80,000 or more BTU to produce a gallon of fuel ethanol. As the energy content of ethanol is about 84,000 BTU/gallon, these old plants sometime consumed more energy to make the ethanol than what was contained in the product. Even the state-of-the art process requires energy equal to about 40% of the energy in the product to manufacture fuel ethanol. The effect of plant efficiency has affected the conclusions of studies looking at the total energy efficiency of corn to ethanol conversion..."
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I had stated over 30,000 btu per gallon ethanol as a good estimate of distillation EROEI input-quant... I also pointed out that those who did not well design systems (as state of the art here shows) would probably expend much more, witness the evidence of Mr. Miller's chosen study... it required roughly 3 times what state of the art systems described above use.... but, (and to you too, Mr. Miller) you see, these values as I at first projected and then teased from your chosen study data prove what is required...
And remember, this is simply the distillation step... all other processing inputs are ignored.
Giving Ethanol refiners tax credits encourages wasteful practices and bad engineering design justified by banker logic... money as the end all and be all.
Back in the late 70's, Smoky Yunick (who else alive reading SA besides me knows who Smoky even is, I wonder...) said that someday mankind would come to it's senses and use BTU's as a currency, instead of mythical electronic notional currency units, such as the unbacked dollar really is. He observed that it would change behavior, worldwide, for the better. Wasteful practices that "seemed smart by bankers" would be exposed for the fraud that it truly was.
Smoky was right. The hypesters and banksters are wrong.
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Best and Worst Performing Stocks Seven Months Into 2008 [view article]
Banks and Broker firms wrapped toxic waste i.e.: subprime, credit card debt, car loans, etc. into structured finance vehicles i.e.: CDO-ABS-MBS-SIVs and misled the market into buying them and bond insurers into insure them and now they have to clear their books from this toxic waste which is going to take time quarter after quarter but without a doubt will improve their book value. ReplyIs the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
ethanol has cost us more money food prices are up ethanol cost more i get 3 miles per gallon less milage i 29 with regular gas i got over 32 miles per gallon it is proven we get less milage that cost more money get rid of ethanol go back to gas hope congress will listen to consumers congress do something besides set on your ass and do nothing off shore drill will help drill drill drill ReplyIs the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
OJ's lawyer has left the building. ReplyIs the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Fireball...Sorry about your father. Losing mine was the hardest day in my life.
You'll see him in the next world. Take care of your kids and he'll be the proudest. That will be your happiest day. Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
DUTCHMAN the only u.s. project that i know of that is actually working is dar. by working i mean making money. ReplyIs the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Objectivity:I'll leave it to others to sort out the merits of this conversation between us. I rest my case.
Good luck on your journey.
Richard Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
Evidence... ahh... if only he would answer one time...Do the EROEI calc on your own posted study. Just consider the natgas. Do it. And post it here. Then I'll go thru it all.
Can't do it? Or won't?
It's one or the other. Reply
Is the Ethanol Mandate Likely to be Repealed? [view article]
OBJECTIVITY very wise advice. thank you. sitting in the hospital with my dad when his life was nearing the end he said , i have always tried to be so optimistic about God, life and country. now i am worried about you boys and even more about the grandkids. i am afraid for the times you may have to live through. i assured him that he and mom had been ideal parents and that we would be o.k. whatever was to come, because in the end we would see each other again. it was such a change in a man who had always cosidered God honor duty and honesty first in his everyday life. i mean the change in his optimistic nature. i have often wondered what he was shown or what was whispered in his dreams when he awoke in the wee hours of morning and started telling me those things. i believe the Bible refers to those resource wars as wars over the treasures under the ground. i am not sure where it is but when i read it my first thought was oil. Reply