Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
"Unfortunately, the zForce patents are not really in play in the smartphone sector because, as the article you linked even explains, they deal with infrared sensors, instead of the dominant capacitive touch technology."
Really? Not in play? Here is the market Neonode believes zForce is for: zForce is currently being integrated into a variety of smart phones, printer products, automotive and in-flight infotainment systems, tablet devices, gaming consoles and toys. For e-readers, zForce is the only viable touch solution that operates on the new revolutionary reflective display panels offering paper-like reading experience in almost any ambient lighting condition.
I read smart phones and tablets. Can you say future iPads and or iPhones?
"Those companies you mentioned (and anyone with a brain in the IP world) base their purchase decisions on practicality and applicability of portfolios, not conjecture and speculation"
Last I checked the stock market was, is and will always be speculation. That said so is buying any technology or pharma patent or patent portfolio speculation. Things evolve and change very rapidly leaving companies with countless volumes of worthless IP. Can you say Palm HP?
Additionally what I said wasn't speculation, it was fact, at least in the HTC case. A judge ruled against Apple, based largely in part because of Neonode.
"I'm sure it will move higher... the market, at large, still does not understand patents."
It has moved higher and that's what makes a market (people profiting and losing from long and short positions)
"The market, at large, still does not understand patents".
I guess neither do judges or lawyers...
Apple has posted approx. $100 Million in bonds and has spent upward of $50 Million in litigation. That is 2/3rds of Neonode's market value. Not much to Apple but I am sure in hind sight Apple could have approached their litigation differently and potentially could have benefited from Neonode
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
I agree with this:
"What the prior art showed was that Apple's patent wasn't valid. It did not show that HTC violated Neonode's patent."
All I'm trying to articulate is that the UK ruling in conjunction with a patent portfolio (inclusive of other patents not discussed here like the zForce http://bit.ly/Px7TKS ) would be attractive to any of the following companies: Google, HTC, Samsung, Apple or Microsoft. The recent events, technology and sky high valuations of IP (Look no further then the purchase of MMI by Google) are clearly catalysts for Neonode to move higher. No, its not an Apple killer, yes it will move higher and has done so already
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
I don't understand,
"Neonode's status as prior art is free for anyone to use and apply toward a patent assertion, as the HTC case aptly demonstrates. The loss does not equate to creating value for Neonode."
They "HTC" used Neonode to defeat Apple in court, correct? If it hadn't existed before then Apple would have won.. thus owning Neonode or licensing their patents may have changed the ruling in this matter which Apple has 3 more similar cases pending that they filed.. The cost of litigation alone, coupled with the bond(s) posted for the injunctions is worth more then Neonodes existing market cap.
And again it is up 15% on significant volume (for Neonode) in less then a week
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
I would like your analogy but I believe it is flawed and does not apply here for but one reason:
"If I designed (and patented) a gas pedal that made the car go faster as the driver pushed it to the floor, and you came along and made pedal that made the car go faster except that it didn't get pushed to the floor but merely responded to the pressure of the driver's foot, and you patented your pedal, I would like to say you stole my idea"
In the case of Apple the movement is the same in the patent. They simply call it "slide" instead of "swipe"
Your illustration is different because your pedal doesn't go to the floor and is solely pressure based, the other is pressure based but uses the floor as a stopping point or limit. (I.e "floor it") You simply did not rename it, you changed it. Apple renamed it
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
I understand you are vehement in your belief, but I respectfully disagree. Ultimately HTC thought enough to introduce Neon's patents into the case as an "absolute defense" and the judge agreed. If you read thee below specific excerpt the judge states: "Apple’s .. argument is that 'a tap is a zero-length swipe.' That’s silly." He was specifically referencing Neonode. In fact in his decision he sites the phone they designed and the patent for their version of swipe, slide or whatever you would like to call it. This is a finding of "fact" see http://bit.ly/MayHde
[Peter Bell, senior associate in the intellectual property team at law firm Stevens & Bolton LLP, said the decision was "a considerable defeat" for Apple in the smartphone patent wars: "Two of Apple's prize patents have been knocked out in the UK, including the patent that protects the 'slide to unlock' mechanism that consumers are likely to associate with Apple's products, and a third patent has been knocked out in part. The fourth patent that was in dispute was held not to be invalid, but not infringed by HTC's devices."]
So a reasonable assumption would be to believe that Neon does has upside potential and significant at that. And if you listen to the market it agrees the stock has moved up 15% since your post (just a few short days ago) and I expect it goes higher.
I am NOT an Apple hater, in fact I own a few thousand shares and regularly trade options on it (currently to the long side) I am just simply stating that in the case of Apple and Neonode there is a reasonable belief that Neonode stands to gain substantial market value if only for perceived nuisance value alone. After all it caused Apple a loss in the Apple V. HTC patent case-
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
New developments as of July 5th surrounding NEON should be added to the conversation:
The below is excerpted from Groklaw and there are numerous articles with the same premise based on this UK Ruling:
A judge in the UK just ruled that HTC doesn't infringe Apple's slide to unlock patent, as there is prior art from the Swedish phone Neonode N1. This is the same stupid patent Judge Posner mocked, I believe ("Apple’s .. argument is that 'a tap is a zero-length swipe.' That’s silly. It’s like saying that a point is a zero-length line."), and it's definitely the same one that just got Apple an injunction for now on the Nexus, BBC News reports.
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Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
Really? Not in play? Here is the market Neonode believes zForce is for: zForce is currently being integrated into a variety of smart phones, printer products, automotive and in-flight infotainment systems, tablet devices, gaming consoles and toys. For e-readers, zForce is the only viable touch solution that operates on the new revolutionary reflective display panels offering paper-like reading experience in almost any ambient lighting condition.
I read smart phones and tablets. Can you say future iPads and or iPhones?
Here is a better link: http://bit.ly/PsWXwq
"Those companies you mentioned (and anyone with a brain in the IP world) base their purchase decisions on practicality and applicability of portfolios, not conjecture and speculation"
Last I checked the stock market was, is and will always be speculation. That said so is buying any technology or pharma patent or patent portfolio speculation. Things evolve and change very rapidly leaving companies with countless volumes of worthless IP. Can you say Palm HP?
Additionally what I said wasn't speculation, it was fact, at least in the HTC case. A judge ruled against Apple, based largely in part because of Neonode.
"I'm sure it will move higher... the market, at large, still does not understand patents."
It has moved higher and that's what makes a market (people profiting and losing from long and short positions)
"The market, at large, still does not understand patents".
I guess neither do judges or lawyers...
Apple has posted approx. $100 Million in bonds and has spent upward of $50 Million in litigation. That is 2/3rds of Neonode's market value. Not much to Apple but I am sure in hind sight Apple could have approached their litigation differently and potentially could have benefited from Neonode
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
"What the prior art showed was that Apple's patent wasn't valid. It did not show that HTC violated Neonode's patent."
All I'm trying to articulate is that the UK ruling in conjunction with a patent portfolio (inclusive of other patents not discussed here like the zForce http://bit.ly/Px7TKS ) would be attractive to any of the following companies: Google, HTC, Samsung, Apple or Microsoft.
The recent events, technology and sky high valuations of IP (Look no further then the purchase of MMI by Google) are clearly catalysts for Neonode to move higher. No, its not an Apple killer, yes it will move higher and has done so already
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
"Neonode's status as prior art is free for anyone to use and apply toward a patent assertion, as the HTC case aptly demonstrates. The loss does not equate to creating value for Neonode."
They "HTC" used Neonode to defeat Apple in court, correct? If it hadn't existed before then Apple would have won.. thus owning Neonode or licensing their patents may have changed the ruling in this matter which Apple has 3 more similar cases pending that they filed.. The cost of litigation alone, coupled with the bond(s) posted for the injunctions is worth more then Neonodes existing market cap.
And again it is up 15% on significant volume (for Neonode) in less then a week
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
"If I designed (and patented) a gas pedal that made the car go faster as the driver pushed it to the floor, and you came along and made pedal that made the car go faster except that it didn't get pushed to the floor but merely responded to the pressure of the driver's foot, and you patented your pedal, I would like to say you stole my idea"
In the case of Apple the movement is the same in the patent. They simply call it "slide" instead of "swipe"
Your illustration is different because your pedal doesn't go to the floor and is solely pressure based, the other is pressure based but uses the floor as a stopping point or limit. (I.e "floor it")
You simply did not rename it, you changed it. Apple renamed it
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
"Apple’s .. argument is that 'a tap is a zero-length swipe.' That’s silly."
He was specifically referencing Neonode. In fact in his decision he sites the phone they designed and the patent for their version of swipe, slide or whatever you would like to call it. This is a finding of "fact" see http://bit.ly/MayHde
[Peter Bell, senior associate in the intellectual property team at law firm Stevens & Bolton LLP, said the decision was "a considerable defeat" for Apple in the smartphone patent wars: "Two of Apple's prize patents have been knocked out in the UK, including the patent that protects the 'slide to unlock' mechanism that consumers are likely to associate with Apple's products, and a third patent has been knocked out in part. The fourth patent that was in dispute was held not to be invalid, but not infringed by HTC's devices."]
So a reasonable assumption would be to believe that Neon does has upside potential and significant at that. And if you listen to the market it agrees the stock has moved up 15% since your post (just a few short days ago) and I expect it goes higher.
I am NOT an Apple hater, in fact I own a few thousand shares and regularly trade options on it (currently to the long side) I am just simply stating that in the case of Apple and Neonode there is a reasonable belief that Neonode stands to gain substantial market value if only for perceived nuisance value alone. After all it caused Apple a loss in the Apple V. HTC patent case-
Too Early To Dub Neonode The 'Apple-Killer' [View article]
The below is excerpted from Groklaw and there are numerous articles with the same premise based on this UK Ruling:
A judge in the UK just ruled that HTC doesn't infringe Apple's slide to unlock patent, as there is prior art from the Swedish phone Neonode N1. This is the same stupid patent Judge Posner mocked, I believe ("Apple’s .. argument is that 'a tap is a zero-length swipe.' That’s silly. It’s like saying that a point is a zero-length line."), and it's definitely the same one that just got Apple an injunction for now on the Nexus, BBC News reports.
Also here is another article:
http://bit.ly/LUgtQz
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