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Bill Miller's Value Trust Fund Runs Into a Tough Market
Occasionally there are time when one should pay attention to where the market is actually going and the message that it is giving you. This is one of those times and cash is the place to be. One of these days, it will be opportunity time. But that day is a long way off; perhaps several years from now. In the meanwhile, you'll enjoy life, forget about CNBC and obsessing over your portfolio and get some goood sound sleep. Try it, you'll like it.
Economic Outlook: Cut Out the Noise
Ain't gonna happen and deflation (that's right) is coming. The metals and commodities are the last bubble of the recent lifetime bubbles of tech stocks in the late 90's and real estate from 02-07. There is nothing left but a few little "green" bubbles for the masses to suck on.
Consider that it is over. The life of leisure and the digital age are at an end for a few years.
Retirements on Hold
The social mood of the country (and most of the rest of the world) changed in mid-2007. The positive psychology that had existed for many years led individuals, corporations and governments to willingly take on more and more debt (called "credit" by most). As long as borrowers were optimistic, lenders were too and lent more and more dollars. All is fine as long as asset values and incomes are rising and the mode is expansionistic. Interestingly, inflation was low as the global marketplace expanded and foreigners were satified to place their increasing horde of dollars in our debt markets. Something had to be done with this river of cash flow, and the only asset that could be sufficiently levered up to absorb it was the US housing market, which is the largest single asset value in the world.
4 million excess housing units were built, and most were sold, many to real estate "investors and speculators". Many of those who didn't buy the ever more expensive and far too large housing units extracted the maximum equity from their own homes. Now this has all come to an end and the owners and borrowers are facing reality. Most banks have as much of as 50% of their assets in real estate loans, with the collateral for those loans going down roughly 2% per month. Most of these loans are now under water and the borrowers are having difficulty making their payments as other living costs for fuel, food, insurance, property taxes, repairs, etc. continue to increase.
Americans are stretched like a rubber band. It has started to break and the country is drowning in a sea of mortgage debt, credit card debt, automobile debt, etc. This is being reflected in bankruptcies and foreclosures and is naturally spreading to bank failures. The federal government cannot put its finger in all the dikes and most will be allowed to fail, except for a few such as FAN and FRED and the large NY banks and brokerages.
We are facing a 4-6 year downtrend in the markets and in the economy. There is a probability that the stock market will decline to the level that it was in 1974, or below 500. While this seems impossible for all those who have experienced the past 25+ years of a generally uptrending market, it can happen. Cash has been the best performer since 2000.
Face reality. Its not going back to the old highs. Stay away and be very afraid of the stock market if you do not know how to short it.
Options Trader: Tuesday Outlook
Right on Art. He is the only CNBC commentator who actually is connected to the floor and who knows what is going on. Hate to say it, but Art is the only floor commentator who I have ever heard use the term "Fibonacci". This is the real clue to his understanding of the markets.
Since Dennis Kneale and the other bimbos know nothing but screaming the latest oil price, housing number and Fed announcement, you can count on them to be out to lunch.
Kneale actually rolled his eyes a couple of days ago when Art mentioned our old pal Fibonacci again. Of course, the market only trades on earnings.
Gasparino is worth watching just for the behind-the-scenes rumor entertainment.
News Flash: Forecasting Ain't Perfect
The stock market is a "weathervane"... of the collective social mood of millions of investors, which reflect what they see and feel going on around them. If it was a "weathevane" of the economy or of corporate profits, it would merely just flatline until profit announcements come out, make the necessary few cents adjustment, and then go back to hibernation until the next quarter.
Markets trade on the second or third derivative of what most investors think other investors are going to do about the latest "news", such as oil prices, write-downs, or especially the potential arrival of the next round of multi-billion $ Fed delivery.
CAR Median Home Prices Down Sharply; Expecting Another Wave Lower
Nothing is "impossible"... What makes you think so? Its not just the vacancy rate. Commercial lease renewals, especialy anchored centers, are being negotiated down (lower rates, 3 years instead of 5, much higher thresholds before percentage rents begin, etc.).
Look at the bankuptcies going on all around you (Bennigans, Steak and Ale, Mervyns, etc.) There is a slow implosion and the job losses are going up. Where are all of those GM/Ford/Chrysler salesmen, mortgage brokers, real estate agents, bartenders, waitresses, cooks, and others who depend on people driving/commuting at $4.00 gasoline going to find work? Maybe watering plants at the repossesed homes or washing repossessed SUV's.
The great financial unwinding is just beginning. How may "lifestyle" centers do we need, for cripes sake, and just what kind of "lifestyle" is it that everybody is striving to achieve these days?
Get real.
Making Profits Through Understanding Market Psychology
In other words, up until 2000 stock investing worked just fine as a way to create long-term value. Real estate did too up until last summer. The point is that it has been a generally declining inflationary environment and a credit-induced asset-bubble based marketplace. Almost any asset and diversification strategy does well then.
Things changed last fall, and everyone knows it. The credit boom is over and individuals, businesses, banks and investors are de-leveraging. The only one levering up are governments as they create credit out of thin air to try and stop the deflation and potential depression that is coming. They can't, because they can't force people to borrow, invest, hire and increase incomes.
The Dow is down over 70% on a gold/commodity adjusted basis since March 2000. When the market and the economy catches up to the fact that the high-wire act is over, we may see the Dow priced in 3 digits, not 5 by 2016.
The Dead Cat Returns to Earth
Since the late 60's what have we had? Social unrest, political scandal, a lost war in Vietnam, the rise of terrorism and intolerance around the globe. We became a nation of "servicers", pushing paper and real estate in the era of digitization and ease. Where a family of 4 could live comfortably in a 2,000 sq ft home, now childless couples demand 5,000 sq ft for their primary residence, three cars, boats, a "place at the beach" on and on ad nauseum.
It was all built not on hard work and sacrifice, but on a mountain of credit at the personal and governmental level (FAN and FRED). Literally Trillions of dollars of paper that were sliced and diced and handed out all over the world to "reduce risk". Well, that debt requires something: cash flow and debt service. The holders of that debt want to be paid both interest and principal. They do not want the underlying homes that nobody can afford to pay for, insure, furnish, pay taxes on and commute 2 hrs per day at $4.00 a gallon in their Hummers and other SUV's.
Just when housing had a chance to become affordable again due to 50% discounts, the Treasury steps in a says "no, we got to put a stop to that". Can't have the marketplace setting prices!
We are in the process of turning the clock back to an earlier era. Not 1929, but 1974. That is the Dow at the 4th wave of lesser degree. Unbelieveable, but it will be DOW 400 by 2016.
If not, give me your case for the DOW returning to new highs with the credit engine out of gas.
The Lost Decade: S&P Annual Return Just 2.5% Since 1998
With respect to income taxes, you pay based on your nominal income, not your inflation-adjusted income. The masses and the Democrats are interested only in your nominal income, and your capital losses in this market are not going to do you any good. All investors will be taxed at the highest possible marginal rates and I expect that Obama will somehow figure out how to extend the SS tax to dividends, interest, and cap gains.
How else can they pay for the coming $1 trillion housing bailout?
Setting a New High Mark for the Next Housing Bubble
Ignore the Press: Hedge Funds Still a Viable Investment
Bitch all you want and question anyone's motives, but hedge funds, mutual funds, banks, Fannie and Freddie and all the rest of the giant sucking sound of finance is not going away. They all serve the purpose of passing risk around to one another until the music stops.
Of course, the music never stops in Congress, which is busy passing all of it along to the US taxpayer, who is the risk-receiver of last resort.
Poor dumb Joe six-pack hasn't got a clue as to why gas is $4.00 to fire up that monster pick-up, the bass boat, the motorcycle, the snowmobile, etc. or why his 401-k is bleeding dollars.
Financials: How - And When - We Reached the Bottom
Let me add one more up-to-date quote to your wonderful list.
"This is far and away the strongest golbal economy I've seen in my business lifetime".
-Our esteemed Treasury Secretary Paulson, Fortune Magazine, July 12, 2007
(This couldn't have been much closer to the top and he neglected to mention the mountain of unservicable debt the "global economy" had been built on over the past decade)
Options Trader: Monday Outlook
Hmmm. In looking at the chart of C, I notice that it took just about a year to go from 50 to 17. Has anyone ever heard of a stop-loss order? No, I guess they were out on the golf course with their $2 Nassau, just before stopping by the mail box to collect their C dividend checks.
Get real. Are the advisors and owners of those retirement portfolios you speak of so incredibly stupid that they have not heard the "rumor" that Citi has been in deep shit since the light of day was shed on their sludge that masquerades as a balance sheet?
First, there was smoke; then there was fire. Finally, there was meltdown. Better get out now while you've got a few naked shorts that have to buy.
The Butterfly Effect and the Uptick Rule
Who's to Blame for the Current Economic Situation?
The coming move is extreme asset deflation, bank failures and governmental intervention in ways never before seen. As usual it will be done by cranking up the printing presses and firing up the helicopter.