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The funny thing is, that Socialism Can't Compete probably doesn't consider himself an extremist, yet people like him have no problem branding the entire world scientific community as in some vast dark conspiracy to bring about world socialism. Get real.

They'll trot out their lists of hundreds or thousands of skeptical scientists, (which lists are all phony, every one of them), thinking this is evidence of a lack of consensus on climate change.
It might help if they went to the websites of actual climate scientists like realclimate, skepticalscience,logic... science, grist,climate progress etc. The only reason they ever go to these sites is to repeat arguments, in the comments section, that have long been disproven, some as long as 20 years ago. But they repeat this drivel endlessly. Some still cling to some wacko theory that the whole greenhouse effect is wrong because of a law of thermodynamics, even though real scientists have pointed out endlessly that this is a wrong application of that law.
Many of the deniers are just blinded by their ideology and are largely beyond hope.

Next he'll tell us about the Oregon Petition with it's supposed 19,000 skeptic scientists. It was a hoax perpetrated by a group in Oregon that contains ZERO climate scientists. They basically forged National Academy of Science stationary to make it seem it was a document from NAS that fooled some scienitsts into signing.
Their founder believes that the industrial revolution has brought increased biodiverstiy to earth and the more CO2 we pump into the atmoshphere, the more lush and eden like earth will become.
OK right.

www.sourcewatch.org/in...

Here's Sen Inhofe's list of 413 "prominent scientists" who disagree with the IPCC.
20 economists
44 television weathermen
70 scientists with no expertise in climate study
84 scientists who are either connected with the oil industry or are paid by it.
Scientists who were included against their will, and who agree with the IPCC

Inhofe and Morano misinterpreted a paper published in Geophysical Research Letters.
They claimed that it showed proof that the sun was responsible for the warming that's been observed in the last 100 years. The paper they quote says exactly the opposite from what they claim. This has been verified by the author of the paper.

climateprogress.org/20...

There have been several instances of deniers misusing or using out of context the words of climate scientists to make it seem they are disagreeing with the IPCC.

Heartland Institute, a leading oil funded denier propaganda mill, issued their list of skeptical scientists in Texas. There are dozens if not hundreds of climate scientists in Texas. Are you ready? Here's the list.
Robert Bradley, energy expert.
H.Sterling Burnett, policy analyst
Dr. John Dale Dunn, emergency physician
Michael Economides, petroleum engineer

NOT ONE CLIMATE SCIENTIST

These are not isolated cases. All their lists and their gatherings of skeptics which are advertised as scientific conferences(which they are not) are like this. It's all complete BS
These conferences are the ones where they basically offer bribes to give speeches ($1,000) or write papers ($10,000) denying man made global warming, all paid for by the oil and coal industries.
These are all expense paid propaganda events and nothing more.

And this is what they hang their hat on as proof against the overwhelming body of evidence and overwhelming scientific consensus.

They offer up these totally implausible conspiracy theories about the world scientific community scamming us or hoaxing us to raise taxes, create a one world socialist govt., take away your SUV, make you buy green products, and on and on. And then they call the scientists alarmists.
Is the dumbing down of America ever going to stop? I sure hope so.

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The comments about footing the bill are misleading.
The Google plan shows an overall economic gain .

Another study showed a slight loss in GDP. The equivalant of reaching $23 trillion GDP in April rather than in January, of some year in the 2020s.

It's ok to give $40 billion a year to oil companies though, right?
That's a conservative estimate. One estimate is $84 billion/year.
Coal gets $3 billion a year.
nuclear is subsidised at 4-8Cents /kWh

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Perhaps you've seen this story about a solar grand plan for the U.S.
www.sciam.com/article....

It's encouraging, but I think we can do even better. It speaks of investing $400 billion over 20 years or so to develop concentrating solar, both PV and thermal, in our southwest, and building a new DC distribution network.
Given the amount of money now subsidizing oil and other fossil fuels, a dramatic change in these policies could finance such projects even faster than projected in the article.
If I'm not mistaken, we are now subsidizing the fossil fuel industries at about $80 billion a year. That's $400 billion in five years. Or at $50 billion a year, you're looking at 8 years. We could scale up these solar and grid projects faster than the 40 years described in the article referred to above. It really is about our mindset as much as anything else. We can do anything if we change our thinking. After 40 years or so of us environmentalists warning that the earth is in critical condition, which is now confirmed by the majority of the world's scientists, many Americans still percieve environmentalists as misguided wierdos. Even without global warming, the statement is true that earth is in critical condition.
The fact that the Republicans were able to strip the alt energy tax credits from the recent energy bill, and the proposals to take $21 billion in tax credits from the highly profitable oil industry, to be applied to alternative energy, speaks volumes about how far we have to go in changing our thinking. Vote for the earth this year. It's the environment stupid! What could possibly be as important?
The difference in importance approaches infinity. I say this because, compared with whether the earth will be able to support life in the coming centuries is infinitely more important than any other issue. Will we continue to be distracted into believing that other issues are even worth mentioning in comparison? The thinking currently goes something like this. "Sure we can save the environment, as long as it doesn't cost too much." That is considered sane reasonable thinking among many of us. And those self interests who promote such thinking will continue to try and frighten the populace into rejecting any progressive ideas for fear of their pocketbook. I believe that alternative energy offers one of the best oppurtunities for envigorating our enonomy. It's about the future, and the future isn't oil.

The situation in China and India means that we in the developed world have to do that much more to offset this increased demand for oil. The new mantra of the anti environmentalists is that China is now the culprit in global warming; so why should the U.S. change it's ways? This of course is pretzel logic and dishonest. It is the west that has been filling the atmosphere with greenhouse gases for 150 years and that is largely reponsible for the current CO2 levels.
And we have 1 quarter of China's population in the U.S., which means we are four times as dirty per capita.
And being the leading country in the world, according to our own assesment, shouldn't we be the ones setting an example? We can cut back on our oil use in many ways, one of which is by switching to bioplastics, ala Metabolix and others. We use 10% of our oil to make plastics. And these plastics are a huge pollution problem. This is a better use of biomass than ethanol. And we can switch from tree based paper making to hemp based paper, which is more sustainable and could save us from destroying the great boreal forests of Canada, as well as our own forests. I know, that's not directly related to oil use but is also of great importance to the oxygon/CO2 balance. And trees are vital to the earth's health in many more ways.