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nakedjaybird
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The T. Boone Pickens Approach
It's just a matter of emphasis, committment, LEADERSHIP, and us resourceful Americans (with wisdom, correct vision, mission, resources, etc., - the standard mantra properly focused).
Just like France (83% nuc); Switzerland (electrified rails); Brazil (50% biofuel vehicles); Germany (40% solar), etc.....LEADERSHIP!
Or, the other kind of leadership: USA (90% hydrocarbons with 70% of that wasted.....DUH!!)
ONE THING IS FOR CERTAIN: IF WE DON'T START WE WON'T GET THERE;
ONE OTHER THING: IF WE DON'T DO IT LIKE A MANHATTAN PROJECT OR MOON SHOT WE WON'T GET THERE SOONER (which may be right on time)!
ONE MORE THING: ANOTHER 70'S OIL EMBARGO MAY BE MORE EFFECTIVE TODAY.
We have barely begun to focus on effective, efficient storage, from hydro to giant capacitors, flywheels, and other non-change-of-state high effeciency recovery methods.
I'd be more than pleased with a 100% target and get to 90% in 10-20 years, leaving the final 10% for years 20 to 30, IF NECESSARY. I believe the conversion speed would mushroom long before it peters out - hence we arrive earlier but not necessarily complete: it's not like not reaching shore, it's like having only 90 pecent converted.
We have to invert Prato's law and get 80% of it done in 20% of the time. That's the mission. Rather that 20% done in 80% of the time.
Again: only 6 Quads of useful energy goes to Trnsportation. We already generate 12 Quads annually of electricity. So beef up the power generation 50% - that's nothing new nor impossible (Boone wants to do a good portion of that with his wind). Just have to do more of it for replacing the NG and coal.
As for transmission and distributtion - we know how to do that.
Timing issues and load sharing - we can handle those required improvements too. I'm not convinced we have really studied the total electric scenerio from NON-HYDROCARBON generation to final ELECTRIFIED USE including all storage rquirements east to west, north to south. [AND I'M NOT SO SURE THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE STUDYING IT - I'M FOR BOONE'S APPROACH AT THIS POINT IN TIME - PLACE YOUR BET; EAT A CHUNK OF THIS ELEPHANT (AND I GUARANTEE YOU, HE HAS STUDIED IT ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IT IS A WORTHWHILE BET SINCE IT'S HIS MONEY [AND SOME OTHER FOLKS] - SO IT'S PROBABLY STUDIED EEEENNNOOOOUUUUGGGGHHH...
Nor have we addressed all the possibilities for efficent conversion to electricity via effective recovery of waste heat in biofuel burning hybrids.
Again, remember, we only use 6 Quads of useful energy in ALL transportation. We already annually generate 12 Quads of useful electric energy. There are many ways to skin this cat. Let's get on with it.
Any KWH we generate from solar or wind etc., is worth 3x or more than from any hydrocarbon be it coal, NG, crude, oil shale, tar sands, etc.
The conversion to electricity could be effective at $60 crude and $3 gasoline. There are only a few reasons we are at $130 crude and $5 gasoline, and they are not the economic and technical feasibility or the free, forever available alternatives, nor the practicality nor effectiveness of those alternatives: wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, hydro, nuclear generation use of electricty; and biofuels. It lies elsewhere, including may the fear of the above.
Yes, we have some work to do and some scientific improvements are required. Needing them will help make them happen.
The T. Boone Pickens Approach
The T. Boone Pickens Approach
The T. Boone Pickens Approach
Jul 25 12:14 PM
It's obvious from the comments that many of you need to come to an understanding of this chart:
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Then, it should become more clear to you that Boon'es plus other's wind (and solar, nuclear, hydro...) should replace not only the natural gas in electric power generation (22% for primarily peak generation at 70% waste energy), but also the coal (50% of our power generated also at 70% waste); leave those hydrocarbons in the ground and use the free and forever readily available energy. That's the power gen side.
On the Transportation side, Boone should not only leave his NG in the ground instead of powering cars (again at 70% waste heat), but we should go fully electric to replace the actual useful work (6 Quads our of 40 Quads) in all that crude with 6 Quads of electric; a 50% increase from the 12 Quads of electric we currently produce and distribute around the USA.
So go ELECTRIC in Transportation: railroads, interstates, beltways with steel wheeled rails, EV's and hybrids with biofuels and leave all the hydrocarbons in the ground.
Don't you get it folks? Seventy percent (70%) of all the hydrocarbons we burn is WASTE!!!! Duh!!!!
'Pickens Plan' Comes in the Nick of Time
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Then, it should become more clear to you that Boon'es plus other's wind (and solar, nuclear, hydro...) should replace not only the natural gas in electric power generation (22% for primarily peak generation at 70% waste energy), but also the coal (50% of our power generated also at 70% waste); leave those hydrocarbons in the ground and use the free and forever readily available energy. That's the power gen side.
On the Transportation side, Boone should not only leave his NG in the ground instead of powering cars (again at 70% waste heat), but we should go fully electric to replace the actual useful work (6 Quads our of 40 Quads) in all that crude with 6 Quads of electric; a 50% increase from the 12 Quads of electric we currently produce and distribute around the USA.
So go ELECTRIC in Transportation: railroads, interstates, beltways with steel wheeled rails, EV's and hybrids with biofuels and leave all the hydrocarbons in the ground.
Don't you get it folks? Seventy percent (70%) of all the hydrocarbons we burn is WASTE!!!! Duh!!!!
That means in simple terms, we need to only produce 30% of useful electric energy "for free" to replace 100% of all the stuff we burn. DUH!!!
The T. Boone Pickens Approach
Offshore Drilling Isn't the Answer - Supply and Demand Is
Solar, wind, tidal have not been the first choice; China and many developoing countries has learned what pollution does and that there are now alternatives. They will switch just as Europe, Brazil, Switzerland, Germany, Spain, Holland when "foothold" power defeated - just as what the US is fighting right now in big oil, coal, etc. Alternatives have a difficult row to hoe. Just as defeating unions required elimination of mfg, outsourcing, etc. The energy transition will be slow but sure here and worldwide. Guess we just get to watch, should we live that long.
Do you think hydro would have ever made it in the US if it was strickly based on private business push and cost/benefit analysis?
Offshore Drilling Isn't the Answer - Supply and Demand Is
Where were they and/or what happened to all the objectors to oil rigs during the last 100 years (while farmers throughout the Nation huggged and blessed their windmills)?
Offshore Drilling Isn't the Answer - Supply and Demand Is
We must address our consumption with more than mileage targets, clean air reasons, etc, and Al Gore tribe global warming noise. Deliberate conversion from crude to many free "somethings else" in parallel, like a house afire. Again, we are a very resourceful people under wise leadership.
Hey, according to this mornings paper even Al Gore agrees with 1/2 of my argument (no hydrocarbons for POWER GENERATION; now if we can convince folks of no hydrocarbons for TRANSPORTATION). So, now we're getting somewhere; well the Democrats are. Goodness! If the drill, drill, drill Republicans are not careful this election will go to the Dems. And they (the Republicans deserve it -and I am one; well, have been one!).
Offshore Drilling Isn't the Answer - Supply and Demand Is
Whereas, if crude-based TRANSPORTAION were electrifed, requiring even fewer than those 7 Quads of useful enengy for the same work, and those < 7 Quads were supplied from "forever available on the surface" solar, wind, tidal, etc., at current conversion efficiencies which are pure gain, we would need only to add to the 12 Quads of electricity we already generate, transmit and distribute from source to end user.
We know how to electrify and find wind, sand and water to do solar, wind and tidal, etc.
We should strive much more to put solar and wind into place than to ever explore and drill or mine coal, oil, or gas, etc.; it would be simpler and easier, including the electrification of TRANSPORTATION, starting with the diesel-electric rails, and the others to be built, etc.......
Offshore Drilling Isn't the Answer - Supply and Demand Is
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