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Advanced Micro Devices: Will Somebody Please Stage an Intervention?

Not only can they not agree to fix prices, they cannot agree to limit their capacity, which would have the same effect. However, no law prevents them from separately limiting their capacity to the level that is appropriate given demand.

Advanced Micro Devices: Will Somebody Please Stage an Intervention?

It is more likely Intel and AMD that will be burning the inventory of older chips. They usually have price protection and obsolescence agreements built in to their supply contracts. And whether the solution being created is new or old there are a finite number of PCs for them to go into. You can put an old one in or a new one in, but they are essentially interchangeable. It is how many chips that can be made, not how new they are, that is the issue.

AMD and Intel should continue to innovate and produce chips, but they should do so only at the rate that customers demand them. Both companies are producing more chips to "gain share." They can't both gain share, but if they keep trying they can both lose profit, as they have been doing. And as to having more to lose, Intel can also afford to lose more - it can cut its profit until AMD is actually losing money and forced to throw in the towel - that is the game of chicken that is being played right now, and it is stupid and destructive for both companies.

Advanced Micro Devices: Will Somebody Please Stage an Intervention?

AMD is not short of customers now. They are long capacity. They will continue to innovate and produce more chips, as will Intel and all the other chipmakers. The problem is, the new chips will simply crowd out old chips - leaving more of them and resulting in further price cuts. Until new equipment orders slow down to a pace below that of end-sales for semiconductors this will not change even if AMD invents the most marvelous semiconductor of all time. It is a simple function of supply being greater than demand.

As to Vista, if its impact is underestimated, why is the rate of sales growth slowing down for both Ingram Micro (the biggest PC distributor) and Hewlett Packard (the biggest PC manufacturer?) If anything, it seems that Vista was overestimated.

So Again, Why is Intel Cutting Prices Without Serious Competition From AMD? Beats Us

Angelo - thanks for commenting!

I haven't looked into that. My guess is that their sights are set more on AMD, but who knows?

Even Without Competition From AMD, Intel Cuts Quad-Core Prices

Michel,

Thanks for the comment. Having two quad-core (or any number of core) processors isn't especially new. When Intel first announced their quad-core plans they showed it off on a system running two of them. My understanding is that it is trickier to design multiple cores on a processor than to run multiple processors on a system.

Trent

Intel's Continuing Folly: Capacity Expansion That's Too Fast For its Own Good

Jack,

It is fair enough to argue that Intel doesn't want to lose further share. However, <i>somebody</... is making too many processors and needs to stop. The auto makers bought the share loss argument for too long, and produced vehicles sold into fleets at little profit in order to avoid share loss. The same will happen in semiconductors unless supply and demand return to balance.

So Intel and AMD have a couple of options:
1) they can each produce an amount higher than end demand, hoping that the excess production gives them excess market share. If both companies continue to follow this strategy there will be little or no share shift, only excess supply (and lower prices) plaguing both of them.
2) only one can produce a higher amount than end demand, and gain share. Neither will allow the other to do this.
3) they can both reduce capacity growth to the level of end demand, in which case both can maintain their share and profitability. There could easily be fluctuations cack and forth as one or the other develops a superior generation of chips according to one metric or another.

It is a simple mathematical identity that <i>both</i>... companies cannot gain market share. Right now they are playing a game of chicken to see which one backs off first. While the consequences of being the one to chicken out may be embarassment and a small loss of market share, the consequences of neither chickening out are far worse.

Intel's Continuing Folly: Capacity Expansion That's Too Fast For its Own Good

The first link in the post helps describe the problem. Orders for semiconductor manufacturing equipment have been rising by 70% year/year, while end demand for semiconductors is in the high single digits. (Even this is above the 10-year average of 5.8%.)

If you wonder whether the industry is flooded, simply take a look at the inventory balances for Intel, AMD and their channel partners. The rapidly growing inventories tell you there are already too many chips. The 70% growth in semi equipment orders means there are going to be lots and lots more chips made in the very near future.

So there is the problem (which I have detailed extensively for months and was simply sparing those readers who have seen it before.) I also already gave the solution, which is to make fewer chips.

Intel's Continuing Folly: Capacity Expansion That's Too Fast For its Own Good

The negativity stems from the fact that adding capacity when there is an inventory glut is a stupid thing to do. I'm not so much interested in whether they advance technology as whether they can earn an adequate return on capital doing so. If the advanced astrophysics and environmental applications are willing to soak up the excess capacity then by all means I am for it. But since they aren't I think Intel should stop making so damn many processors.

Semi Industry Continues to Underestimate Supply/Demand Imbalance

Good point. Furthermore, I am comparing it to North American <i>orders.</i... As such, there are two reasons to doubt the validity of the comparison. Here is my rationale:

1) I use orders for semiconductor equipment rather than sales because I believe the market looks ahead, and orders are a good indicator for future sales (until they start getting canceled.)
2) I use North American orders for two reasons: first, they are provided on a more timely basis (1 month ahead of the global data provided by the SEAJ); second, they are easier (for me, at least) to access.

Using North American data involves an implicit assumption that North American semi equipment makers will approximately maintain their market share. Though this may or may not hold it can be validated on a delayed basis through the SEAJ global report. actually shows that global orders are up 90% (i.e. US manufacturers are losing share) and the situation is therefore worse than I originally painted it. I didn't even bother mentioning this in a post because I figured the way it was painted was bad enough already.