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  • Tesla Roadster Upgrade Is A Very Big Deal [View article]
    JRP3 writes: " "MyMy ... the current Roadster owners spend more time charging than driving due to battery degradation."
    That is a lie. "

    Actually, it's not a lie.
    The average Roadster driver puts on about 5000 miles per year. Assuming a (low) average drive speed of 30 mph, that comes to about 167 hours of driving per year. With a year being 8760 hours (8766 if you use a 365.25 day year), the Roadster is being driven under 2% of the time. If you assume that the car is parked away from an outlet for 5x as long as it is driven, that comes to 10% of a year. The rest of the time the Roadster is plugged in ... it better be! More than 90% percent of the time the Roadster is plugged in and power from an electrical outlet consumed.

    Another way to look at it is that since the Roadster can't use a Supercharger and it is charged at a maximum rate of 17 kW (Wiki article) and 17 kWh gives you about 50 miles of range, if your driving at a speed of 50 mph or higher you require more time to charge than you drive. If the charge rate is different than 17 kWh, adjust the numbers accordingly. Either way, a Roadster speeds a lot of time charging compared to the time it spends driving and the original comment was far from a lie.
    Dec 27, 2014. 05:26 PM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Roadster Upgrade Is A Very Big Deal [View article]
    GreenTECH Analysis writes: " Is that a one line joke or a serious prediction based on analysis? ... yada yada yada ... That's frankly impossible. It would only leave $9500 for the ENTIRE CAR. That wouldn't even cover the aluminum."

    You need to chill out GTA.
    Not too long ago Tesla was going to charge a Roadster owner, with a bricked battery, over $40,000 for a new battery. I realize that that was then and this is now, but this is an actual, if old, data point. More recently, several 85 kWh batteries were going to cost over $40,000 to replace (not counting delivery, installation cost, and taxes); another data point. Add to that the fact that the Roadster replacement battery is probably from a small special batch, it is more likely that its cost is also going to tend to be high rather than low; unless Tesla low balls the cost to attract favorable publicity. You also forgot profit.
    I notice that you (GTA) are only going after the comments that challenge Tesla claims and seem to be very sanguine with some of the ridiculous pro Tesla assertions; such as the Model 3 will only cost $35k-$40k. How about challenging that?
    I'm not at all impressed by you trying to impress us with your simple arithmetic.
    Again, chill out.
    Dec 26, 2014. 06:26 PM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Roadster Upgrade Is A Very Big Deal [View article]
    GreenTECH Analysis writes: ""sbb writes: ""it will be either $35k, or $40k. "
    That's probably the price of the new Roadster battery."

    That's impossible. Is that based on anything tangible or is it a one liner? "

    Which one liner?
    Dec 26, 2014. 04:58 PM | Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Tesla Roadster Upgrade Is A Very Big Deal [View article]
    sbb writes: ""it will be either $35k, or $40k. "

    That's probably the price of the new Roadster battery.
    Dec 26, 2014. 04:46 PM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Why We Think Tesla Has More Downside [View article]
    britsci writes: " No FUNDIMENTALS, but it has got fundamentals... "

    Perhaps it should be FUDamentals ?
    Dec 24, 2014. 11:21 AM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • If You Own A Tesla Model S, Just Don't Dent It! [View article]
    Todd R. Lockwood writes: " The idea that many owners cars were constantly "in the shop" just doesn't square with reality.
    Some of the more common issues during that period included:
    etc., etc., etc. "

    For Todd I count four ranger visits, one service center visit, and an unknown number of software "updates" in the two years since September 2012. Ahh, reliability ...
    Dec 24, 2014. 11:07 AM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • If You Own A Tesla Model S, Just Don't Dent It! [View article]
    Paulo writes: " Truth be said, that reputation about low reliability hurt Jaguar for years on end."

    How true.
    When I was in graduate school I lived at the Graduate College and had a long walk to the Engineering Quad. Occasionally, I would get a lift from a friend with a "very used" Jag XK120 convertible. During the short drive he frequently had to stop at least once along Nassau Street, open the hood, adjust something, and continue.
    This relaibility issue hurt all English cars. The Car Talk guys used to joke about "Lucas, Prince of Darkness" : http://bit.ly/13EEdUw
    Dec 24, 2014. 10:59 AM | 1 Like Like |Link to Comment
  • If You Own A Tesla Model S, Just Don't Dent It! [View article]
    ilmorr writes: " I doubt that the people who can afford Teslas are worried about any of this."

    Ah, but that's the problem.
    Most people of moderate means are aware of the high cost of high end Porsches, AMG Benzs, etc. and wouldn't think of buying one; only dream of it as a goal in life. However, the "new" technology and breakthrough mystique of the Tesla "campaign" has attracted, and Teslas sold to, people who really can't afford these cars; no matter what the Tesla site calculator tells them. Go to the Teslamotors site to see people debating whether to buy a house or a Tesla, or spending twice as much on a Tesla as they have ever paid before. They are not prepared for the staggering cost of repair of high end cars (of any brand), or the increasing insurance costs that are sure to follow.

    This is not a Tesla hate thread, it's a "did you know?" thread.
    Dec 24, 2014. 10:45 AM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • If You Own A Tesla Model S, Just Don't Dent It! [View article]
    portatopia writes:
    " "Obama is a commie?"
    Absolutely "

    Gee, a "pink" "panther" calling someone the "c" word; how ironic, and funny.
    Dec 24, 2014. 08:55 AM | 5 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • If You Own A Tesla Model S, Just Don't Dent It! [View article]
    Marek writes: " ... That's what the Alinsky crowd and their best students the Obama communists do. "

    This outrageous, pathetic, and shameful political smear of Obama and America totally discredits any comment made by Marek and casts a cloud over the useful, reliable and trustful information and opinions provided by Paulo.
    Dec 24, 2014. 08:41 AM | 9 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Do Not Short Tesla Stock [View article]
    Raster writes: " ... Incorrect. First off, it wasn't a recall. Also, if it was a recall, it would not show up in the TrueDelta report. They don't count recalls as repairs. "

    I have no idea what TrueDelta is, what it does, nor do I care. I couldn't care less if you call Tesla's action a repair, recall, advisory, or anything else. I only pointed out that Tesla's design for protecting the battery was insufficient, ineffective, and defective. And the defect in design was apparent to anyone looking at the front of the battery, especially when the suspension lowered the body at high speed.

    " The battery shield is totally optional. It's a free upgrade if you want it. And if you decide to not put it on, it does not alter your warranty one way or the other, even if your battery gets impaled. "
    Any owner who doesn't get the upgrade is an idiot. Who cares about a warrantee if your car is destroyed and life is put in danger. And what about the resale value without the upgrade? Anyone extolling the optional nature of the upgrade is stuck way too deep in the Tesla mystique an will twist and contort in any way necessary to deny what is obvious to everyone.
    Dec 22, 2014. 11:14 PM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Why We Think Tesla Has More Downside [View article]
    TMB wrote "If I was traveling the country in a TSLA, I would be able to extend my trip a couple extra days thank to the free electrons I'd get from the SC"

    TheMtgBanker sure does make lots of trips, travels a lot of miles, and visits many super chargers in the imaginary Model S that he got for about $60,000 in imaginary money.
    Dec 22, 2014. 11:18 AM | 6 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Dissecting Tesla Motors' Competitive Advantages [View article]
    jim19536 writes: " ... Unless you have real evidence, your statement is as credible as those who claim the Apollo 11 Mission never landed on the moon ... "

    How about the 40 kWh Tesla Model S as evidence that there might not be a Model 3? Deposits were taken, delivery promised, yet there was no 40 kWh version. While I believe that there will be a something called a Model 3, it is because THERE HAS TO BE. But the price for a generally acceptable one, including performance, will not be $35K.
    Dec 21, 2014. 11:26 PM | 2 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Do Not Short Tesla Stock [View article]
    future_car_tsla writes: " I wonder if it counted the titanium shield modification as a repair? "

    The titanium shield modification was necessary to correct a defective design.
    Dec 21, 2014. 11:09 PM | 5 Likes Like |Link to Comment
  • Why We Think Tesla Has More Downside [View article]
    JRP3 writes: " Jeeps are pieces of crap, like most Chrysler products. "

    Well, the Jeep is less of a piece of crap than the 40 kWh Tesla Model S.
    Dec 21, 2014. 05:25 PM | 3 Likes Like |Link to Comment
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