nakedjaybird

Alternative Energy Storage Stocks: Review and Outlook

john = re. Toshiba's battery. Nothing strange about fast charge rates (2C) for significant portions of a recharge; especially up to the 80% charged region which is when inefficencies cause more substantial heating and gassing. Fourty years ago we were recirulating and cooling the electrolyte to achieve fast recharges for 20 kwhr batteries.

Alternative Energy Storage Stocks: Review and Outlook

John - I don't recall you ever mentioning Toshibas battery:

www3.toshiba.co.jp/sic...

Alternative Energy Storage Stocks: Review and Outlook

John - I have not heard you talk about Toshiba's battery:

www3.toshiba.co.jp/sic...

Cleantech: The Sixth Industrial Revolution

John, help me out. What were the first 5 Industrial Revoluutions?

Alternative Energy Storage: It's All About Price vs. Performance

John- We must not lose sight of this chart - it is the one from which our energy policy should be developed.

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Alternative Energy Storage: It's All About Price vs. Performance

John - AEI should practice what you preach "you are going to tell us what IS, not what MIGHT BE". I believe their presentation is very indicative of the handle our Government has on the energy issue (sources and uses both - and everything inbetween and after!). NOT GOOD!

Alternative Energy Storage: It's All About Price vs. Performance

John - I reviewed the whole presentation; I do believe the "Gaseous" components are indeed shown and visible for 2007 and 2015 as small as they are; and, my guess is, they are also included in the other years but are too small to be visible. Makes one wonder. However, their assumptions must say that "Gaseous" driven vehilces are going to be few - and they go on to prove it (predictably).

I have greater issues with their charts, specifically #11, which shows just WIND generated electrical power in 2030 being greater than all electrical generation of 2007 (>100 quads).

What's more troubling, they show all electrical generation at >400 quads in 2030, 4x today, and still show now reductions in all liquid fuel consumption: hence, no reduction in "burning" as we switch to the electric economy. Something smells.

Alternative Energy Storage: It's All About Price vs. Performance

PS: John - unless it's in their definition of "Light-Duty" - which is possible, as most of those applications will likely be fleet service and not in the hands of the conumer.

(along with pressurized/compressed... was liquified/synthetics, etc.).

Alternative Energy Storage: It's All About Price vs. Performance

John - it's possible (I'm assuming) that 'Gaseous" includes pressurized/compressed... etc., gases be they propanes, methanes, hydrogen, etc. I doubt (hopefully) this astute crowd preparing the chart would overlook such.

Alternative Energy Storage Needs to Take Baby Steps Before It Can Run

John - pleased to hear that I'm preaching to the choir, but is that really the same audience you preach to??

Actually, something seldom, if ever, mentioned in these same discussions, is the FACT that for the past 40 years what we have been doing is raising the standard of living in many nations by buying their crude (and other products) while we continue our addiction to crude (and consumption).

That's one of the "good" things we've paid for while not doing anything significant about our crude addiction, and a "sacrifice" that Houston made in addition to not building any new refining capacity and drilling (which was also on purpose, and rightfully so, regardless of putting all the blame on regulators).

So, first, we HAVE BEEN been raising the standard of living around the world for years (and not just thru handouts which generally don't get to the ultimate target).

Secondly, we have not destroyed our standard of living yet, but we certainly have some flawed policies and practices that bring us closer to the sickening and destructive class structure of many nations we are helping (and some we are not helping).

Alternative Energy Storage Needs to Take Baby Steps Before It Can Run

PS - John: if you take a look, we just removed about a $2/gal gas tax for all Americans.

So what would we rather do? Give our money to foreign oil gurus, or deveop better methods without needing crude?

We just showed everyone in the US that we still are willing to consume about the same amount of crude at $140/barrrel as $40/barrel - except for a slight hint that the natives were being stirred. And in their restlessness were starting to demand that some changes be made. In fact, it may have been part and parcel to the election of a diffenent kind of president.

History may prove that a different politician may have been what the people needed and wanted for many years.

So, let's impose that gas tax now and keep the momentum going for getting off of crude- for good.

Alternative Energy Storage Needs to Take Baby Steps Before It Can Run

And John - regarding gas taxes as you replied to Chris - they work. Europe is the proof. The US Politician is gutless - not a leader - sold out.

But if we are going to change - someone has to bite the bullet and take the heat. That's what being in the kitchen is about. Come on housewives....show our leadership what balls are all about. Be a European dictator - make some changes. Tell Detroit and Houston to go to .....

Alternative Energy Storage Needs to Take Baby Steps Before It Can Run

John - what's not folly is the 500 million have already provided the 6 billion with dirty coal generation of electricity, oil and gas waste-burning methods, messy means of producing products the dirty, wasteful, polluting ways - and of course Capitalistic Greed.

Believe me, the bikes and scooters will be tossed aside (as quickly as they learn greedy americano techniques and fads as we've seen in other consumer areas of clothes and food). That will be as soon as there are roads and vehicles and planes so they can live like the Americans. Unless, someone teaches them differently. And we will fail at that, because we can't walk the talk.

Alternative Energy Storage Needs to Take Baby Steps Before It Can Run

Amen John - and you know what?; it may be easier providing and guiding the 6 Billon in the right direction than changing the 500 million.

On the other hand, If we are not careful, we will take the 6 Billion down the same red brick road we've gone down (because the tools, means, and greed are already in place!).

Alternative Energy Storage Needs to Take Baby Steps Before It Can Run

Jphn - almost your own words "Pure EV's.....are successful ......if you use the cheapest battery possible...." LIKE EUROPE!

What's wrong with that?? Add a gas tax and go EV, electified raisl, etc. GOALS: MINIMUM CRUDE!! MOST COST EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION!!! LESS SELFISH PEOPLE!!! LESS GREEDY WHATEVERS.....!!!